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Posted on 12/7/13 at 10:53 am to The Spleen
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They were created to try to give purpose to life and justify some of our a animistic instincts.
Who created them?
Posted on 12/7/13 at 11:11 am to CJM18
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Atheism as a worldview crumbles when thoroughly examined. In so many ways. I've just hit on a couple of em.
I am not an atheist but you've done a terrible job shooting it down.
Posted on 12/7/13 at 11:17 am to Alahunter
This campaign is really fricking lame. And I'm an Atheist.
Posted on 12/7/13 at 11:18 am to LittleJerrySeinfield
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Who created them?
No clue. No one knows. Why kill each other pretending we do?
Posted on 12/7/13 at 11:26 am to The Spleen
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Good, evil, morality, etc are just man made phenomenon of the human ego. They were created to try to give purpose to life and justify some of our a animistic instincts.
So something like torturing babies for fun is not truly evil, because evil is just some man made phenomenon?
Posted on 12/7/13 at 11:28 am to Alahunter
Here's the thing. I think it's all bullshite but I don't care what anyone else believes. That's their choice, can't win the argument either way. I wish the atheist that do this shite would just go donate the money to toys for tots or some other worthy cause.
I've always found the only way to share that you're an atheist and why you think that way or share the gospel was to get the other person to ask what you thought and get them to value your opinion for other reasons.
I've always found the only way to share that you're an atheist and why you think that way or share the gospel was to get the other person to ask what you thought and get them to value your opinion for other reasons.
Posted on 12/7/13 at 11:29 am to CJM18
Do you need god to tell you that torturing babies is wrong? Is that the only reason you don't do it, because god says it's wrong?
Posted on 12/7/13 at 11:37 am to TeLeFaWx
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I am not an atheist but you've done a terrible job shooting it down.
Bro, atheism has no answers to the things I've said. And neither do you.
Posted on 12/7/13 at 11:42 am to CJM18
I won't speak for TeLaFaWx, but I've never heard anyone in my entire life argue that morality couldn't exist without god. Your premise is so ridiculous that it doesn't even deserve to be discussed.
Posted on 12/7/13 at 12:14 pm to CJM18
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So something like torturing babies for fun is not truly evil, because evil is just some man made phenomenon?
It's not objectively evil. From our subjective human perspective, it is evil. Pretty much all humans agree with this, but that does not make it objective.
Posted on 12/7/13 at 12:24 pm to CJM18
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Here's the problem...
If, as evolutionary scientists say, what our brains tell us about God, morality, love, or beauty is not real- it's just a set of chemical reactions designed to pass on our genetic code- then so is what their brains tell them about the world. So why should they trust them?
In other words, if we can't trust our cognitive faculties to tell us the truth about God or morality, then why should we trust them to tell us the truth about anything, including evolutionary science?
There's a huge difference between solely subjective experiences and what we can not only verify through experiment, but replicate. We don't accept quantum mechanical theory because it feels right, we accept quantum mechanical theory because countless experiments have verified its accuracy. There have been absolutely zero replicable experiments which have verified the existence of the supernatural, objective morality, or any similar concept that religious people claim exists.
Posted on 12/7/13 at 2:34 pm to Stonehog
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I won't speak for TeLaFaWx, but I've never heard anyone in my entire life argue that morality couldn't exist without god. Your premise is so ridiculous that it doesn't even deserve to be discussed.
Objective moral laws cannot exist without God. They are not created by man. They exist regardless of man's opinion. Murder is wrong. Not because most people say it is. It's wrong objectively whether someone thinks it is or not.
Posted on 12/7/13 at 2:41 pm to genro
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The birth of Jesus was a myth? Jesus existed, even according to secular history.
FALSE
Posted on 12/7/13 at 2:44 pm to CJM18
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Objective moral laws cannot exist without God. They are not created by man. They exist regardless of man's opinion. Murder is wrong. Not because most people say it is. It's wrong objectively whether someone thinks it is or not.
Why can't morality have been created by a pantheon of Gods? You act as if it is a singular entity, but nothing logical has lead you to this conclusion.
Posted on 12/7/13 at 2:44 pm to Fizzou
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It's not objectively evil. From our subjective human perspective, it is evil. Pretty much all humans agree with this, but that does not make it objective.
This is getting further and further from reality and rational thought. You're right in that humans don't make it objective. God makes it objective.
Murdering 6 million Jews is objectively evil regardless of what Hitler believed. It's not evil because the rest of the world said so.
Truth is not relative.
Posted on 12/7/13 at 4:59 pm to TeLeFaWx
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Why can't morality have been created by a pantheon of Gods? You act as if it is a singular entity, but nothing logical has lead you to this conclusion.
What has lead me to this conclusion is the person of Jesus Christ. It is historical fact that he lived and was crucified.
So the ONLY thing left to consider is if he rose from the dead.
If he did, then we must believe what he said. That he is the Way.
Hundreds of eyewitnesses claimed that he did. Many of them knowingly went to their deaths for proclaiming what they had seen. I believe that he did.
That's just one reason. Another is that Christianity makes the most sense of the world and condition we find ourselves in.
Posted on 12/7/13 at 5:06 pm to CJM18
If you believe that a dead man came back to life, that's another discussion altogether.
Hundreds of eye witnesses claim Jesus rose from the dead? According to what?
Hundreds of eye witnesses claim Jesus rose from the dead? According to what?
Posted on 12/7/13 at 5:21 pm to CJM18
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What has lead me to this conclusion is the person of Jesus Christ. It is historical fact that he lived and was crucified.
Cool, but that has nothing to do with the original argument. Christianity's existence isn't a validation of it's legitimacy any more than Mormonism. Your linking of the two is not a logical conclusion on the denial of atheism any more so than a hindus or a scientologist. The existence of morality is not a validation of your personal religion, no matter how much you want it to be.
Posted on 12/7/13 at 5:22 pm to CJM18
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That's just one reason. Another is that Christianity makes the most sense of the world and condition we find ourselves in.
Any more than Mormonism, Islam, or Scientology? No. That's your arrogance and ignorance showing.
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