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re: America Is Not For Black People
Posted on 8/14/14 at 1:17 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Posted on 8/14/14 at 1:17 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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But...we have direct evidence that the police started to militarize after the North Hollywood Shootout. I mean, everyone calls that the turning point because your average cop didn't have the same access as your average bank robber.
Serious question. Has anything like that happened since? I can't think of any. There may be an incident or two I'm forgetting.
Is it therefore a good idea to base police ideas of force around an anomalous event?
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Posted on 8/14/14 at 1:17 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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Regular people have way more fricking access to military grade hardware than they used to and if you can't see that you're completely blind.
Yeah completely new.
Posted on 8/14/14 at 1:17 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
I'm not even arguing that cops shouldn't be well armed. The cops back then started using tommy guns and BAR's when they saw they were outgunned and it helped put an end to that crap.
Posted on 8/14/14 at 1:18 pm to Robert Goulet
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Anyway, if you think that the American public is militarizing itself more so than the police, then I don't know what to tell you. Those citizens are buying those rifles you spoke of for a reason....because they see what police and other government are doing.
It's funny, because when the (mostly white) libertarian crowd says this, this board listens up. "Gotta have my guns to keep the government away from my shite," and all.
When it's black people who are armed, though...
Just calling it like I see it, y'all.
Posted on 8/14/14 at 1:20 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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But violent crime is down.
For now. It's cyclical, just like everything else in this world we live in
I'm just happy my city jumped down on the "Top 10 Dangerous Cities."
Posted on 8/14/14 at 1:20 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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But...we have direct evidence that the police started to militarize after the North Hollywood Shootout.
Long before that. Started in the 1960's, blew up following the end of the first gulf war, and again after 911. Usually ramping up coincides with the end or start of wars.
Posted on 8/14/14 at 1:20 pm to nes2010
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Murderers are murderers.
You understand that murdering people with a knife is a lot more difficult than murdering people with an AR system, right? That's the main point. People are still psychotic murderers, they just have access to better weaponry.
The tools are mass produced, readily accessible and can be bought by even the poor. Technology is a force multiplier and your inability to acknowledge this is breathtaking.
Have you forgotten Columbine? Aurora? Newtown? Blacksburg? Even the worst of gang shootouts are pathetic when stacked up to each of those and if police didn't have NHS (North Hollywood Shootout) and hadn't been better trained and armed with military tactics and weapons, those could have been a whole frick of a lot worse.
Posted on 8/14/14 at 1:20 pm to AUnite
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But violent crime is down.
For now.
It's a pretty solid trend.
Posted on 8/14/14 at 1:21 pm to DCRebel
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When it's black people who are armed, though...
Oh bullshite.
I don't care who owns guns. As long as they're legal in the US and were purchased legally. Everyone has a right to the second amendment. It should be noted, that there are some weapons that civilians don't need access to.
Posted on 8/14/14 at 1:22 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Well my point is that people are the same as they have ever been.
Posted on 8/14/14 at 1:22 pm to Person of interest
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Regular people have way more fricking access to military grade hardware than they used to and if you can't see that you're completely blind.
Yeah completely new.
How many people do you think owned Thompsons in that time?
How many people do you think own AR15s right now?
How many people back then trained in military tactics?
How many people do you think do that now?
I know you're dumb as frick, but please connect some dots for me so I don't have to waste my time with you.
Posted on 8/14/14 at 1:23 pm to DCRebel
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When it's black people who are armed, though...
Been around plenty of black people with guns. Taken plenty of them with me to go shoot shite or duck hunting. I'd have the same feeling seeing a white guy walking down a city street with a AR-15 as a black guy walking down the city street with a AR-15.
Really thou I'd probably feel safer around the black guy cause odds are he won't go nuts and try to shoot everyone.
Posted on 8/14/14 at 1:23 pm to nes2010
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Well my point is that people are the same as they have ever been.
My point is that an AR is more dangerous than a knife which is why swords were used in feudal Japan and Assault Rifles are used now. The necessity justifies the movement.
Posted on 8/14/14 at 1:24 pm to AUnite
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Oh bullshite.
I don't care who owns guns. As long as they're legal in the US and were purchased legally. Everyone has a right to the second amendment. It should be noted, that there are some weapons that civilians don't need access to.
I'm not talking about you in particular. I'm talking about opinions on this in general. This board, Twitter, Facebook, wherever. If this were to happen in a white suburb, it'd be the state encroaching its boundaries. When it happens in a black suburb, it's law enforcement doing what they must to stop crime.
Posted on 8/14/14 at 1:24 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Is an AK that much more dangerous than a BAR?
This post was edited on 8/14/14 at 1:25 pm
Posted on 8/14/14 at 1:26 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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I know you're dumb as frick, but please connect some dots for me so I don't have to waste my time with you.
Sounds like a typical cop.
Posted on 8/14/14 at 1:26 pm to DCRebel
Why don't we give cops megaphones and tell them to yell at the mean criminals since they don't need to be as well armed as the mean criminals because those mean criminals are less mean than in the past.
I don't want police over stepping their bounds but since I'm not willing to become a police officer, I certainly won't fault them for wanting to have the upper hand in weaponry and armor.
Anyone else here want to ride out and arrest a drug cartel member with a .22 pistol and loud voice?
I don't want police over stepping their bounds but since I'm not willing to become a police officer, I certainly won't fault them for wanting to have the upper hand in weaponry and armor.
Anyone else here want to ride out and arrest a drug cartel member with a .22 pistol and loud voice?
Posted on 8/14/14 at 1:26 pm to DCRebel
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When it's black people who are armed, though...
This has been an argument for years. Just not in your circles.
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You know that gun control has a racist history in America, right? And that it disproportionately harms women, minorities (particularly blacks), and the poor? Gun control doesn’t work. It just disarms potential crime victims.
Gun control laws were used to make blacks less dangerous, more vulnerable targets of (racially motivated) police abuse and private crime. Even now they are used to incarcerate blacks who haven’t committed any real crimes. Lacking evidence for anything else, the state puts them away on weapons charges (and/or drug charges, but the Drug War’s another unjust racist policy we don’t need to get into).
Posted on 8/14/14 at 1:27 pm to roadGator
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Anyone else here want to ride out and arrest a drug cartel member with a .22 pistol and loud voice?
I'm down, you go in first tho.
Posted on 8/14/14 at 1:27 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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But...we have direct evidence that the police started to militarize after the North Hollywood Shootout. I mean, everyone calls that the turning point because your average cop didn't have the same access as your average bank robber.
Changing everything because of one event...reminds me of the Patriot Act. I'm not a big fan of reactionary measures. Usually there is an agenda behind shite like this.
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Force is met with force, and to say that the American public has less or minimal access to hardware that wasn't available before is just asinine.
I don't recall saying or implying this. All I said was that citizens are arming themselves for a reason.
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I can bring up a bunch of different incidents where assault weapons were used to kill dozens of people and the perpetrators weren't hardened criminals.
Okay. Again, I don't see the validity of this and I never implied otherwise.
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