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re: Intelligent Design Vs. Evolution
Posted on 4/7/14 at 6:11 pm to MontyFranklyn
Posted on 4/7/14 at 6:11 pm to MontyFranklyn
Majority of Science theorizes that the universe will eventually collapse and start all over again. So it's obvious that our universe/space is infinite if it just repeats itself over and over. What if the universe isn't necessarily created by a higher being that dwells outside of time and space, but rather the creator is everything that makes up time and space.
Science states that the universe is infinite while religion states that the creator (God) is eternal/infinite. So if you put the two together wouldn't that mean the universe is God itself?
Science states that the universe is infinite while religion states that the creator (God) is eternal/infinite. So if you put the two together wouldn't that mean the universe is God itself?
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Posted on 4/7/14 at 6:22 pm to lwlsu96
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Majority of Science theorizes that the universe will eventually collapse and start all over again. So it's obvious that our universe/space is infinite if it just repeats itself over and over. What if the universe isn't necessarily created by a higher being that dwells outside of time and space, but rather the creator is everything that makes up time and space. Science states that the universe is infinite while religion states that the creator (God) is eternal/infinite. So if you put the two together wouldn't that mean the universe is God itself?
Current theory is that the universe will continue to expand, because of the dark energy effect, until every particle is reduced to its components and energy production stops. Entropy goes from low to high.
Science does not state that the universe is infinite. Any scientist who runs into infinity in his calculations knows that he has made a mistake somewhere.
There is no association whatsoever between science and religion. The physical world exists with or without mankind. Religion is a human construct.
Posted on 4/7/14 at 7:26 pm to Kentucker
Okay so the universe reaches equilibrium, what happens to all of the dark energy and space that all of the energy and matter are within?
Isn't the universe expanding into infinite space? If not then where does space stop?
Isn't the universe expanding into infinite space? If not then where does space stop?
This post was edited on 4/7/14 at 7:34 pm
Posted on 4/7/14 at 7:41 pm to Kentucker
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Because every human embryo starts out as female. Deep inside your urethra, there's a vestigial clitoris. You're only male because your Y chromosome was triggered to create one very early in your development in the womb.
I am so aroused right now...
Posted on 4/7/14 at 7:49 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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I am so aroused right now...
Do you have the weirdest vestigial boner right now?
Posted on 4/7/14 at 7:51 pm to NATidefan
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Do you have the weirdest vestigial boner right now?
Like you couldn't you believe.
Posted on 4/7/14 at 8:02 pm to Kentucker
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Any scientist who runs into infinity in his calculations knows that he has made a mistake somewhere.
I don't know about that. When I took electromagnetics, the dirac delta function popped up all the time which is (practically speaking) an infinite spike about a point in space and time.
That being said I've never taken any graduate level physics courses, so maybe there are some subtleties that are above my pay grade.
Posted on 4/7/14 at 8:57 pm to Crimson G
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I don't know about that. When I took electromagnetics, the dirac delta function popped up all the time which is (practically speaking) an infinite spike about a point in space and time.
That being said I've never taken any graduate level physics courses, so maybe there are some subtleties that are above my pay grade.
I know string theory is a poor place to look but they do run into many situations in which infinity is represented.
There was also a recent debate whether or not the universe could have started, or if it necessitated starting at all.
The truth of the matter is: Infinite is not at all 100% out of the question, there is a chance, even if it is minimal, that it's possible. We're in our infancy regarding the rest of the universe so it's a bit premature to say that the universe couldn't possibly be cyclical.
There's probably a good chance that it is.
Posted on 4/7/14 at 9:14 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
It's foolish for any human being to not believe that there is more to the universe than what we can perceive as human beings. The only things we can "scientifically prove" are the things that we can relate to through our reality and senses in the universe.
I've always thought it was weird how we can imagine all of these extravagant places and impossible events through dreaming, yet they can't scientifically exist in the universe. Think about it.. We are basically just the universe observing and sensing itself, yet we can imagine and perceive things that technically don't exist.
I've always thought it was weird how we can imagine all of these extravagant places and impossible events through dreaming, yet they can't scientifically exist in the universe. Think about it.. We are basically just the universe observing and sensing itself, yet we can imagine and perceive things that technically don't exist.
Posted on 4/7/14 at 9:16 pm to lwlsu96
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t's foolish for any human being to not believe that there is more to the universe than what we can perceive as human beings. The only things we can "scientifically prove" are the things that we can relate to through our reality and senses in the universe.
I totally agree. It's way, way too early in the ballgame to sit here and pretend like there won't be advances in physics, perception and even unforeseen changes. How many times have we had to reevaluate scale to quantify particles? How many times was it said: ____ IS THE SMALLEST THING EVER?
Especially if there's a multiverse.
Posted on 4/7/14 at 9:17 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Posted on 4/7/14 at 9:46 pm to Rebelgator
Now I see how you got 25,000 posts.
Posted on 4/7/14 at 9:55 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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multiverse
Posted on 4/7/14 at 11:05 pm to lwlsu96
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Okay so the universe reaches equilibrium, what happens to all of the dark energy and space that all of the energy and matter are within? Isn't the universe expanding into infinite space? If not then where does space stop?
The "goal" of the universe since the Big Bang is to go from low entropy to high entropy. Maximum entropy, or disorder, is achieved when all motion stops. Since E=mc², the E will eventually equal zero. This is according to M Theory. The universe will be no more.
Infinite space? No. Space is only as big as the universe. It's expanding exponentially now because the dark force is pushing everything apart. Right now the push is affecting galaxies. Ultimately it will affect atoms and subatomic particles, near the end.
Posted on 4/7/14 at 11:08 pm to Crimson G
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I don't know about that. When I took electromagnetics, the dirac delta function popped up all the time which is (practically speaking) an infinite spike about a point in space and time.
Well, sure. The spike will persist as long there is energy driving the function.
Posted on 4/7/14 at 11:15 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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I know string theory is a poor place to look but they do run into many situations in which infinity is represented. There was also a recent debate whether or not the universe could have started, or if it necessitated starting at all.
Each time infinity is reached, the physicist must back up and go in another direction with his math. It was the infinity factor, in fact, that caused the meshing of the 5 String Theories of the 1980s into the current M Theory.
None of the competing 5 theories could push past the Big Bang and hypothesize what existed before the BB. When extra dimensions were proposed, suddenly it was apparent that all five theories were looking at the same subject, just from different perspectives. It took a total of 11 dimensions, including spacetime, to unify them but the result is the M Theory which takes us on a beautiful trip beyond the BB and into the multiverse.
Considering whether the universe, the multiverse or anything, for that matter, has a beginning or end is of no consequence when contemplating existence. It is as meaningless as considering "nothing" and "something." It's part of the human box in which our limited senses have us contained.
This post was edited on 4/7/14 at 11:21 pm
Posted on 4/7/14 at 11:24 pm to OMLandshark
quote:Yup. Shouldn't be shocking.
Don't tell me you believe in the ark as well, to where literally the whole world was flooded
Posted on 4/7/14 at 11:26 pm to NATidefan
quote:Yup, because devolution is consistent with a Biblical worldview. I don't believe evolution is consistent with that same worldview.
So it's ok for us to have devolved at some point, but not to evolve?
Posted on 4/7/14 at 11:28 pm to Kentucker
quote:That's quite the generalization. Care to elaborate?
No, you're the one fooling yourself, and others if they listen to you. I adhere to the scientific method. You rely on beliefs.
I rely on my beliefs to shape my worldview while you rely on your belief in naturalism and materialism to shape yours. The scientific method is wonderful when trying to understand how the natural world works, but as I said previously, it is limited to the natural world. My beliefs extend beyond what the scientific method is capable of studying.
Posted on 4/7/14 at 11:29 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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I totally agree. It's way, way too early in the ballgame to sit here and pretend like there won't be advances in physics, perception and even unforeseen changes. How many times have we had to reevaluate scale to quantify particles? How many times was it said: ____ IS THE SMALLEST THING EVER?
Does size matter? Probably not in the great scheme of things. We gaze out into the universe and say, "Wow, that's big!" We peer through an electron microscope at a hydrogen atom and say, "Wow, that's small!" We define things using the only senses we have and process information with the best computer we have, the brain. We are, to say the least, limited.
It's my opinion that we stand halfway between the largest structure and the smallest. In fact, I think every size is halfway between those structures. Just as every point in the universe can be said to be its center.
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