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Posted on 4/6/16 at 2:07 pm to 14&Counting
Posted on 4/6/16 at 2:07 pm to 14&Counting
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Forget about the Bible and all this religious stuff.
This law boils down to fact that the State wants to allow business owners to make subjective discriminatory decisions on matters of commerce based on someone's perceived sexual orientation. Further, I assume you could extrapolate that argument to allow for discriminatory practices against other sub-groups of people based on some subjective religious criteria...name whatever religion you want because you have set that precedent
If you cannot see why that is bad for commerce and for this country, then I cannot help you.
could be the only post in this thread.
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Posted on 4/6/16 at 2:07 pm to cas4t
You made a statement that was patently false. I kindly asked you to have your argument without prooftexting the Bible to support your argument.
I am trying to be kind. Please.
1 Corinthians 6:9 uses two words to describe homosexual activity. While there is certainly a broader context than what I am quoting, the passage says:
The word "effeminate" refers to the "catcher" in the relationship. The word "homosexual" graphically depicts the "pitcher."
I am trying to be kind. Please.
1 Corinthians 6:9 uses two words to describe homosexual activity. While there is certainly a broader context than what I am quoting, the passage says:
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Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God.
The word "effeminate" refers to the "catcher" in the relationship. The word "homosexual" graphically depicts the "pitcher."
Posted on 4/6/16 at 2:08 pm to TheRodFather
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If you're an atheist blaming religion
Come again?
Posted on 4/6/16 at 2:10 pm to TheRodFather
So your argument is that everyone has thought homos were icky, so they can get their cake elsewhere
got it
got it
Posted on 4/6/16 at 2:12 pm to cas4t
All I am doing here is trying to clear up this point you made
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The Bible doesn't even say what you think it says about homosexuality. Homosexuality wasn't even a concept that was understood in Biblical times.
Posted on 4/6/16 at 2:12 pm to Pinche Cabron
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The word "effeminate" refers to the "catcher" in the relationship. The word "homosexual" graphically depicts the "pitcher."
Even if that means what you say it means (even though it's not clear from that passage), why can't Christians just be happy knowing these people won't make it to heaven?
Posted on 4/6/16 at 2:15 pm to Pinche Cabron
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nor effeminate, nor homosexuals,
I appreciate the English post 19th century terms.
find me these words in Arabic, Hebrew or Greek and from before the 19th century. All you provided is a verse from the Bible that his been transcribed time and time again.
Posted on 4/6/16 at 2:15 pm to pvilleguru
The NT is written in Koine Greek. I will be glad to post the words if it helps you feel like I am at least being honest in my representation of the passage.
I am not here arguing the point. You guys have all that covered. I'm just trying to add a little light to a patently false claim about the Bible.
I am not here arguing the point. You guys have all that covered. I'm just trying to add a little light to a patently false claim about the Bible.
Posted on 4/6/16 at 2:19 pm to cas4t
It is from Papyrus 46 (dated between 175-225)
Sheesh, keep prooftexting. I don't care anymore
Sheesh, keep prooftexting. I don't care anymore
Posted on 4/6/16 at 2:19 pm to Pinche Cabron
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The NT is written in Koine Greek. I will be glad to post the words if it helps you feel like I am at least being honest in my representation of the passage.
Remember, the word must have been around pre-19th century, when the Bible was written. I don't care about any transcriptions when society gained a better knowledge of human sexuality.
Posted on 4/6/16 at 2:21 pm to cas4t
You are just wrong... but its ok. Hopefully the casual observer can at least know what you are doing is wrong.
Your argument isn't based from scripture. You don't care what the scripture says. So why reference it in your point?
Your argument isn't based from scripture. You don't care what the scripture says. So why reference it in your point?
Posted on 4/6/16 at 2:21 pm to Pinche Cabron
I'll gladly proof text if you can provide a citation, thanks
Posted on 4/6/16 at 2:23 pm to cas4t
I told you that the Corinthians passage is found in Papyrus 46. It's there. Historic fact.
Now there are many other passages of the NT that aren't in that particular manuscript... but that one is.
Now there are many other passages of the NT that aren't in that particular manuscript... but that one is.
Posted on 4/6/16 at 2:24 pm to Pinche Cabron
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You don't care what the scripture says
Actually a good point, yes. I ignore lots of scripture and you should too. Deuteronomy and Leviticus come to mind.
This post was edited on 4/6/16 at 2:26 pm
Posted on 4/6/16 at 2:26 pm to Pinche Cabron
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I told you that the Corinthians passage is found in Papyrus 46. It's there. Historic fact.
You posted it in English. I am asking for a citation to where it was translated from Greek to English.
Let's not forget God didn't write the new testament either.
This post was edited on 4/6/16 at 2:28 pm
Posted on 4/6/16 at 2:31 pm to cas4t
Posted on 4/6/16 at 2:32 pm to Pinche Cabron
This is one of the pages of Papyrus 46
(though not the passage in question... just one I could find)
LINK
(though not the passage in question... just one I could find)
LINK
Posted on 4/6/16 at 2:33 pm to 14&Counting
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Forget about the Bible and all this religious stuff.
This law boils down to fact that the State wants to allow business owners to make subjective discriminatory decisions on matters of commerce based on someone's perceived sexual orientation. Further, I assume you could extrapolate that argument to allow for discriminatory practices against other sub-groups of people based on some subjective religious criteria...name whatever religion you want because you have set that precedent
If you cannot see why that is bad for commerce and for this country, then I cannot help you.
Yep.
Posted on 4/6/16 at 2:41 pm to Pinche Cabron
that is about as vague as they come.
"homosexual" isn't specifically said, as you quoted. That entire passage in your link does not in any way, shape or form translate into what you said above. This is a classic case of reading this with preconceived notions.
Effeminate in no way means "catcher" and the passage in your link doesn't even specify a "man sleeping with another man". It only says, "sleep with men". No where does it say or even imply homosexuality.
I've seen this passage hundreds of times and is exactly what I was referencing earlier.
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The word "effeminate" refers to the "catcher" in the relationship. The word "homosexual" graphically depicts the "pitcher."
"homosexual" isn't specifically said, as you quoted. That entire passage in your link does not in any way, shape or form translate into what you said above. This is a classic case of reading this with preconceived notions.
Effeminate in no way means "catcher" and the passage in your link doesn't even specify a "man sleeping with another man". It only says, "sleep with men". No where does it say or even imply homosexuality.
I've seen this passage hundreds of times and is exactly what I was referencing earlier.
This post was edited on 4/6/16 at 2:43 pm
Posted on 4/6/16 at 2:47 pm to cas4t
You are exhausting
µa?a??? - Greek word translated "effeminate"
??se?????ta? - Greek word translated "homosexuals"
Those two words mean EXACTLY what I said (of course I was using slang terms when I said 'pitcher' and 'catcher' to describe the two distinct roles.
This is my last post. I have tried to be nicer today than I was yesterday. But in the end, nicer, meaner, really makes no difference to a person who is blind.
Good day
µa?a??? - Greek word translated "effeminate"
??se?????ta? - Greek word translated "homosexuals"
Those two words mean EXACTLY what I said (of course I was using slang terms when I said 'pitcher' and 'catcher' to describe the two distinct roles.
This is my last post. I have tried to be nicer today than I was yesterday. But in the end, nicer, meaner, really makes no difference to a person who is blind.
Good day
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