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re: I have a couple questions about science.....
Posted on 9/21/17 at 1:31 am to Kentucker
Posted on 9/21/17 at 1:31 am to Kentucker
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The following letter is one of the writings many Theists take as proof that Einstein believed in God:
January 24, 1936 Dear Phyllis, I will attempt to reply to your question as simply as I can. Here is my answer:
Scientists believe that every occurrence, including the affairs of human beings, is due to the laws of nature. Therefore a scientist cannot be inclined to believe that the course of events can be influenced by prayer, that is, by a supernaturally manifested wish. However, we must concede that our actual knowledge of these forces is imperfect, so that in the end the belief in the existence of a final, ultimate spirit rests on a kind of faith. Such belief remains widespread even with the current achievements in science. But also, everyone who is seriously involved in the pursuit of science becomes convinced that some spirit is manifest in the laws of the universe, one that is vastly superior to that of man. In this way the pursuit of science leads to a religious feeling of a special sort, which is surely quite different from the religiosity of someone more naive.
With cordial greetings, your A. Einstein
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Posted on 9/21/17 at 1:22 pm to LukeSidewalker
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I have repeatedly said that in my opinion the idea of a personal god is a childlike one. You may call me an agnostic, but I do not share the crusading spirit of the professional atheist whose fervor is mostly due to a painful act of liberation from the fetters of religious indoctrination received in youth. I prefer an attitude of humility corresponding to the weakness of our intellectual understanding of nature and of our own being. -- 1945
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My position concerning God is that of an agnostic. I am convinced that a vivid consciousness of the primary importance of moral principles for the betterment and ennoblement of life does not need the idea of a law-giver, especially a law-giver who works on the basis of reward and punishment. -- 1950
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Posted on 9/21/17 at 3:15 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
We all need laws.
Posted on 9/21/17 at 3:22 pm to LukeSidewalker
Apparently don't teach biology or genetics at UAT or wherever OP received his learning
Posted on 9/22/17 at 7:50 am to LukeSidewalker
I think the bigger question is why doesn't everyone believe like you that the world is flat and only 6,017 years old? Clearly your fictional book written by pervs thousand of years ago, has given you the knowledge over our retarded science dudes who rejects like Harvard and the likes actively hire. Maybe your god can give us more than just a bum arse son and a list of 10 things to show us about this universe. Or should everything still be a mystery? Like why your god chooses certain kids to die of cancer and why certain folks get denied the opportunity to learn about his son, so they get to burn in hell for eternity? Mysteries are good like that I suppose.
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Posted on 9/22/17 at 11:45 am to DawgGONIT
You're extremely mad?
I don't know why God does the things he does, but I do know there is one.
I don't know why God does the things he does, but I do know there is one.
This post was edited on 9/22/17 at 11:47 am
Posted on 9/22/17 at 3:10 pm to LukeSidewalker
Want to know how I know you voted for Trump?
Posted on 9/24/17 at 3:30 pm to Kentucker
quote:universal common descent is seriously problematic, to the extent that it has what i would consider to be several fatal flaws
We, apes, monkeys, lemurs, chimps and all other primates evolved from a common ancestor and branched into our separate species.
quote:another nonsense notion. a few people have tried to prove it but all they ended up doing was proving how unlikely it is
abiogenesis
quote:sure there is. plenty of it.
There is no evidence for God.
Posted on 9/24/17 at 3:41 pm to OMLandshark
quote:no they don't. that's the reason why the odds are described as astronomical. as in astronomically unlikely
Yeah, but astronomical odds happen all the time
quote:but you're saying this kind of thing happens "all the time." that's nonsense. it clearly does not.
Like your very existence is like one in near infinite
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And that happens hundreds of trillions of times over billions of years where it beats the odds eventually
that is not at all what happened or what he was talking aboutPosted on 9/24/17 at 3:48 pm to OMLandshark
quote:you are conflating the opportunity for it to occur and it actually occurring
that's still plenty of times and opportunities for it to occur.
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Sam Harris
just another knucklehead militant atheist with the customary wacked out notions. i'm glad you didn't say dawkins because that guy is the king of ducking a debate. i've personally seen dennett reduced to ashes in that type of forum.
Posted on 9/24/17 at 4:04 pm to Roger Klarvin
quote:funny. the term "understand" is so vague and broad, it can't possibly be used as any sort of "proof" of anything like you are trying to do.
The Earth is proof of God's existence only to those who don't understand the Earth
quote:usually said by someone who is uninitiated on the topic
Arguing that the Earth or Universe in and of themselves are proof of the Christian God is nonsensical.
Posted on 9/24/17 at 4:07 pm to Roger Klarvin
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The Earth is not a closed system as both energy and matter come and go. The Earth has a constant infusion of external energy from the sun for instance. it adheres to the physical rules of the universe without exception.
The entropy of the universe as a whole is always increasing, because the universe taken as a whole is a closed system
the earth is in the universe. therefore, the notion of trying to separate out the earth from the rest of the universe to describe it as an "open" system is silly. in general, the entire system (including the earth) is closed. yet, life within the system has absolutely become MORE complex. that requires an explanation, not a blithe dismissal
Posted on 9/24/17 at 4:11 pm to Kentucker
quote:"such a."
religion is such a negative influence on humanity
interesting and unsubstantiated qualifier. christians have been the greatest force for good in the history of the world. no group of people has sacrificed more for others, even in the face of their own peril. no group has built more hospitals, schools, humanitarian aid, etc.
quote:like the nuclear bomb?
Science has the opposite effect
quote:scientists are people. they are as corruptible as anyone and it has happened countless times.
Nothing is excluded from research.
Posted on 9/24/17 at 4:15 pm to LukeSidewalker
quote:there are WAY more scientists who actually believe this than don't. he was wrong.
Therefore a scientist cannot be inclined to believe that the course of events can be influenced by prayer,
quote:only ignorant believers would describe/execute prayer like this
a supernaturally manifested wish
Posted on 9/24/17 at 4:17 pm to DawgGONIT
quote:typical. criticizing something you don't understand. if this is your characterization of christianity, then you know basically nothing about it. but carry on
I think the bigger question is why doesn't everyone believe like you that the world is flat and only 6,017 years old? Clearly your fictional book written by pervs thousand of years ago, has given you the knowledge over our retarded science dudes who rejects like Harvard and the likes actively hire. Maybe your god can give us more than just a bum arse son and a list of 10 things to show us about this universe. Or should everything still be a mystery? Like why your god chooses certain kids to die of cancer and why certain folks get denied the opportunity to learn about his son, so they get to burn in hell for eternity? Mysteries are good like that I suppose.
Posted on 9/24/17 at 8:07 pm to bfniii
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universal common descent is seriously problematic, to the extent that it has what i would consider to be several fatal flaws
Without any explanation, this amounts to an assertion. Assertions only take up space.
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another nonsense notion. a few people have tried to prove it but all they ended up doing was proving how unlikely it is
You seem to consistently discount scientific research. This makes you blind to progress. I don't know if you have any formal education in biochemistry, but I doubt that you do. I'll offer this anyway, hoping that you'll at least see the direction that abiogenesis research is taking.
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sure there is. plenty of it.
Yet you don't offer any. If it's religious based, then you surely recognize that it's self-generated.
Posted on 9/24/17 at 8:16 pm to bfniii
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christians have been the greatest force for good in the history of the world. no group of people has sacrificed more for others, even in the face of their own peril. no group has built more hospitals, schools, humanitarian aid, etc.
From another perspective: Christians have been the greatest force for evil in the history of the world. No group of people has sacrificed more people in the name of religion. No group has destroyed more hospitals, schools, etc. in the name of God.
One's view of Christianity depends upon whether he's a proponent for or victim of its spread.
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like the nuclear bomb?
You're not serious, surely.
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scientists are people. they are as corruptible as anyone and it has happened countless times.
People are corruptible. Science isn't. Science is nature and it supercedes people.
Posted on 9/24/17 at 9:24 pm to LukeSidewalker
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If we evolved from apes or monkeys or whatever some claim, then how come monkeys and apes and gorillas are not still evolving? Why are they still a species? Huh?
And to those that believe we originated from a single cell or whatever(the Big Bang), have you ever seen a newborn? Please explain to me how a new born raised itself from a single cell to be a grown human.
I know some will claim to have answers, but to me, it's way crazier to believe in any of that crap, then believing in God.
You can't really be this stupid. So, I refuse to fall for your trolling here.
Posted on 9/24/17 at 9:49 pm to bfniii
"For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us being saved it is the power of God." 1 Corinthians 1:18.
To be atheistic is to believe we come from nothing, we mean nothing, and we're going no where.
To be atheistic is to believe we come from nothing, we mean nothing, and we're going no where.
Posted on 9/25/17 at 12:06 am to Perfect Circle
Actually, being atheistic just means a person lacks a belief in the existence of God. Nothing else.
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