re: BJJ Competitions, and why I hate them.

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I felt the same and the 2 primary respondents in this thread who seem to know something about it both failed in educating the rest of us.

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I wouldn't be interested in someone's response who didn't know what the initials meant, as we're talking about the specifics and technicalities of the 'sport'.

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You seem to be a really awful conversationalist with some legitimate ego problems, which is usually under more control by someone who's practiced the art.

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Dude, stop trying to psychologically analyze me, lol. You're way off base.

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If I posted this thread on a BJJ site you'd be laughed at.

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There are also legitimate BJJ guys on Youtube who say the same thing I do -- slams are a part of the sport, and should be permitted if you're going to pull flying guards. It's just an opinion -- it would be better to counter it with an actual argument, rather than just refer back to your perception.

An example of actually making an argument would be: Takedowns (slams) are permitted, except in a single case -- flying guard pulls.

Why is it technically unsound? Because someone can just slam you on your head. What should a martial art do when it has a technically unsound technique? My answer is ban it, your answer is continue to use it.

That's why you're not following the conversation.

That's why when I say I understand the rules for leg locks, bicep slicers and neck cranks -- because there's legitimately very few ways to resist without breaking -- but say that you can do the same for slams from a flying guard.

Also there are some people on the thread you showed who said the exact same thing I did.

We're just two different types of grapplers -- I'm realistic, you're sport.

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Except we're not talking about what type of grapplers we are.

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You literally have told me several times that I must not grapple, or after a few arm locks I think I'm an expert grappler.

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We're talking about the sport of BJJ in a competition setting.

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I need you to respond to this specifically.

You've seen the three times that I've mentioned that there are legitimate removals of techniques at lower levels like leglocks, neck cranks and bicep slicers?

Won't say anything after this, because I fricking get the difference between sport and real life, I'm telling you that those are too difficult to avoid because they're so fast and that slams are easily avoidable so why not just teach your students to avoid slams rather than outlaw a legitimate technique? What's the difference between me dropping you on your head with an uchi mata and a slam aside from the position? Your head is still being spiked.

But don't forget to answer that I have clearly demonstrated the dangers of certain moves, thanks.

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How is that a response to what I said? Weird.

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You've seen the three times that I've mentioned that there are legitimate removals of techniques at lower levels like leglocks, neck cranks and bicep slicers?

EDIT: At this point you're either autistic or intellectually dishonest.

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I wouldn't be interested in someone's response who didn't know what the initials meant, as we're talking about the specifics and technicalities of the 'sport'.

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Again, if it is a sport, why is it on the OT board?

RA to move it to MSB and let them sort it out!

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Except we're not talking about what type of grapplers we are.

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what you're saying is absurd and an indication that you don't know anything about jiu jitsu

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Your repeated bragging about your experience in grappling is a good indication of your ego in overdrive.

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Your entire vibe is off for BJJ. You are a force guy and you don't like a limitation of force. That was a nice way of saying you're a douchebag.

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I think you wanted to let everyone know you grapple

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even if you've dabbled in some arm locks.

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You're autistic, for real.

''We're not talking about what kind of grapplers we are...''

After you use all of those lines in the same conversation.

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I put ''sport'' as 'sport'.

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Wiki says it sport and it is full contact

Says its roots are Judo, which is a sport

Polo (calvary) and soccer (infantry) are former military based but now are $$$$ based. If this was still only practiced by a bunch of eastern monks in some impossible to get to location, I buy the martial "art" argument.

Bruce Lee and Karate Kid means it is an "art" no more and $$$$ has taken the lead.



Still does not explain why you have not put Brazilian jiu jitsu in the thread title for more clarity!

Since its inception in 1882, its parent art of judo was separated from older systems of Japanese jujutsu by an important difference that was passed on to Brazilian jiu-jitsu: it is not solely a martial art, but it is also a sport.

Per Wikipedia, your source.

You've displayed no ability to have a genuine discussion.

Rolling it back -- You said you're a real grappler and I'm a sport grappler. (I don't compete in BJJ anymore, btw, for the reason that I'm not interested in the sport aspect).

I replied that we're not talking about us as individuals because this thread is about the sport of BJJ in the setting of a competition -- so the type of grappler's we are as individuals is irrelevant to this discussion. I hope you see why.

You continue to not grasp the concept that BJJ is a skill within the skill of grappling. In a BJJ competition you're isolating the art of BJJ, which is a gentle and skilled art -- which makes forceful slamming something that shouldn't be rewarded.

I mean, this really isn't that difficult to understand. You seem to be unwilling to understand.

This 'debate' has not been close at all. This thread went horribly wrong for you. I realize that's difficult for you to deal with.

Dude i was going to say the exact same thing earlier re Sleeping Tiger.

But then i thought that BJJ wasn't a debate he would want to get involved in even though the form of the debate is very reminiscent of a Sleeping Tiger debate.