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Do We Live in a Simulated Universe?

Posted on 1/12/18 at 10:50 pm
Posted by BoarEd
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Posted on 1/12/18 at 10:50 pm
It's an interesting question that has been posed by thinkers going all the way back to Plato. I hear that we have science nerds these days trying to find ways to test this hypothesis, but I think the answer is staring us all in the face this very moment. Our computers.

There is an experiment being ran right now I believe where some nerds are trying to simulate a universe in a laboratory. So, the question is, will our computers ever be advanced enough to simulate a universe with enough detail that the simulated life forms are self aware? I think they will. And at that point, I think it becomes a mathematical probability that we, too, live inside a simulation just like the one we are seeking to create.

Posted by Kentucker
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Posted on 1/12/18 at 11:49 pm to
Posted by Rambler
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Posted on 1/13/18 at 12:06 am to
Yes, we do, and I'm the guy in charge of the simulation. So you better watch your arse or I'll delete your file.

Seriously, I read a book many years ago entitled Simulacron 3, which is an early and interesting take on the possibility. Wikipedia
Posted by StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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Posted on 1/13/18 at 12:31 am to
We've already begun the transition into our next stage of evolution -- androids. It's not too farfetched we'll have programs so advanced that we'll even be able to trick it into thinking that it's all real.

We already do everything we possibly can to escape the agony of existence, so hopefully it will come to the point where we can and that we do not slip into the aether when it comes time to choose the future of our realm and race.
Posted by Dawgholio
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Posted on 1/13/18 at 6:42 am to
So like the Matrix?
Posted by BoarEd
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Posted on 1/13/18 at 9:57 am to
quote:

So like the Matrix?


Pretty much.
Posted by BoarEd
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Posted on 1/13/18 at 10:04 am to
From your own link:

quote:

While achieving this on classical computers is impossible, the research does not entirely rule out that an effective method for massive-scale simulations might one day be possible through advances in ultra-powerful quantum computers,
Posted by Kentucker
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Posted on 1/13/18 at 10:50 am to
And the followng paragraph says

quote:

The reason that such algorithms have yet to be discovered, Ringel and Kovrizhin argue, is that they are currently outside the realm of what can currently be imagined within the laws of theoretical physics. For now, the simulation hypothesis will have to remain within the scope of science fiction.


In the paragraph you quoted:

quote:

effective method for massive-scale simulations might one day be possible



Anything is possible. It's just that most things are improbable.



Posted by BoarEd
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Posted on 1/13/18 at 10:59 am to
Nobody is saying someone is going to be able to get on their Dell brand desktop and code a simulation capable of producing self aware people on a simulated Earth.

It's obviously going to take a leap in computer technology to get to that point. But I'm confident we will get there.

I don't think it is improbable in the least, either.
Posted by TheDeathValley
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Posted on 1/13/18 at 2:29 pm to
You started ten shifty threads today alone
Posted by Paul B Ammer
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Posted on 1/13/18 at 5:25 pm to
What BoarEd proposes would called an *open ended* simulation. This simulation has no outside constraints.

However, no *open ended* simulation can ever become reality. Because reality would then be an *open ended* simulation ...
Posted by BoarEd
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Posted on 1/13/18 at 7:21 pm to
And yet, here "reality" is. Open ended.
Posted by BoarEd
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Posted on 1/13/18 at 7:34 pm to
There's also the idea that we live within a natural, holographic reality. No God even intended.

Wherein, our universe (what we can see of it), exists beyond the event horizon on the inside wall of a black hole. The result is a hologram. But how do we make sense of this hologram if our consciousness is local?
Posted by Paul B Ammer
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Posted on 1/14/18 at 9:03 pm to
You have answered your own question.

The universe on the macro scale seems to have no constraints-at least the observable part we can view and analyze.

There may be constraints on the quantum level since we are limited in our ability to observe events that occur beneath a certain point in quantum mechanics.

For example were I to separate the two down quarks and the one up quark that compose a neutron, I would never be able see them. The energy of the photon of light used to actually view them would be enough to cause the particles to immediately recombine.
Posted by BoarEd
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Posted on 1/14/18 at 10:38 pm to
So yes, it's a hologram.

And is somehow governed. It's the Supraconsciousness we refer to as God.
This post was edited on 1/14/18 at 10:40 pm
Posted by Kentucker
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Posted on 1/14/18 at 10:40 pm to
Jesus.
Posted by BoarEd
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Posted on 1/14/18 at 10:46 pm to
That's the other thread, man.

Posted by Kentucker
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Posted on 1/14/18 at 10:53 pm to
I'm still trying to decide if you actually hold fast to some of the incredible unscientific statements you're making or if you're just fantasying at your keyboard.
Posted by BoarEd
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Posted on 1/14/18 at 11:01 pm to
Posted by Kentucker
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Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 1/14/18 at 11:16 pm to
I, too, went through a period of my life wherein I considered the validity of the paranormal and the supernatural. Luckily I already had a good science background and, using the scientific method as my sword, I cut through the murkiness and found that reductionism is the only way to find out how something works. When I apply that tool to a paranormal or supernatural concept, it always reveals a human construct.
This post was edited on 1/14/18 at 11:17 pm
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