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re: Intelligent Design Vs. Evolution
Posted on 4/12/14 at 9:20 pm to beejon
Posted on 4/12/14 at 9:20 pm to beejon
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That's good, I guess, but evolution is really a cruel and heartless theory, since it gives no value to life and adds no purpose to living other than survival.
Nature is cruel and heartless. Evolution is part of nature. There is no value to life or anything else whatsoever. There is also no purpose at all.
Kindness, consideration and life value are all human constructs. They are heavily involved in religion, where they belong. Attempting to insinuate them into evolution would make it just another religion, as NATidefan mentioned.
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Posted on 4/12/14 at 9:23 pm to Roger Klarvin
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Darwin believed in God his entire life and died a christian.
I've read where He died an agnostic.
Posted on 4/12/14 at 9:26 pm to Kentucker
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Kindness, consideration and life value are all human constructs.
You don't value your children's lives (assuming you have children) or show love, kindness and consideration to them?
Posted on 4/12/14 at 9:33 pm to Roger Klarvin
You could not be more wrong. I am ambivilant towards evolution....and their is sufficient evidence to scientifically challenge darwinistic interpretations. I simply find it amusing that otherwise intelligent people, such as yourself, would blindly accept the smoke and mirrors that darwinism is. Darwinism is the bastard child of legitimate science.....but it is your religion
Posted on 4/12/14 at 9:40 pm to beejon
There isn't a part of the theory that allows for the parts of genesis, but it doesn't exclude a God at all. This battle between what religion teaches and may seem new to you, buts been going on since the beginning of science and religion. If religion had its way the earth would still be flat and stars, sun, and planet would orbit the earth. At least y'all don't lock us up and burn our books anymore.
Posted on 4/12/14 at 9:40 pm to beejon
Ive always read he maintained belief and asked for a priest on his deathbed. Some atheists try and claim him, but at most he was an agnostic like you said.
He was always at the least spiritual and never viewed his theory as depriving life of meaning.
He was always at the least spiritual and never viewed his theory as depriving life of meaning.
Posted on 4/12/14 at 9:45 pm to beejon
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You don't value your children's lives (assuming you have children) or show love, kindness and consideration to them?
You missed his point. He does feel those things BECAUSE they are human constructs and he is human.
I disagree somewhat, since there is ample evidence that emotions and morality evolved along with everything else. Animals exhibit these traits to lesser and lesser degrees and you go further down the list on animals with cognitive awareness.
That being said, there is absolutely no evidence of some sort of universal absolute morality exists or that emotions have value other than the capacity they give us to attach to each other.
Posted on 4/12/14 at 9:47 pm to mattloc
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You could not be more wrong. I am ambivilant towards evolution....and their is sufficient evidence to scientifically challenge darwinistic interpretations. I simply find it amusing that otherwise intelligent people, such as yourself, would blindly accept the smoke and mirrors that darwinism is. Darwinism is the bastard child of legitimate science.....but it is your religion
Can you answer a question for me?
What are your qualifications? What background and degrees do you have in the biological sciences?
Posted on 4/12/14 at 9:49 pm to Roger Klarvin
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You missed his point. He does feel those things BECAUSE they are human constructs and he is human.
I disagree somewhat, since there is ample evidence that emotions and morality evolved along with everything else. Animals exhibit these traits to lesser and lesser degrees and you go further down the list on animals with cognitive awareness.
That being said, there is absolutely no evidence of some sort of universal absolute morality exists or that emotions have value other than the capacity they give us to attach to each other.
Right, there is a view that our caring for each other, loving each other, is simply a chemical reaction in the brain, coupled with a programmed genetic sequence which has evolved over millions of years by a series of mindless, meaningless, random events.
That's Darwinism's view of humanity.
Posted on 4/12/14 at 9:52 pm to beejon
Well I didn't say you had to be an atheist to be a scientist. 
But I don't think Newtons three laws were followed by "cause God made it that way" so it wouldn't be a Godless theory.
But I don't think Newtons three laws were followed by "cause God made it that way" so it wouldn't be a Godless theory.
This post was edited on 4/12/14 at 9:55 pm
Posted on 4/12/14 at 9:54 pm to Roger Klarvin
Lol ...of what importance is that question...Although I have wondered about yourself. I assume you have some biological background.
Posted on 4/12/14 at 9:55 pm to Roger Klarvin
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I disagree somewhat, since there is ample evidence that emotions and morality evolved along with everything else. Animals exhibit these traits to lesser and lesser degrees and you go further down the list on animals with cognitive awareness.
Oh, I agree completely. I emphasized humanity because I think religion is a result of our advanced emotions.
Posted on 4/12/14 at 9:56 pm to beejon
Thats my view of humanity, yes.
That being said, they arent meaningless to us. Even if we are only under the illusion of meaning, thats reason enough to enjoy life.
That being said, they arent meaningless to us. Even if we are only under the illusion of meaning, thats reason enough to enjoy life.
Posted on 4/12/14 at 9:56 pm to the808bass
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The church hasn't dominated the field for well over a century. The myth of mythicism is gaining ground in the peer-reviewed community now. Good for this cat. He got two dudes to sign off on his book.
Yeah, because most biblical scholars aren't Christian.
Man it must burn your butthole to admit you're wrong. quote:
And great job on the most cited interpolation of all time that actually has theological relevance.
I knew you could do it.
Strange you didn't know about it.
Posted on 4/12/14 at 9:59 pm to mattloc
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Lol ...of what importance is that question...Although I have wondered about yourself. I assume you have some biological background.
I was just wondering on what basis you were basing all of your dismissals of the sciences. Surely someone would have to have incredibly extensive knowledge of the biological sciences to dismiss as much of it as you do so easily.
And because you asked, I have a BS in biology with a minor in genetics, a masters in biology and am currently about to enter my third year of medical school.
Posted on 4/12/14 at 9:59 pm to beejon
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That's Darwinism's view of nature.
FIFY. Evolution is a process that describes all of biological nature, not specifically humanity.
Posted on 4/12/14 at 10:01 pm to Kentucker
I really dont get why so many people believe life would be meaningless if evolution were true. It doesnt change your subjective life experience at all.
Posted on 4/12/14 at 10:07 pm to Kentucker
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Evolution is a process that describes all of biological nature, not specifically humanity.
FIFY. Evolution is a series of guesses and suppositions that attempts to describe all of biological nature, not limited to humanity.
Posted on 4/12/14 at 10:07 pm to Roger Klarvin
I have postgraduate degrees myself....I hardly think them relevant to the discussion....Happy you are acknowleding my "incredibly extensive knowledge", may use it as my new sig, with your permission....oh and congrats on the medical school
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