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re: Intelligent Design Vs. Evolution
Posted on 4/9/14 at 6:06 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Posted on 4/9/14 at 6:06 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
I hope there are more discoveries related to H. floresiensis. The Island Effect has always fascinated me and here is an apparent example with a humanoid line.
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Posted on 4/9/14 at 6:11 pm to Kentucker
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I hope there are more discoveries related to H. floresiensis. The Island Effect has always fascinated me and here is an apparent example with a humanoid line.
That's intrigued me for a while...apparently it's a load of shite and hundreds of thousands of biologists are secretly lying to us. It'd be nice if one of these Christian scholars went ahead and became a biologist to disprove Evolution.
Unscrupulous doubt seems to work better for 'em.
Posted on 4/9/14 at 6:17 pm to FooManChoo
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I do believe that whatever the Bible says, it is meant to provide truth.
Noah wasn't a real person anymore than Zeus was. It's a fairy tale.
Posted on 4/9/14 at 6:25 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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Unscrupulous doubt seems to work better for 'em.
Nothing really seems to be working for them in the 21st century. I think we may have reached a tipping point wherein scientific advancement is coming so fast and regularly that theists are faced with an either/or situation. Either adapt to science or be left in the past.
The Amish chose not to adapt and are frozen in time, for example. Their numbers are declining because their children see the handwriting on the wall - well, maybe the text on the iPad is more accurate.
Posted on 4/9/14 at 6:30 pm to Kentucker
Christianity needs to evolve, ironic huh?
Posted on 4/9/14 at 6:34 pm to Kentucker
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Nothing really seems to be working for them in the 21st century. I think we may have reached a tipping point wherein scientific advancement is coming so fast and regularly that theists are faced with an either/or situation. Either adapt to science or be left in the past.
Even the Catholic Church figured this out, which is why it endorses evolution.
Posted on 4/9/14 at 6:35 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
quote:Funny. I've found that "the other side" is so much better (in general) at mockery of opposing views. It doesn't add anything, but it sure does get some laughs
Fooman -- LINK
Posted on 4/9/14 at 6:36 pm to TeLeFaWx
quote:What did Saban say? Thank you for your interest in the discussion? Something like that...
Noah wasn't a real person anymore than Zeus was. It's a fairy tale.
Glad you are contributing. Keep it up
Posted on 4/9/14 at 6:39 pm to NATidefan
quote:It doesn't need to evolve or change at all, except maybe back towards orthodoxy. The modern church has all but abandoned the authority of scripture in favor of ear-tickling messages about how awesome we all are and that God doesn't care about anything we do as long as we are sincere.
Christianity needs to evolve, ironic huh?
Posted on 4/9/14 at 6:41 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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Richard Carrier touched on this and said that it was quite the opposite: It's not held up to the same scrutiny and doesn't hold the same amount of evidence as other ancient texts do. (Like, for instance, Plato's Republic.)
So, what's the earliest extant text of Plato's Republic? (I applaud your tenacity.)
And Richard Carrier should be taken about as seriously as A.C. Dixon. He's a far more polemical source than any you've (wrongly) accused me of using. And his historical methods are more suited to the Enquirer than scholarly journals. It does make more sense that you're a reader of his.
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Posted on 4/9/14 at 6:43 pm to Kentucker
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Nothing really seems to be working for them in the 21st century. I think we may have reached a tipping point wherein scientific advancement is coming so fast and regularly that theists are faced with an either/or situation. Either adapt to science or be left in the past.
Naw. Hyper empiricism will crumble. It's a completely unsatisfying structure for interpreting life, even for the skeptics. They just don't routinely apply it to their own experiences, just other people's faith.
Posted on 4/9/14 at 6:43 pm to FooManChoo
quote:God loves football. Ask almost anyone here
God doesn't care about anything we do as long as we are sincere.
Posted on 4/9/14 at 6:50 pm to FooManChoo
If it doesn't change, it's not gonna last. At least not in the form you believe. More and more people believe in evolution everyday and less and less believe in the bibles version of the creation of the universe. Most of the Christians I know no longer believe in the Bibles version. They still believe in God and Jesus as the son of God, but the whole creationism part makes them say, well.... (And then fill in some reason why that part isn't to be taken literally)
Posted on 4/9/14 at 6:50 pm to MIZ_COU
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God loves football. Ask almost anyone here
He hates my team, except for bowl games for whatever reason.
Posted on 4/9/14 at 7:35 pm to OMLandshark
quote:Thanks Obama
He hates my team, except for bowl games for whatever reason.
Posted on 4/9/14 at 10:14 pm to OMLandshark
quote:Thank you again for the link. I watched the episode and it was well presented and somewhat entertaining.
And FooManChoo, if you really want evolution explained to you in real Layman's Terms, watch this. It boils evolution down to its simplest concepts:
Cosmos
Unfortunately, It added nothing new to my understanding of evolution. It just added more visuals and some annoying commercials via Hulu.
It felt like watching Darwinian propaganda that tried to condescend to the religious people like myself by talking about spiritual connections to our DNA-relatives and gently chiding us for believing antiquated beliefs that the eye was too complex for evolution or that all life was specifically created by an intelligent designer.
In fact, it actually reinforced my own beliefs, but it was just a bit much for my tastes.
Posted on 4/9/14 at 10:20 pm to NATidefan
quote:Doubtful. Humans have a spiritual side that cannot be satisfied with a purely naturalistic view of the universe. Also, you never know what information will be discovered in the future that may invalidate the known theory of evolution.
If it doesn't change, it's not gonna last. At least not in the form you believe. More and more people believe in evolution everyday and less and less believe in the bibles version of the creation of the universe. Most of the Christians I know no longer believe in the Bibles version. They still believe in God and Jesus as the son of God, but the whole creationism part makes them say, well.... (And then fill in some reason why that part isn't to be taken literally)
And over the course of its existence, Christianity has teetered from one extreme to the other in its course of heresy and reformation. I believe we're in a period of decline, not because of evolution or science, but because of the apathy of the church, itself. Another reformation will ensue, and in a future period of calamity or hardship, humanity will return to its spiritual side that is easy to put away in times of wealth and prosperity.
I'm not concerned in the least for the long-term prospects of the gospel message of Christ.
Posted on 4/9/14 at 10:40 pm to FooManChoo
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Doubtful. Humans have a spiritual side that cannot be satisfied with a purely naturalistic view of the universe.
Agreed, I never said I don't believe in a God... but your God described by the Bible may be running on borrowed time.
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Another reformation will ensue, and in a future period of calamity or hardship, humanity will return to its spiritual side that is easy to put away in times of wealth and prosperity.
Absolutely.. that's why religion was invented in the first place... Man needed to seek outside help.
Posted on 4/9/14 at 10:46 pm to FooManChoo
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I'm not concerned in the least for the long-term prospects of the gospel message of Christ.
you should be... I'm concerned and I'm not even Christian... you may think that by not being Christian I wouldn't care, but I do. I actually care a whole hell of a lot...
Christianity is a good religion and it teaches good morals, I don't wanna see that go away. There are a lot of dumb people out there that need moral guidance, religion provides that for them. I would like to see Churches stop focusing on evolution, homosexuality, etc.... and go back to focusing on things that truly make a person holy.
The golden rule is being replaced with "I didn't come from a monkey" and "Being gay is a sin"... why don't we focus on what really matters...
This post was edited on 4/9/14 at 10:51 pm
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