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Is it racist for a white man to sing a negro spiritual?

Posted on 12/19/13 at 6:56 pm
Posted by Silverstein
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Posted on 12/19/13 at 6:56 pm
I was sitting on the bus to work and a white man got on whistling, and then singing "jump down turn around pick a bale of cotton" the bus driver got very angry and requested that the man exit the bus, or stop singing the song as it was offensive.

Are these songs offensive in your opinion?

Sing Low Sweet Chariot
Pick a Bale of Cotton
Shouts
Dr. Watts
Come Go with Me

and all others
Posted by jbond
Atlanta
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Posted on 12/19/13 at 6:57 pm to
Race and Homesexual issues in America board. Oh wait...
Posted by Agforlife
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Posted on 12/19/13 at 6:59 pm to
Nope
Posted by aslavey
Chicago
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Posted on 12/19/13 at 7:00 pm to
Posted by Ole Geauxt
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Posted on 12/19/13 at 7:04 pm to
nope, I rocked my chillun to sleep many, many nights through colic, and every other ailment by singin' and hummin' songs that I heard the black folks singin' on the farm..
if I'm racist, so be it.
Posted by Kentucker
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Posted on 12/19/13 at 7:16 pm to
Only if he's in blackface.
Posted by robyman
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Posted on 12/19/13 at 7:17 pm to
Posted by Arkla Missy
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Posted on 12/19/13 at 7:23 pm to
I don't believe you, but to answer your question, no, it is not racist for white people to sing those songs. Almost everyone who is of a certain age and was raised in the South, particularly, was taught many of those songs as a child. A lot of them were used as lullabies, as OG stated. Also, as he stated, if people think of it as racist, so be it.
And why would they be considered "offensive"?
Posted by DCRebel
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Posted on 12/19/13 at 7:29 pm to
No, but it is insensitive for whatever that's worth.

I wouldn't sing a hymnal in front of a black person for the same reason I wouldn't order an Irish Car Bomb at a pub in Belfast. It's just not in good taste.

But, then again, Negro spirituals are a pretty important part of the history of American music so... yeah, no, it's really not a big deal. Bus driver needs to lighten up.

ETA: I also wouldn't order an Irish Car Bomb at a bar in the States... or anywhere. I'm not a fricking tool.
This post was edited on 12/19/13 at 7:33 pm
Posted by Carolina Tide
Atlanta
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Posted on 12/19/13 at 7:30 pm to
We learned a lot of negro spirituals in elementary school, especially during the Black History month and whenever we talked about the Civil War, so no.
Posted by Ole Geauxt
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Posted on 12/19/13 at 7:31 pm to
my kids always started burpin' when I desperately hit those deep notes on "nobody knows the trouble I've seen"..

I kept "amazing grace" for real sick occasions..
btwsheugly.
Posted by Arkla Missy
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Posted on 12/19/13 at 7:35 pm to
You sound like you were a great daddy geauxt, OG.

Ikr?
Posted by deltaland
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Posted on 12/19/13 at 7:37 pm to
Be honest. You just wanted a reason to use Negro in a thread title
Posted by Ole Geauxt
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Posted on 12/19/13 at 7:50 pm to
quote:

it is insensitive for whatever that's worth.

how so, I think if in any way it is showing respect. They taught me the songs, word for word. i would also think they wouldn't take the time to teach me if they didn't want me singing them to my children many years later. They died on the farm, but thank goodness their songs continue to live, at least through my kids kids.

"I wouldn't sing a hymnal in front of a black person"

Why not, is there something that I don't understand?

"I'm not a fricking tool"

Posted by DCRebel
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Posted on 12/19/13 at 7:51 pm to
EDIT: I see what you did. One big quote block.

Well what someone taught you is irrelevant to a total stranger. How is he or she supposed to know the circumstances under which you learned the song?

And I said "hymnal" when I meant "spiritual." Whoops.

My point is that I'm ambivalent on it. I hope you got that from my post. On the one hand, no, I don't think it's that big of a deal, but on the other hand I can see where someone might think that it's not appropriate for a white person to sing a spiritual.

I see both sides, and I'm erring on the side of "frick it, sing the song," even though I myself probably wouldn't.
This post was edited on 12/19/13 at 7:55 pm
Posted by CatFan81
Decatur, GA
Member since May 2009
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Posted on 12/19/13 at 7:54 pm to
quote:

I also wouldn't order an Irish Car Bomb at a bar in the States... or anywhere.


But Irish Car Bombs are awesome.
Posted by DCRebel
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Posted on 12/19/13 at 7:57 pm to
quote:

But Irish Car Bombs are awesome.



I'd much rather drink a boilermaker.
Posted by Ole Geauxt
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Posted on 12/19/13 at 8:03 pm to
quote:

quote: it is insensitive for whatever that's worth. how so, I think if in any way it is showing respect. They taught me the songs, word for word. i would also think they wouldn't take the time to teach me if they didn't want me singing them to my children many years later. They died on the farm, but thank goodness their songs continue to live, at least through my kids kids. "I wouldn't sing a hymnal in front of a black person" Why not, is there something that I don't understand? "I'm not a fricking tool"


sorry, I'm not real good on this eye pad yet,,, I'll do it again, so there's no misunderstanding.
I do respect your opinion though. these people that I'm talking about consisted of many families that worked and lived on our little plot of hilly, non delta dirt. these people practically raised me,, and even if they didn't, isn't continuing a tradition or in this case, singing a song and passing it down through the next couple of generations the most sincere form of flattery? I hope you respect my opinion, as well.

lkr???
This post was edited on 12/19/13 at 8:21 pm
Posted by TeamCornbread
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Posted on 12/19/13 at 8:44 pm to
RebelGaytor pls
Posted by Arkla Missy
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Posted on 12/19/13 at 9:24 pm to
quote:

I wouldn't sing a hymnal in front of a black person

I don't get this at all. You wouldn't sing a hymn in front of a black person??? It is in bad taste?? This makes no sense and is one of the most illogical things I have ever seen.

So, it's racist for white people to sing hymns now?
I sing hymns in front of black people all the time ... IN CHURCH.
And unfrickingbelievable that you compare terrorist car bombings to singing hymns.
quote:

I can see where someone might think that it's not appropriate for a white person to sing a spiritual.

I don't even know what to say about this. I seriously hope you're trolling, but I have a strong feeling you aren't.
Has it ever occurred to you that white people can be spiritual as well? There are a whole bunch of us who are, believe it or not.
quote:

But, then again, Negro spirituals are a pretty important part of the history of American music so...

Yeah, how about spirituals are a big part of many people's spirituality, both blacks AND whites. They are considered more than just a part of history to thousands, black AND white.
quote:

My point is that I'm ambivalent on it. I hope you got that from my post.

Well, you have an awful lot of opinions about it to be so ambivalent. What you seem to be missing is that many of these songs are hymns that are sung in church for a reason. They are not only part of a culture of many people, both black and white, they are part of many people's, blacks' and whites,' spirituality. Many of us were raised in church with these songs, so when we sing them, we are singing them as part of our spirituality or worship process, not as an affront to anyone. As a matter of fact, I'm pretty positive that no one I even remotely know, black or white, has ever even considered such. That thought has never crossed our minds. I hope you got that from my post.

Maybe people should stop spending so much time trying to stir up shite thinking of more ways to take benign things such as whites singing spiritual songs and twisting it into something racist, and concentrate more of their time on their own spirituality. And you don't have to be religious to be spiritual, btw, there is a difference.

Fwiw, I still think the OP is trolling, but your comments deserve a response, imo.

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