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re: How Mjnorities can gain their "privilege"
Posted on 5/30/14 at 9:48 am to UMTigerRebel
Posted on 5/30/14 at 9:48 am to UMTigerRebel
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Yeah, I still don't feel like I am at a disadvantage being white in this city
Whites are typically known for not giving a shite about their surroundings and not making everything into a race article.
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Posted on 5/30/14 at 9:49 am to Alahunter
However, and I mean this sincerely, racism still exists and still causes harm. I suspect it will always exist, and will always cause harm. Accusing an entire race of having "privilege" is going to have the opposite of the intended effect. Don't tell me to feel guilty for my life, you don't fricking know me.
Posted on 5/30/14 at 9:50 am to Alahunter
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There is ample opportunity to be successful in the U.S.. No matter what color you are, no matter your birth circumstances. It boils down to how willing someone is to work for it and sacrifice for it. And their ability to make wise decisions. It's that simple. Elbow grease and decision making is what makes people successful or failures. It has nothing to do with their skin color. Attitude and work ethic.
all that is true except that getting in the door is based on first impressions, connections, and being able to impress upon someone that you will be a good fit for their company culture. Being in the majority aids in that to some degree.
Nobody ever said it was an excuse for all problems, but it does exist.
Posted on 5/30/14 at 9:50 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Some do, most don't. I do service work and have many customers in predominately black areas, Ensley, Fairfield and Bessemer. None of my customers are white. My "white privilege" didn't get me doing business with those folks. My reputation to perform a superior service for them, my professional appearance and my pleasantness and respect for them and their homes are what got me their business.
Posted on 5/30/14 at 9:51 am to the808bass
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I suspect you are as clueless of the obstacles poor white people face as white people are of the obstacles you face.
white person here with a mountain of student loan debt.
Posted on 5/30/14 at 9:53 am to cokebottleag
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Don't tell me to feel guilty for my life, you don't fricking know me.
I don't think it's something white folks should feel guilty about. I certainly don't feel guilty, but I do recognize my race afforded me some privileges that my black friends did not have. Like someone said earlier, it's more about the benefit of the doubt I was given in some situations than it is about opportunities I've had to succeed.
Posted on 5/30/14 at 9:53 am to CheeseburgerEddie
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Being in the majority aids in that to some degree.
Lets go back to job interview examples then.
A white guy with tats down his arm and an earring, tshirt shows up for an interview for an office position, but education wise is qualified for the position.
A black guy dressed in business suit, no tats, no earrings and the exact same qualifications comes in for the same position.
Who do you think gets the job?
9 out of 10 times, I'm betting it would be the black guy.
Why?
Because he respected the interview, the interviewer, the company and showed that he cared about the job being advertised.
Posted on 5/30/14 at 9:54 am to CheeseburgerEddie
I grew up a poor white boy in Mississippi.
Posted on 5/30/14 at 9:54 am to Alahunter
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Ensley, Fairfield and Bessemer.
pillars of the American economic system right there.
Posted on 5/30/14 at 9:57 am to CheeseburgerEddie
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getting in the door is based on first impressions
Dress and appearance, not color of skin affects this more than not.
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connections
Choices people make throughout life affects their future. This is not a race thing, it's how you choose to act in society and who you choose to be friends with.
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, and being able to impress upon someone that you will be a good fit for their company culture.
Companies want to make money. That's the bottom line.
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Nobody ever said it was an excuse for all problems, but it does exist.
Not nearly to the degree as some make it out to.
Posted on 5/30/14 at 9:59 am to CheeseburgerEddie
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Ensley, Fairfield and Bessemer.
pillars of the American economic system right there
All overwhelmingly black populated. But they chose a white guy to come into their homes to do work for them. Was it because of white privilege? No. It was because I do a damn good job and respectful to people.
Posted on 5/30/14 at 9:59 am to Alahunter
well see right there you introduced a bunch of different variables.
How about white guy and black guy, same level of academic achievement, both good work experience and all that. Not saying that every single time it will be the white guy, maybe 6/10, maybe 51/100. But there will be some degree of difference due to a number of factors and not necessarily because hiring guy is a racist.
How about white guy and black guy, same level of academic achievement, both good work experience and all that. Not saying that every single time it will be the white guy, maybe 6/10, maybe 51/100. But there will be some degree of difference due to a number of factors and not necessarily because hiring guy is a racist.
Posted on 5/30/14 at 9:59 am to CheeseburgerEddie
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white person here with a mountain of student loan debt.
Liberal arts major? NTTAWT
Posted on 5/30/14 at 10:00 am to CheeseburgerEddie
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well see right there you introduced a bunch of different variables.
As did you in your scenario.
Posted on 5/30/14 at 10:00 am to CheeseburgerEddie
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I suspect you are as clueless of the obstacles poor white people face as white people are of the obstacles you face.
white person here with a mountain of student loan debt
Did you turn in your Special Privileges Honky Hootenany Hodown card? They still gave you debt in spite of it?
Posted on 5/30/14 at 10:01 am to CheeseburgerEddie
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How about white guy and black guy, same level of academic achievement, both good work experience and all that. Not saying that every single time it will be the white guy, maybe 6/10, maybe 51/100. But there will be some degree of difference due to a number of factors and not necessarily because hiring guy is a racist.
Keep your scenario, but make the guy hiring, a black guy. Think it will still be a 6/10 ratio the white guy is hired?
Posted on 5/30/14 at 10:03 am to Alahunter
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Some do, most don't. I do service work and have many customers in predominately black areas, Ensley, Fairfield and Bessemer. None of my customers are white. My "white privilege" didn't get me doing business with those folks. My reputation to perform a superior service for them, my professional appearance and my pleasantness and respect for them and their homes are what got me their business.
Some do, of course, but the vast majority of whites go on with their daily lives not caring about race or their neighborhood.
Posted on 5/30/14 at 10:03 am to Alahunter
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No. It was because I do a damn good job and respectful to people.
ok, last example and I am done. Lets say a black guy does a damn good and is respectful to people as well. Both of you show up to talk with owner about building a deck (I have no idea what you do just first thing that came to mind). Black guy is likely able to shoot the shite with the owner quicker and easier and thus form a bond because he is from the same culture. As a result he gets picked for the work. Not a "silver spoon" advantage as he still had to work for it, but an advantage nonetheless.
Posted on 5/30/14 at 10:04 am to Alahunter
That's not really comparing apples to apples. All things being equal, a white manager would probably gravitate towards hiring someone perceived to be more like him, and a black manager would do the same.
Eddie's pointing out that whites are the majority in this country, and white people have some advantages because of that.
Eddie's pointing out that whites are the majority in this country, and white people have some advantages because of that.
Posted on 5/30/14 at 10:04 am to the808bass
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Liberal arts major?
Got a Bachelor of Science and am paying it off just fine. don't know what NTTAWT means.
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