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Posted on 8/18/14 at 9:29 am to cokebottleag
Oops, I stand corrected. I guess I blocked that one out. 
Posted on 8/18/14 at 9:47 am to The Spleen
Posted on 8/18/14 at 10:03 am to The Spleen
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I haven't read where any witnesses said he was shot in the back, but I haven't read every article so I could have missed it. Some irresponsible media have spread that report and some people have run with it. The 2 or 3 witnesses I've seen/read interviewed said he was facing the cop with his hands up when he was shot. But I also watched that video where the guy said he was walking towards the cop when he was shot. So who knows.
They said it.
The guy that was with him at both the robbery and shooting said it.
The female witness said it
The guy 'live tweeting' it said two from behind and five in the front.
Other than Johnson, none had a reason to lie so I believe they were reporting what they though they saw but eyewitnesses are notoriously unreliable. You have to weigh their statements against actual evidence.
Nobody did that so now a city is in chaos.
Edited to add: This is looking like the police involved shooting version of the Duke Lacrosse rape case.
This post was edited on 8/18/14 at 10:05 am
Posted on 8/18/14 at 10:10 am to JustGetItRight
One question. Where is Obama in all of this? We have a black President of the United States. 98% of the African American populace voted for him. His campaign was change and "Yes we Can!"
Yes we Can what? Riot?
Seriously, I know this is a state level issue, but you would figure the feds would have a big hand in this and he could be a voice in saying "Calm the frick down people"
Nothing gets solved by people getting shot rioting or looting.
Yes we Can what? Riot?
Seriously, I know this is a state level issue, but you would figure the feds would have a big hand in this and he could be a voice in saying "Calm the frick down people"
Nothing gets solved by people getting shot rioting or looting.
Posted on 8/18/14 at 10:14 am to Pavoloco83
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Where is Obama in all of this
Vacation.
Posted on 8/18/14 at 10:21 am to JustGetItRight
Okay, now I do recall reading the girl's interview where she said he was shot from behind.
Just throwing a theory out there. In the above linked video from the scene, a couple of different people say they heard 8 shots, but only 6 wounds were found on the body. So, it's possible he was running from the cop, heard the shots, and stopped to turn and either surrender or run at the cop. So the witnesses could have heard the initial shots while he had his back to the cop, but the initial shot(s) didn't hit him.
I agree eyewitness accounts aren't always reliable, unless corroborated by other eyewitness accounts. I have read the police took no statements from any witnesses at the scene, so any witness statements now are severely tainted due to the media exposure and peer pressure/bias. So all they'll really have to go on is the officer's statement that Brown went for his gun, which can neither be proven nor disproven. I don't see any charges coming against him, which is only going to make the scene there uglier.
Just throwing a theory out there. In the above linked video from the scene, a couple of different people say they heard 8 shots, but only 6 wounds were found on the body. So, it's possible he was running from the cop, heard the shots, and stopped to turn and either surrender or run at the cop. So the witnesses could have heard the initial shots while he had his back to the cop, but the initial shot(s) didn't hit him.
I agree eyewitness accounts aren't always reliable, unless corroborated by other eyewitness accounts. I have read the police took no statements from any witnesses at the scene, so any witness statements now are severely tainted due to the media exposure and peer pressure/bias. So all they'll really have to go on is the officer's statement that Brown went for his gun, which can neither be proven nor disproven. I don't see any charges coming against him, which is only going to make the scene there uglier.
Posted on 8/18/14 at 11:18 am to The Spleen
https://stlouis.cbslocal.com/2014/08/18/expert-autopsy-reveals-eyewitness-accounts-that-brown-was-shot-in-back-are-false/
I'm gonna go ahead and say you've never had poor black friends in your life if you don't think they'd lie just to do harm to cops.
Secondly: The shot to his arm shows that he did not have his arms raised, but that the police officer was aiming center mass and missed. Damn you people are delusional sometimes.
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They would not have a reason to lie.
I'm gonna go ahead and say you've never had poor black friends in your life if you don't think they'd lie just to do harm to cops.
Secondly: The shot to his arm shows that he did not have his arms raised, but that the police officer was aiming center mass and missed. Damn you people are delusional sometimes.
Posted on 8/18/14 at 11:21 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
'“If you picture the shooter shooting a weapon, perhaps holding it at chest level, the victim had to have his head facing downward. He was either falling and the shot was fired, or he was charging at the police officer and the shot was fired. That’s the only way you can get a trajectory like that that was described by Dr. Baden,” Koblinsky told CBS News.
Koblinsky added that the gun was at least two to three feet away from Brown at the time of the shooting.'
fricking busted.
Koblinsky added that the gun was at least two to three feet away from Brown at the time of the shooting.'
fricking busted.
This post was edited on 8/18/14 at 11:23 am
Posted on 8/18/14 at 11:31 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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I'm gonna go ahead and say you've never had poor black friends in your life if you don't think they'd lie just to do harm to cops.
Actually I grew up pretty poor and went to a predominantly black high school, so you would be wrong.
Also the nowhere in the post you responded to did I make the statement "they would not have a reason to lie", so where did that come from? Many blacks would absolutely lit to police to protect their own, as would many whites. Dis trust of police isn't exclusive to the black community, though it is understandably more prevalent there.
Posted on 8/18/14 at 11:34 am to The Spleen
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Okay, now I do recall reading the girl's interview where she said he was shot from behind.
Just throwing a theory out there. In the above linked video from the scene, a couple of different people say they heard 8 shots, but only 6 wounds were found on the body. So, it's possible he was running from the cop, heard the shots, and stopped to turn and either surrender or run at the cop. So the witnesses could have heard the initial shots while he had his back to the cop, but the initial shot(s) didn't hit him.
I agree eyewitness accounts aren't always reliable, unless corroborated by other eyewitness accounts. I have read the police took no statements from any witnesses at the scene, so any witness statements now are severely tainted due to the media exposure and peer pressure/bias. So all they'll really have to go on is the officer's statement that Brown went for his gun, which can neither be proven nor disproven. I don't see any charges coming against him, which is only going to make the scene there uglie
Agreed on all points.
Posted on 8/18/14 at 11:40 am to The Spleen
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Also the nowhere in the post you responded to did I make the statement "they would not have a reason to lie", so where did that come from?
That came from Justgetitright, I was lazy and just commented on the closest Bama fan I saw. Sorry 'bout that.
And it was all toward him.
Posted on 8/18/14 at 11:42 am to The Spleen
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I agree eyewitness accounts aren't always reliable, unless corroborated by other eyewitness accounts. I have read the police took no statements from any witnesses at the scene, so any witness statements now are severely tainted due to the media exposure and peer pressure/bias.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VdL9dqkyjhM
Fortunately we have this witness who actually saw everything and said that Brown charged the police officer after trying to run away.
It starts at 6:03 but you have to listen closely to hear it. None of the people saying he had his hands up seem to have saw anything, and of course we've now proven that the entire story about him being shot in the back is bullshite.
Posted on 8/18/14 at 11:43 am to The Spleen
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"they would not have a reason to lie"
That was me (who thinks the officer's version is most closely reflective of what happened), and I stand by it for the witnesses in this situation.
Johnson had a reason to (lie and did so). He was at the robbery. The others that I quoted - the lady in her car and the guy tweeting knew neither the officer nor the deceased. Sure they could have decided to intentionally lie, but the inaccuracies of tweets in particular are quite easily explained by the 'fog of war'. The lady may well have not seen the initial shots, but as Spleen said, the story that he was shot in the back got out so fast there's a good chance she heard it before giving a statement and it influenced what she thought she saw because other 'witnesses' were saying it.
How many times do people say "the plane was on fire before it crashed" when even video shows it wasn't? They aren't biased against Boeing or Airbus, they're just wrong. That's almost certainly (except for Johnson) the case here.
Posted on 8/18/14 at 11:46 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
So, as I suspected, this whole innocent victim bullshite was exactly that.
Posted on 8/18/14 at 11:46 am to JustGetItRight
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he others that I quoted - the lady in her car and the guy tweeting knew neither the officer nor the deceased. Sure they could have decided to intentionally lie
Dude, poor blacks will lie without any reason to get public distrust against police officers.
It's bizarre that you don't know this.
Posted on 8/18/14 at 11:50 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
This just seems like the Travon Martin fiasco, only worse.
I'm tired of it. Ready for the national guard to put an end to these stupid fricks robbing and stealing, destroying and attacking.
Looks more and more like the cop was not in the wrong, the dude robbed a store, saw the cop and thought the cop was knew aboutthe robbery, attacked him and was justifiably killed for his behavior.
Enough is enough with the dumbfricks raising hell before they know shite and even moreso now went it looks like the shooting was justified.
I'm tired of it. Ready for the national guard to put an end to these stupid fricks robbing and stealing, destroying and attacking.
Looks more and more like the cop was not in the wrong, the dude robbed a store, saw the cop and thought the cop was knew aboutthe robbery, attacked him and was justifiably killed for his behavior.
Enough is enough with the dumbfricks raising hell before they know shite and even moreso now went it looks like the shooting was justified.
Posted on 8/18/14 at 11:54 am to Rebelgator
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So, as I suspected, this whole innocent victim bullshite was exactly that.
We both said it from the very beginning.
Posted on 8/18/14 at 11:57 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Now, maybe the riot guys will start dropping some of the fricks still looting and such.
Posted on 8/18/14 at 12:00 pm to Tiger n Miami AU83
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This just seems like the Travon Martin fiasco, only worse.
Looks more and more like the cop was not in the wrong, the dude robbed a store, saw the cop and thought the cop was knew aboutthe robbery, attacked him and was justifiably killed for his behavior.
Enough is enough with the dumbfricks raising hell before they know shite and even moreso now went it looks like the shooting was justified.
humorously at the gym i had fox news, cnn, and msnbc all in front of me this morning.
I hate fox news and think they are as partisan as they come, but CNN and MSNBC were reporting the same news we had last week, with the addition of the autopsy report, only focusing on the head wounds, avoiding the back autopsy which showed no entry or exit wounds.
Fox was showing the robbery and both sides of the autopsy.
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