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re: HBO too gay?
Posted on 4/18/14 at 1:07 pm to Charlestondawg
Posted on 4/18/14 at 1:07 pm to Charlestondawg
Idk but HBO has the best movies and shows... Well showtime has some good ones too
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Posted on 4/18/14 at 1:09 pm to FooManChoo
If gay people don't choose to be gay, it isn't any different. The circumstances are, but not the state of being.
Posted on 4/18/14 at 1:10 pm to FooManChoo
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why TV networks seem to have homosexual characters in so many TV shows compared to how they are represented in the general populous.
"So many?"
There was one on the Sopranos that I can remember, one on the Wire, one in GoT...
That doesn't seem like many.
In my experience I'd say that if anything they're underrepresented by HBO. I knew gays in High School, in College and in every unit I've ever been in with in the Military. Open homosexuals may be uncommon in town-with-no-stoplight Georgia/Colorado but not in the rest of the world.
People need to GTF over it. Homosexuality has always been around and can be found (whether open or closeted) in just about any group or community. HBO showing part of the human condition isn't that big of a deal. If it bothers you than unsubscribe.
This post was edited on 4/18/14 at 1:17 pm
Posted on 4/18/14 at 2:07 pm to Roger Klarvin
quote:I'd rather not get into the choice or no-choice aspect of it here, but I don't think the groups can be compared in the same way regardless of the "choice" aspect. The only thing that compares is that they are both groups of people that have been treated badly by other groups of people. You can make that comparison with many other groups.
If gay people don't choose to be gay, it isn't any different. The circumstances are, but not the state of being
But when you get down to the details of the how and the why, it isn't really comparable, IMO. I'm surprised more blacks that were alive during the civil rights era don't speak out more against the comparison.
Posted on 4/18/14 at 2:10 pm to KSGamecock
quote:My remarks weren't relegated to HBO. It seems that every new sitcom or reality show that comes out now has at least one gay character. That's why I said TV networks (plural), rather than calling out HBO, specifically.
"So many?"
There was one on the Sopranos that I can remember, one on the Wire, one in GoT...
Posted on 4/18/14 at 2:12 pm to FooManChoo
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I'm surprised more blacks that were alive during the civil rights era don't speak out more against the comparison.
I know that that particular comparison irks me greatly.
Posted on 4/18/14 at 2:23 pm to FooManChoo
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But when you get down to the details of the how and the why, it isn't really comparable, IMO. I'm surprised more blacks that were alive during the civil rights era don't speak out more against the comparison.
I have explicitly said in the past, and in this thread, that I wasn't comparing the circumstances. Gays do NOT have it as bad as blacks did by any stretch.
That being said, I don't believe either state to be a choice.
Posted on 4/18/14 at 2:38 pm to Roger Klarvin
quote:That's fine but then to say it's the same thing (comparing gays to blacks) loses a lot of its meaning. There are a lot of groups that can be compared in very broad terms to what blacks went through, but when people draw upon the civil rights movement of the 60's in order to make a comparison to what is happening with homosexuals today, I think it's rather disingenuous and does a disservice to the civil rights movement.
I have explicitly said in the past, and in this thread, that I wasn't comparing the circumstances. Gays do NOT have it as bad as blacks did by any stretch.
And when others (even in this thread) make comments about being prejudiced and stupid based on that comparison, it sends a mixed message. But perhaps you and these other people aren't meaning the same things by making the comparison. That's why defining what you mean by it is important, which it seems you have, but others haven't.
quote:Cool beans. That's a different topic altogether.
That being said, I don't believe either state to be a choice.
Posted on 4/18/14 at 2:53 pm to FooManChoo
The severity of the discrimination doesn't change the core concept.
Yes, gays are advocating for "new" rights as opposed to equal rights. In that sense it isn't the same thing. However, the reality is that they are prevented from doing something ONLY because a segment of the population views them as in someway different. In the case of blacks, it was people saw them as inferior. In the case of gays, it is that people see them as deviants.
The circumstances are different but at its core its still people resisting a movement because of a belief that the other group is in someway different and undeserving of certain things.
In order to show a true, conceptual difference you have to delve into the religious reasons why people are against gays and then say that because the objection is of divine origin it is inherently different. That is an argument that just cant be allowed to occur in the creation of American legislation because it violates the constitution.
Yes, gays are advocating for "new" rights as opposed to equal rights. In that sense it isn't the same thing. However, the reality is that they are prevented from doing something ONLY because a segment of the population views them as in someway different. In the case of blacks, it was people saw them as inferior. In the case of gays, it is that people see them as deviants.
The circumstances are different but at its core its still people resisting a movement because of a belief that the other group is in someway different and undeserving of certain things.
In order to show a true, conceptual difference you have to delve into the religious reasons why people are against gays and then say that because the objection is of divine origin it is inherently different. That is an argument that just cant be allowed to occur in the creation of American legislation because it violates the constitution.
Posted on 4/18/14 at 3:35 pm to Roger Klarvin
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In order to show a true, conceptual difference you have to delve into the religious reasons why people are against gays
Why does religion have to be a reason people are against gays? And what does "against" mean? This is part of the problem
Posted on 4/18/14 at 3:39 pm to Charlestondawg
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Why does religion have to be a reason people are against gays?
You're right, it really isn't the reason. Gays make people uncomfortable and more so for the more "conservative minded" folks and they are typically religious. People who are more socially conservative are generally more anti-gay and more religious.
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what does "against" mean? This is part of the problem
Generally "against" means people who don't believe they should have the right to marry and those who are uncomfortable with seeing homosexuality more open in society.
Posted on 4/18/14 at 3:44 pm to Roger Klarvin
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In order to show a true, conceptual difference you have to delve into the religious reasons why people are against gays and then say that because the objection is of divine origin it is inherently different. That is an argument that just cant be allowed to occur in the creation of American legislation because it violates the constitution.
Even if it weren't in violation of the constitution, using religion to justify a dislike of gays is hypocritical at best.
The bible doesn't place any sin over any other sin. There's no difference, per the bible, in being gay, divorce, murder, theft, or coveting your nieghbor's ox or arse.
Not many christian's are railing against divorce. Many of them get a hard on over soldiers killing "them damned arabs." Many covet what the others from the church have... which had turned many churches into a social scene where they can brag about every little thing and judge others for what they may or may not have.
But yeah, dislike of gays is justified.
Posted on 4/18/14 at 3:50 pm to FooManChoo
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Cool beans. That's a different topic altogether.
It's no more of a topic than gravity or evolution. It's just fact. Gay people aren't gay by choice.
Posted on 4/18/14 at 3:52 pm to FooManChoo
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My remarks weren't relegated to HBO. It seems that every new sitcom or reality show that comes out now has at least one gay character.
The New Girl, Mindy Project, Parks and Rec, Community... I'm on Hulu right now scrolling, and outside of Modern Family I can't find one.
Posted on 4/18/14 at 3:53 pm to Hardy_Har
Taking this for the sig quote. Hope no one else has done it already
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No baby has ever been born scissorfricking.. Just like being fat. You eat a cookie, you suck a dick..
Choices.
Posted on 4/18/14 at 4:01 pm to TeLeFaWx
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Parks and Rec
Posted on 4/18/14 at 4:01 pm to Rebelgator
O yeah that guy is gay as frick.
Posted on 4/18/14 at 4:02 pm to TeLeFaWx
He's annoying as frick.
Posted on 4/18/14 at 4:04 pm to Charlestondawg
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Why does religion have to be a reason people are against gays?
Because it's the only defensible reason that exists. Sure there are just blind bigots, but they don't have a position they try to defend like the religious do.
Without religious opposition, there is no gay marriage debate.
Posted on 4/18/14 at 4:06 pm to CatFan81
I agree cat, if they were consistent they'd be advocating for legislation against fornication and divorce.
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