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BJJ Competitions, and why I hate them.
Posted on 9/18/16 at 12:39 am
Posted on 9/18/16 at 12:39 am
So, I'm not sure if I've ever said this but I'm a self-defense instructor and I teach a lot of grappling. I think the objective of learning a martial art or even mixed martial arts is to get the closest to combat you possibly can.
So my question is, to those who actively participate in BJJ Competitions/Tournaments, why outlaw slamming if takedowns are legal? Why not start off on the ground, or on your knees?
Disqualifications from BJJ Tournaments.
Oh, and avoid 18 - 35 seconds, someone's arm is broken and the sound is pretty awful.
So my question is, to those who actively participate in BJJ Competitions/Tournaments, why outlaw slamming if takedowns are legal? Why not start off on the ground, or on your knees?
Disqualifications from BJJ Tournaments.
Oh, and avoid 18 - 35 seconds, someone's arm is broken and the sound is pretty awful.
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Posted on 9/18/16 at 12:58 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
The same reason they outlaw punches and kicks, to protect from severe injuries. You could easily paralyze someone when you slam them from guard.
Posted on 9/18/16 at 1:05 am to Asaul
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The same reason they outlaw punches and kicks, to protect from severe injuries. You could easily paralyze someone when you slam them from guard.
So what do you do in a real fight when someone slams and stacks? Grab the leg, haul it in, De La Riva, abandon your guard.
Or just go full bitch and start on your knees, why even start standing?
Posted on 9/18/16 at 11:09 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Wrestle and take a striking discipline.
BJJ is gay.
BJJ is gay.
Posted on 9/18/16 at 12:58 pm to Tropic Lightning
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Wrestle and take a striking discipline.
BJJ is gay.
It's all gay until you get strangled with your own jacket and wake up smelling like piss.
Although wrestling is a good discipline, as well.
Posted on 9/18/16 at 6:17 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Under that logic why not allow punching?
Think of a BJJ competition like an arm wrestling match -- you can't start kicking the person you're arm wrestling, that would make it something other than an arm wrestling match.
BJJ is a specific martial art -- which is why the rules for the competition are specific to the art.
In BJJ gyms the teaching of more full combat and how it relates to jiu jitsu is covered all the time.
Think of a BJJ competition like an arm wrestling match -- you can't start kicking the person you're arm wrestling, that would make it something other than an arm wrestling match.
BJJ is a specific martial art -- which is why the rules for the competition are specific to the art.
In BJJ gyms the teaching of more full combat and how it relates to jiu jitsu is covered all the time.
Posted on 9/18/16 at 6:37 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Also, you may not understand the art of jiu jitsu and the people in those disqualification videos may not either.
The entire point of it is to bring little or no damage to the person you're submitting. It's a very respectful art that is supposed to play into a very balanced brain that doesn't ever get overly emotional or driven by adrenaline.
Body slamming is counter to the actual art of jiu jitsu.
The entire point of it is to bring little or no damage to the person you're submitting. It's a very respectful art that is supposed to play into a very balanced brain that doesn't ever get overly emotional or driven by adrenaline.
Body slamming is counter to the actual art of jiu jitsu.
Posted on 9/18/16 at 6:40 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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BJJ Competitions
What are these, clearly I thought this tread was heading in a much different direction.
Posted on 9/18/16 at 6:43 pm to Cheese Grits
Posted on 9/18/16 at 6:47 pm to Supreme Tiger
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Not everybody is a fan of an invasive search engine like Google.
HTH
Posted on 9/18/16 at 9:45 pm to Cheese Grits
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What are these
There's also a video in the OP.
Posted on 9/18/16 at 9:49 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Do you understand now?
Posted on 9/18/16 at 9:51 pm to Supreme Tiger
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Also, you may not understand the art of jiu jitsu and the people in those disqualification videos may not either.
Oh, I understand it -- as I said in the beginning I teach grappling and have participated in SAMBO, jiujitsu and wrestling.
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The entire point of it is to bring little or no damage to the person you're submitting. It's a very respectful art that is supposed to play into a very balanced brain that doesn't ever get overly emotional or driven by adrenaline.
It is a martial art...
Not simply an art. It's meant to make you better at fighting, the point is to hurt someone else -- hurting them permanently is different.
I understand with kneebars/heelhooks/picks, bicep slicers and neck cranks because the difference between pressure and breaking is just too little.
With getting slammed, it's so laughably easy to avoid it that it just makes no sense to outlaw it -- just don't do brazen tactics. If so many people get slammed that they can make a compilation of these retards getting concussions, well, stop training them that way.
Train them to abandon, attack the achilles when getting lifted, pull De La Riva, use your hips to disrupt your opponent's base -- there are so many ways to stop someone from slamming you (because essentially you're supporting your own weight with your legs).
Body slamming vs. any type of Judo isn't that different, they should just start on their knees.
Posted on 9/18/16 at 10:13 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Yeah, you're not getting it.
And sounds like you're not interested in getting it.
And sounds like you're not interested in getting it.
Posted on 9/18/16 at 10:28 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
..adding.
Love the part where you bolded 'martial' before 'art' when I said that in my first post -- the one you ignored because the points didn't have easy responses.
Nothing I think lesser of than someone who's more interested in responding than listening and having a real discussion.
Wax on, danielson.
Love the part where you bolded 'martial' before 'art' when I said that in my first post -- the one you ignored because the points didn't have easy responses.
Nothing I think lesser of than someone who's more interested in responding than listening and having a real discussion.
Wax on, danielson.
This post was edited on 9/18/16 at 10:39 pm
Posted on 9/18/16 at 11:35 pm to Supreme Tiger
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Under that logic why not allow punching?
Slamming is part of grappling.
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Think of a BJJ competition like an arm wrestling match -- you can't start kicking the person you're arm wrestling, that would make it something other than an arm wrestling match.
Slamming is part of grappling.
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BJJ is a specific martial art -- which is why the rules for the competition are specific to the art.
A martial art of grappling, of which slamming is apart of.
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In BJJ gyms the teaching of more full combat and how it relates to jiu jitsu is covered all the time.
Which is why when you compete, you should try to emulate what you can encounter in the real world while trying to remain loyal to the style.
Your argument is just paper thin, is all.
I get it, I told you I've been grappling a long time, I know jiujitsu and I understand the dangers of it (you ignored all of the technicalities that I addressed).
I get it, they have specific rules, I'm saying these rules aren't logical and dudes who get dropped on their heads are already retarded if they don't even know how to defend against it.
Posted on 9/19/16 at 12:20 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Slamming is generally not allowed in tournaments. You can take down,
The entire point of BJJ is technique and skill, not force.
It's the gentle art. Do you think that includes slamming someone on their head?
The point of competition is to display skill, not force.
What you're saying is ludicrous. Honestly. My ego totally detached -- what you're saying is absurd and an indication that you don't know anything about jiu jitsu on a cultural and theoretical level, even if you've dabbled in some arm locks.
Your repeated bragging about your experience in grappling is a good indication of your ego in overdrive.
Your entire vibe is off for BJJ. You are a force guy and you don't like a limitation of force. That was a nice way of saying you're a douchebag.
The rules aren't logical for real fights? Yeah. That's the point. It's a specific skill that's being acquired (and really, a skill within the skill of grappling). That's why mixed martial art athletes train in bjj, boxing, wrestling, kickbocking ect and then walk into octagons to incorporate all their learned skills.
The entire point of BJJ is technique and skill, not force.
It's the gentle art. Do you think that includes slamming someone on their head?
The point of competition is to display skill, not force.
What you're saying is ludicrous. Honestly. My ego totally detached -- what you're saying is absurd and an indication that you don't know anything about jiu jitsu on a cultural and theoretical level, even if you've dabbled in some arm locks.
Your repeated bragging about your experience in grappling is a good indication of your ego in overdrive.
Your entire vibe is off for BJJ. You are a force guy and you don't like a limitation of force. That was a nice way of saying you're a douchebag.
The rules aren't logical for real fights? Yeah. That's the point. It's a specific skill that's being acquired (and really, a skill within the skill of grappling). That's why mixed martial art athletes train in bjj, boxing, wrestling, kickbocking ect and then walk into octagons to incorporate all their learned skills.
This post was edited on 9/19/16 at 12:46 am
Posted on 9/19/16 at 7:14 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
this is how i read this
then saw
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BJ Competitions
then saw
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why I hate them.
Posted on 9/19/16 at 11:32 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Misread title, thread disappoints.
Posted on 9/19/16 at 11:44 am to Supreme Tiger
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Slamming is generally not allowed in tournaments. You can take down,
What's the difference, and why? All takedowns are dangerous, anyone can brace themselves with a hand and get their arm broken.
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The entire point of BJJ is technique and skill, not force.
Slamming is a demonstration of skill and force together, if you don't think so I'd love to watch you go into a Greco-Roman tournament and say what they do isn't skilful.
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It's the gentle art. Do you think that includes slamming someone on their head?
Judo does it all the time, the child of jiujitsu. Judo, also, means ''The Gentle Way'' and is almost comprised of nothing but slams and throws with people ending up on their head, although they actually teach you how NOT to fall on your head.
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The point of competition is to display skill, not force.
There are tons of movements that can be used for brute force that work, and are often combined with skill for them to work.
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What you're saying is ludicrous. Honestly. My ego totally detached -- what you're saying is absurd and an indication that you don't know anything about jiu jitsu on a cultural and theoretical level, even if you've dabbled in some arm locks.
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Your repeated bragging about your experience in grappling is a good indication of your ego in overdrive.
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Your entire vibe is off for BJJ. You are a force guy and you don't like a limitation of force. That was a nice way of saying you're a douchebag.
What I said:
Which is why when you compete, you should try to emulate what you can encounter in the real world while trying to remain loyal to the style.
What you ignored, now twice.
I get it, I told you I've been grappling a long time, I know jiujitsu and I understand the dangers of it (you ignored all of the technicalities that I addressed).
************************I understand with kneebars/heelhooks/picks, bicep slicers and neck cranks because the difference between pressure and breaking is just too little.************************
In conclusion, you should read someone's posts before going off on your little fairy armchair psychologist rants. Even the last thing you said, I deliberately put ''While remaining loyal to the style''.
Poor kid.
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