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re: Intelligent Design Vs. Evolution
Posted on 4/12/14 at 10:43 pm to NATidefan
Posted on 4/12/14 at 10:43 pm to NATidefan
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Well then you don't much about hadron collider, cause it's basically anti religion machine when it comes to the age of the world and universe.
I beg to differ. How is it anti religion when it comes to the age of the world and universe?
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Posted on 4/12/14 at 10:44 pm to beejon
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I believe the bible is correct on how old the world is and also correct on how humans were made.
That's well and good. I don't fault you for your faith. However, suppressing overwhelming scientific evidence that others assimilate into their faiths is folly, in my opinion. It makes you seem kind of schizophrenic.
Posted on 4/12/14 at 10:45 pm to beejon
I must have missed where the bible says that 
Posted on 4/12/14 at 10:46 pm to Kentucker
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However, suppressing overwhelming scientific evidence
What is this overwhelming scientific evidence that I'm suppressing?
Posted on 4/12/14 at 10:47 pm to beejon
Evolution.
Posted on 4/12/14 at 10:48 pm to Roger Klarvin
Posted on 4/12/14 at 10:48 pm to beejon
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I beg to differ. How is it anti religion when it comes to the age of the world and universe?
It has shown us that mass and particles can pop into and out of existence spontaneously with no precursors, no energy input and no cause.
At the quantum level, we can see that actions dont have to have causes.
Posted on 4/12/14 at 10:49 pm to Kentucker
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Evolution.
There is no overwhelming evidence for Darwinistic evolution. In fact, there's no evidence for it at all.
Posted on 4/12/14 at 10:49 pm to beejon
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What is this overwhelming scientific evidence that I'm suppressing?
A lot, but I suppose the most glaring would be DNA homology.
Posted on 4/12/14 at 10:53 pm to Roger Klarvin
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At the quantum level, we can see that actions dont have to have causes.
No, not true. At the quantum level, 'stuff' pops into, and out of, existence but it's not proven there's no underlying cause.
Posted on 4/12/14 at 10:53 pm to beejon
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A good read explaining it is here.
"His works frequently cite Talmudic, Midrashic and medieval commentaries on Biblical creation accounts, such as commentaries written by the Jewish philosopher Nachmanides. Among other things, Schroeder attempts to reconcile a six day creation as described in Genesis with the scientific evidence that the world is billions of years old using the idea that the perceived flow of time for a given event in an expanding universe varies with the observer’s perspective of that event. He attempts to reconcile the two perspectives numerically, calculating the effect of the stretching of space-time, based on Einstein's theory of general relativity.[7]"
In other words, he is attempting to assimilate scientific discoveries into his Jewish Orthodox faith. Good for him.
Posted on 4/12/14 at 10:54 pm to beejon
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There is no overwhelming evidence for Darwinistic evolution. In fact, there's no evidence for it at all.
Human Chromosome 2 is a fusion of chimpanzee chromosomes 12 and 13, an event that occurred after our split from them at our last common ancestor.
Human infants exhibit the same palmar grasp reflex all apes use to cling to the hair on their mothers backs despite it serving no beneficial purpose in humans.
We have the same skull suture lines as apes and ancestral human fossils.
We have viral DNA IDENTICAL to that seen in chimps.
For God sakes, we even have a damn vestigial tail
And on and on and oon
Posted on 4/12/14 at 10:56 pm to Roger Klarvin
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A lot, but I suppose the most glaring would be DNA homology.
That's no more than evidence of common building blocks. That's not unexpected at all.
We're making full circle back to our interactions with each other being nothing more than chemical reactions in the brain coupled with dna programmed, by billions of random events, resulting in humans being just another life form with no meaning other than survival of the fittest.
Posted on 4/12/14 at 10:57 pm to beejon
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No, not true. At the quantum level, 'stuff' pops into, and out of, existence but it's not proven there's no underlying cause.
Correct, but as of now there is no observable cause despite our best efforts to find one.
Posted on 4/12/14 at 10:57 pm to Roger Klarvin
Bottom line, you're a biological accident with no meaning in life either for you or for humanity other than to promote the survival of the fittest.
Posted on 4/12/14 at 10:58 pm to Roger Klarvin
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Correct, but as of now there is no observable cause despite our best efforts to find one.
Exactly. :)
Posted on 4/12/14 at 10:59 pm to beejon
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That's no more than evidence of common building blocks. That's not unexpected at all.
No it isnt. Homology means we have indentical DNA sequences as recent ancestors, sequences which wouldnt be there is we had all been created as special creatires.
Posted on 4/12/14 at 10:59 pm to beejon
Care to refute the evidence?
Posted on 4/12/14 at 11:00 pm to beejon
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No, not true. At the quantum level, 'stuff' pops into, and out of, existence but it's not proven there's no underlying cause.
Cause and effect is a result of our senses conditioning us. Quantum mechanics is very, very different to our sensory input abilities. Effect without cause is counter-intuitive for us but completely applicable at the quantum level. Other counter-intuitive observations at the quantum level: the idea of distance between particles is meaningless; objects such as photons and electrons can exist bot as waves and particles.
Posted on 4/12/14 at 11:01 pm to Roger Klarvin
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No it isnt. Homology means we have indentical DNA sequences as recent ancestors, sequences which wouldnt be there is we had all been created as special creatires.
Of course it would be there. Common building blocks of life are common throughout creation.
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