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Posted on 2/17/18 at 7:56 pm to Kentucker
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What do you think the discovery of a second abiogenesis of life will have on societis, specifically religions.
I don't mean to sound chauvinistic to my own species, but we have created abiogenesis so I would say the second has already came. However, and this is a big however: Religions are almost bulletproof in this regard because most of the books are vague and when they contradict it's easy to write it off as ''ah well, someone probably tampered with it''.
I've had friends who literally told me they would try to evangelize aliens if they were provided the opportunity.
There might be a steep decline, though, as there already is as fewer facts are provided from holy books and more ''woo woo'' is being accepted. I'm even tempted to call myself religious as long as whatever God I support would not permit a hell.
That was a cool Posted on 2/17/18 at 8:04 pm to Commander Data
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Should aliens land down on our planet or orbit anywhere in the Sol system everybody including myself would lose their shite because we know that would most likely end badly for all of us.
I think this is what most people expect. It's probably natural for people to anticipate the worst scenario but this is actually the least likely thing to happen, IMO. There isn't much about our solar system that would attract another civilization to explore it. Maybe the stability of our planets' orbits around the sun, but otherwise we're kind of boring.
Posted on 2/17/18 at 8:52 pm to Paul B Ammer
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I wouldn't be surprised if #1 happens within the next decade. The main issue would be if was not caused by some sort of Earth based contamination. Meteorites from some foreign sort of titanic impact on Earth could have carried bacteria to Mars or even Europa.
I agree that blowoff of earth material to Mars is extremely likely but not to Europa. The Asteroid Belt and Jupiter's extreme gravity stand in the way of that happening.
Also, it's more probable that blowoff from Mars to earth has happend much more frequently than vice versa. Mars is much smaller than earth and its gravity is accordingly weaker. It takes a huge asteroid strike to eject material from earth but not from Mars.
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This makes the possibility of life on Saturn's moon of Enceladus so intriguing. It is too far from the habitable zone for this sort of contamination to occur and all the precursors for life are seemingly there.
To me, Europa represents a better chance of finding unique life forms than does Enceladus. Europa is almost as big as the moon but Enceladus is only as big as Texas.
Earth, moon and Europa.
Earth, moon and Enceladus.
This size difference means that Europa probably has a far more rich quantity of elements and minerals than does Enceladus. In the photos below, it's apparent that water coming to the surface of Enceladus is crystal clear while on Europa's surface there are great deposits of organic substances.
Clear water on the surface of Enceladus.
Water deposits heavily contaminated with organic substances on Europa.
Posted on 2/17/18 at 8:54 pm to Kentucker
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Posted on 2/17/18 at 9:51 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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I don't mean to sound chauvinistic to my own species, but we have created abiogenesis so I would say the second has already came.
Are you referring to Craig Venter's synthetic life created in 2010? I'm not sure I'd call this abiogenesis because Venter used a living cell from which he extracted natural DNA and inserted manufactured DNA. The latter was created from the same amino acids (adenine, cytosine, thymine and guanine) as the former. Synthetic life? Yes. Unique life? I don't think so.
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I've had friends who literally told me they would try to evangelize aliens if they were provided the opportunity.
I laughed when I read this because the image of an Evangelical proselytizing an alien jumped into my head.
Posted on 2/17/18 at 10:23 pm to Kentucker
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4. Arrival of intelligent aliens on earth.
Probably would.
Posted on 2/17/18 at 11:48 pm to Arksulli
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I'm about to lose all my cool points in this thread by admitting I much preferred the Futurama take on that... "The Day the Earth Stood Stupid."
No, you finally earned some cool points with that.
Posted on 2/18/18 at 12:12 am to Kentucker
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Are you referring to Craig Venter's synthetic life created in 2010?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miller%E2%80%93Urey_experiment
I mean, just to show that life could be created from non-life.
Posted on 2/18/18 at 6:51 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Gotcha. Miller’s classic experiment does illustrate how very quickly and easily the building blocks of life can form when all of the ingredients are present in a geosphere.
It’s difficult for many people to accept that life evolves naturally from non-living systems and, certainly, the complexity of chemical reactions in a biosphere makes that understandable. However, as we explore the Universe we’re going to encounter other geospheres that have evolved into biospheres of variable complexities. We may have several of them right here in our own solar system.
It’s difficult for many people to accept that life evolves naturally from non-living systems and, certainly, the complexity of chemical reactions in a biosphere makes that understandable. However, as we explore the Universe we’re going to encounter other geospheres that have evolved into biospheres of variable complexities. We may have several of them right here in our own solar system.
Posted on 2/18/18 at 11:22 am to Kentucker
My profession allows me to see this evolution on a daily basis.
Literally watching genetic mutations. It delivers the message that anything is possible and hell, we could have evolved from a "retarded" fish.
What are your thoughts on micchorizal fungi?
Literally watching genetic mutations. It delivers the message that anything is possible and hell, we could have evolved from a "retarded" fish.
What are your thoughts on micchorizal fungi?
Posted on 2/18/18 at 12:53 pm to Kentucker
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Gotcha. Miller’s classic experiment does illustrate how very quickly and easily the building blocks of life can form when all of the ingredients are present in a geosphere.
And I don't think it's all-encompassing, and that it suggests that all forms of life are possible from nonlife. However, a big however, it does show that under the right conditions it's not really that complicated.
You could easily substitute electricity/lightning with tidal friction on a moon to get the necessitated jolt needed to create even the most basic of life. So I don't think people are too concerned over abiogenesis as we once were (and most people of faith tend to reject that experiment).
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It’s difficult for many people to accept that life evolves naturally from non-living systems and, certainly, the complexity of chemical reactions in a biosphere makes that understandable. However, as we explore the Universe we’re going to encounter other geospheres that have evolved into biospheres of variable complexities. We may have several of them right here in our own solar system.
I would be shocked if we didn't find life at least on the micro level within our Solar System. ?Oumuamua is said to have tholins present, which wouldn't be so farfetched to say that our universe might just be covered in organic (carbon) compounds.
Exciting time to be alive.
Posted on 2/18/18 at 1:21 pm to teamjackson
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What are your thoughts on micchorizal fungi?
Symbiotic relationships exist across even the kingdoms of life, as in this mutualistic relationship between fungi and plants. Fungi can also be parasites, of course. Who among us hasn't had "athlete's foot?" The fungi growing between our toes certainly aren't providing a benefit for their reluctant hosts.
A special one between humans and bacteria allows us to live healthy lives.
Germaphobes are freaked out when they discover that they host 10 pounds of bacteria, on average, on and inside their bodies. An adult human has about one trillion cells. However, there are an additional six trillion bacterial cells, some performing vital bodily functions, such as E. coli in our guts.
Of the six kingdoms of life on earth, animals and plants were the last to evolve. It makes sense that they incorporate intimate relationships with the other kingdoms, and with each other as in bees and flowers, as they adapt to their surroundings.
Posted on 2/18/18 at 1:29 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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Exciting time to be alive.
Posted on 2/18/18 at 6:37 pm to Kentucker
I’m ready for someone or something to provide me a way of this gay planet.
Posted on 2/18/18 at 7:01 pm to crispyUGA
Well, you could:
1. Convert to Mormonism, kill yourself and then control your own planet; or,
2. Convert to Islam, strap on a bomb, become a martyr and then collect your 72 virgins.
Happy Death Day.
1. Convert to Mormonism, kill yourself and then control your own planet; or,
2. Convert to Islam, strap on a bomb, become a martyr and then collect your 72 virgins.
Happy Death Day.
Posted on 2/18/18 at 9:14 pm to Paul B Ammer
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Well I see the Internet ate my post regarding the likelihood of cellular building blocks on Enceladus. No doubt I violated some sort of prohibition by mentioning the leaguer around our solar system that prevent other civilizations from contacting us until we meet certain benchmarks. Or maybe it was because I insulted the Irish.
I think life in the Saturnian system is likely. Not only do you have a clear energy source in Enceladus but you also have an over abundance of hydrocarbons on Titan.
Too bad both are not combined.
Posted on 2/18/18 at 9:21 pm to Kentucker
The far eastern religions would fare much better than the abrahamaic religions. They’ve already got gods with a hundred arms and blue skin. Christianity would struggle to find relevance in the Bible. Islam would probably go ape shite and want to truck bomb Darth Vader.
Posted on 2/18/18 at 10:59 pm to Kentucker
The question should be is the world ready to be told we are simply one of many intelligent races and that we have been in contact with and in cooperation with and against many different alien races?
Many of the movies etc are simply prepping the public for when they simply must be told. The “others” have been here for thousands of years just like we have.
They are not even hard to find if you look. Some are friendly helpful good benevolent, some are not at all and real Mfers. Just like us.
Maybe it all comes out next year maybe 50 years from now but eventually truth or at least some it will come out.
Many of the movies etc are simply prepping the public for when they simply must be told. The “others” have been here for thousands of years just like we have.
They are not even hard to find if you look. Some are friendly helpful good benevolent, some are not at all and real Mfers. Just like us.
Maybe it all comes out next year maybe 50 years from now but eventually truth or at least some it will come out.
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