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re: How Mjnorities can gain their "privilege"
Posted on 5/30/14 at 8:20 pm to Mizzeaux
Posted on 5/30/14 at 8:20 pm to Mizzeaux
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Like I said, I'll let you know when I get some benefit.
Like I said, it's easy to not perceive privilege when you are privileged.
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ETA: Yes, I know, tell me how tough it is to be a white man.
As a white man, it's pretty goddamn easy.
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Posted on 5/30/14 at 8:20 pm to Vols&Shaft83
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YOU, my guilty white friend, have admitted to being born into a wealthy family and having the silver spoon up your arse. THEREFOR, trust fund baby, you have no business being in this thread whatsoever. SHUT THE frick UP.
Why? Why should my privilege preclude me from discussing privilege?
Posted on 5/30/14 at 8:21 pm to Vols&Shaft83
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DC may feel guilty about being a spoiled white shite
Where did I say I feel guilty? What guilt do I feel? Please tell me. Thanks.
Posted on 5/30/14 at 8:25 pm to Vols&Shaft83
Maybe he'll actually get banned this time.... He got off scott free when he made an avi of me for the MSU posters to use on here.
Posted on 5/30/14 at 8:29 pm to DCRebel
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Where did I say I feel guilty? What guilt do I feel? Please tell me. Thanks.
Your response to me was pretty obvious.
My mother lived in a tent and my father was an adopted orphan and now I'm a (49%) business owner due 100% to my own hard work. My progress is dismissed by you due to my "privilege" of being white.
If I was of a "disadvantaged class" I'd be a success story. Instead, in your opinion, I should be searching for something in my past that I should feel guilty for. That seems pretty apparent.
ETA: I know nothing about you, so I understand. I'm guessing you're in school or fresh out of school. Give it some real world time. You'll get it.
This post was edited on 5/30/14 at 8:30 pm
Posted on 5/30/14 at 8:31 pm to Mizzeaux
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Isn't it funny to anyone else that a somewhat reasonable post with racial undertones, yet pretty decent points, devolved into a thread about whether or not the dude that said the shite is a racist?
This is how arguments work today. If you can't argue the points, call the person who made the valid points a racist piece of shite. Then they're on the defensive and you don't have to admit that it really is a simple formula for success in this country and that said formula is only slightly affected by racism.
Posted on 5/30/14 at 8:32 pm to DCRebel
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Why? Why should my privilege preclude me from discussing privilege?
People on your side of the fence think so -- furthermore your race is seemingly more important than your thoughts as an individual.
Posted on 5/30/14 at 8:33 pm to DCRebel
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Like I said, it's easy to not perceive privilege when you are privileged.
This is the "invisible cat" argument. And it's stupid.
"There's an invisible cat in that chair."
"I don't see anything."
"And that's exactly what you should expect to see."
And that's how dumb your argument sounds.
Posted on 5/30/14 at 8:34 pm to the808bass
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This is how arguments work today. If you can't argue the points, call the person who made the valid points a racist piece of shite.
Yep, but only if he's a member of the privileged white group. Anyone else can say whatever they want.
I'm not a racist by any means, but this whole thing is turning pretty fricking dumb, and if not for white guilt and political correctness it could become a real issue. I imagine it will in the future.
Posted on 5/30/14 at 8:35 pm to Mizzeaux
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Your response to me was pretty obvious.
How so. Please elaborate.
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My mother lived in a tent and my father was an adopted orphan and now I'm a (49%) business owner due 100% to my own hard work. My progress is dismissed by you due to my "privilege" of being white.
It's not dismissed, but I can see how you'd feel it diminished.
And I'd disagree about "100% your own hard work," but I don't know you so I'll just let you have that one.
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Instead, in your opinion, I should be searching for something in my past that I should feel guilty for. That seems pretty apparent.
I'm really not sure how you glean that from what I have written.
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ETA: I know nothing about you, so I understand. I'm guessing you're in school or fresh out of school. Give it some real world time. You'll get it.
I'd wager that I'm older than you think I am.
And, regarding guilt, I don't feel guilty for anything, because I haven't done anything wrong. That doesn't mean that I cannot perceive that our society disproportionately benefits white males. As a while male, I don't feel like I'm to blame for this or anything; I'm simply stating what I observe.
Posted on 5/30/14 at 8:36 pm to DCRebel
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Where did I say I feel guilty? What guilt do I feel? Please tell me. Thanks.
I don't understand spoiled white shite guilt, so I can't explain it. But you were born into privilege because of your family's wealth, not your skin color.
Posted on 5/30/14 at 8:36 pm to Mizzeaux
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I'm not a racist by any means, but this whole thing is turning pretty fricking dumb, and if not for white guilt and political correctness it could become a real issue. I imagine it will in the future.
The boy who cried racist will figure out the consequences of it eventually.
Posted on 5/30/14 at 8:36 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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People on your side of the fence think so
Odd that you'd say that about people on "my side" (whatever that is) given what I've said.
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furthermore your race is seemingly more important than your thoughts as an individual.
It shouldn't be. It should be insignificant. Unfortunately, in many cases and instances it isn't.
Posted on 5/30/14 at 8:40 pm to DCRebel
My message to the entire thread
Posted on 5/30/14 at 8:41 pm to Vols&Shaft83
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I don't understand spoiled white shite guilt, so I can't explain it.
Well shite, then I guess we're all gonna leave this conversation not knowing what it is that you're trying to convince me that I feel.
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But you were born into privilege because of your family's wealth, not your skin color.
Why does it have to be either or? Can they not be somehow related (hint: they are).
And my parents got great educations, worked hard (they're old and retired now - they've earned it), paid their taxes, obeyed the law, and have lived great lives. But that doesn't somehow mean that they weren't successful in a system and society that does favor them.
Posted on 5/30/14 at 8:41 pm to Rebelgator
You're right. I will. I'm going to the bar anyway.
Posted on 5/30/14 at 8:43 pm to DCRebel
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Odd that you'd say that about people on "my side" (whatever that is) given what I've said.
Supporters of the idea of "white privilege".
There are two words in this phrase -- one is privilege.
The other is white. This is an association that a person's racial makeup is more of a determiner of success (statistically speaking) than the individual.
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It shouldn't be. It should be insignificant. Unfortunately, in many cases and instances it isn't.
Unfortunately, because we still have retarded things like "white privilege" which focuses solely on race and not economic status -- which is the driving factor in the United States.
Posted on 5/30/14 at 8:44 pm to DCRebel
So put that in your juicebox and suck it.
--Double post, had to think of something to put here.
--Double post, had to think of something to put here.
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Posted on 5/30/14 at 8:47 pm to DCRebel
Wasn't directed at you specifically. 
Posted on 5/30/14 at 8:50 pm to DCRebel
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That doesn't mean that I cannot perceive that our society disproportionately benefits white males. As a while male, I don't feel like I'm to blame for this or anything; I'm simply stating what I observe.
Right, I can see that. I'm telling you that, in my life, my whiteness has brought issues. My brand new high school was going to be "too white" so we got the opportunity to experience diversity when the inner city school was turned into a magnet school and became 30% white. That seems like a disadvantage.
Let's go back to elementary school, I got send to the old inner city elementary school because they closed the inner city schools and bused the inner city school kids to "white" schools. The trade off was that you had to go to an inner city school for 6th grade. Seems shitty.
I go in to car sales. I get hired because of a hook up (maybe privilege) because a 20 year old white dude doesn't generally do well in car sales. Eastern Europeans and African Americans are generally better at sales. (Stereotypes, oh no!) My managers were all minorities, and they probably should have been managers, they were all good at their jobs. I work my way up in the ranks, not because I'm white, but because I learn the business, I learn the product, and I can best develop the talent to sell more. I get passed up twice for promotions because the corporation I worked for wanted to promote diversity, and the car sales world isn't diverse (all male.) I finally get the job and I save that money I made in management.
I finally get my shot, after leaving the corporation, and do well. I save my money, get out of debt, and move on.
Take the savings, start a business because I hate the car business.
Get everything going, want to work with a governmental entity to increase business. Get passed up by a company with a minority owner with a substandard (in my, and most other people's opinion) product.
Give the extra 1% ownership to my fiance. She's a woman (disadvtanged) and latina (disadvantaged) person. Suddenly, we're the hottest shite in the world. Funny how that works.
There is literally a disadvantaged class for everyone except a white male that isn't a veteran. That all comes into account in government contracts.
So, given my parent's upbringing, my schooling, my career progression, my business, where did I ever advantage from being a white dude?
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