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Posted on 8/14/14 at 12:57 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Posted on 8/14/14 at 12:57 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Its not even remotely comparable? These highway bandits were killing multiple LEO with BAR's and tommy guns and getting away. But sure, the amount of rounds fired in one incident is what determines if a bad guy is really that bad?
There have always been bad guys and they will get away with what they can. People aren't any worse now than they were, not the truly evil ones.
There have always been bad guys and they will get away with what they can. People aren't any worse now than they were, not the truly evil ones.
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Posted on 8/14/14 at 12:59 pm to DCRebel
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Do you have any evidence that today is somehow worse than before?
Ever heard of "cop killers," aka teflon-coated bullets?
Posted on 8/14/14 at 1:00 pm to The Spleen
Interesting to note, and I had not realized it before, but this was the first "homicide" in Ferguson this year.
Posted on 8/14/14 at 1:00 pm to nes2010
Ya but you just listed two of the most notorious gangsters in American History. We should be comparing them to the cartels and shite. Look at Miami in the 80's, watch Gangland and little "gangs" of people from a 4 block area have all kinds of weapons, sometimes they show them with grenades and shite on the table too.
Posted on 8/14/14 at 1:05 pm to Person of interest
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criminals aren't any nastier now than before.
Maybe not their mentality but the means in which they can do things and the accessibility of better/more dangerous firearms... Ah frick it, sure you're right.Posted on 8/14/14 at 1:06 pm to CheeseburgerEddie
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Ya but you just listed two of the most notorious gangsters in American History. We should be comparing them to the cartels and shite. Look at Miami in the 80's, watch Gangland and little "gangs" of people from a 4 block area have all kinds of weapons, sometimes they show them with grenades and shite on the table too.
Eddie to the rescue.
Posted on 8/14/14 at 1:07 pm to CheeseburgerEddie
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"40% obtained it from an illegal source," in regards to how people obtained firearms they were arrested with.
Criminals will always be willing to get the biggest, baddest mother fricker available to them. Why should police have less fire power?
"40% obtained it from an illegal source," in regards to how people obtained firearms they were arrested with.
Criminals will always be willing to get the biggest, baddest mother fricker available to them. Why should police have less fire power?
Posted on 8/14/14 at 1:08 pm to Person of interest
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What a croc of shite and a cop out criminals aren't any nastier now than before.
This.
Hell, violent crime has been on the decline for the past 20 years.
So violent crime is on a precipitous decline, yet we think our police should be MORE heavily armed. Makes sense.
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Posted on 8/14/14 at 1:10 pm to nes2010
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Its not even remotely comparable? These highway bandits were killing multiple LEO with BAR's and tommy guns and getting away. But sure, the amount of rounds fired in one incident is what determines if a bad guy is really that bad?
There have always been bad guys and they will get away with what they can. People aren't any worse now than they were, not the truly evil ones.
Yes, two men successfully holding off an entire police department while not moving (like driving a car) with modern media with weapons having the capacity to deliver over 75 rifle rounds on target is infinitely worse than a couple of drive by shootings which happen daily.
Two men were able to protect themselves with body armor and both were shot over 20 times with different calibers.
They're not even remotely the same other than they had cops shooting criminals.
This was in the span of 30 minutes and one incident. Regular people have way more fricking access to military grade hardware than they used to and if you can't see that you're completely blind.
Posted on 8/14/14 at 1:10 pm to DCRebel
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And yet unarmed people are being killed. There is a problem here.
Sure there is. Innocent places of businesses are being looted as well.
Certain militant special interest groups capitalize on being victims. It's a huge political tool.
Our CJ system is fricked, I don't think anyone, except those who make their living in the industry, will disagree with that.
Posted on 8/14/14 at 1:10 pm to AUnite
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Criminals will always be willing to get the biggest, baddest mother fricker available to them.
No they won't. The vast majority of violent crimes committed with weapons are committed with handguns. Criminals generally don't want to draw attention to themselves, thus increasing their odds of getting away with their crime.
Posted on 8/14/14 at 1:10 pm to DCRebel
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Hell, violent crime has been on the decline for the past 20 years.
Yes, it's declined in recent years. However, that doesn't mean that criminals have less access to big fire power.
Posted on 8/14/14 at 1:12 pm to AUnite
quote:Exactly. If anyone watches Drugs, Inc. on NatGeo - the episode last night was filmed in Atlanta and dealt with Molly/MDMA. The first dealer they show talks about selling Molly wholesale and how much money he makes off of it, and how he in turn buys guns (the one he showed off appeared to be an AK-47) that he then resells.
"40% obtained it from an illegal source," in regards to how people obtained firearms they were arrested with. Criminals will always be willing to get the biggest, baddest mother fricker available to them. Why should police have less fire power?
One of the other dealers they showed (sitting in a highrise in Midtown by the view out the window) had pistols on the table next to them.
The cops have to be as well equipped if not better to stand a fighting chance.
Posted on 8/14/14 at 1:12 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
I guess I should've posed my question differently. Sure, there are civilian drones and old tanks but I suppose you knew that wasn't what I was getting at.
Anyway, if you think that the American public is militarizing itself more so than the police, then I don't know what to tell you. Those citizens are buying those rifles you spoke of for a reason....because they see what police and other government are doing.
Anyway, if you think that the American public is militarizing itself more so than the police, then I don't know what to tell you. Those citizens are buying those rifles you spoke of for a reason....because they see what police and other government are doing.
Posted on 8/14/14 at 1:13 pm to The Spleen
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No they won't. The vast majority of violent crimes committed with weapons are committed with handguns. Criminals generally don't want to draw attention to themselves, thus increasing their odds of getting away with their crime.
I disagree.
There's a reason the federal government banned Teflon-coated bullets. However, people can still access them if they want them.
If you really think people can't import illegal weaponry into the US, you're naive and I have some beach front land in South Dakota I'd like to show you.
Posted on 8/14/14 at 1:14 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Sure there is. Innocent places of businesses are being looted as well.
So that makes it okay!
Two rights make a wrong everybody! You heard it here first!
It's a damn shame that people are using the illegal activity of a relatively small group of people to wantonly dismiss the civil liberties of larger groups. It's the same line of thinking that fuels the Patriot Act, TSA, etc.
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Certain militant special interest groups capitalize on being victims. It's a huge political tool.
And others capitalize on the threat that you yourself may one day be a victim.
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Our CJ system is fricked, I don't think anyone, except those who make their living in the industry, will disagree with that.
It's one of those few things that the right and left can agree on to a certain extent, yet somehow can't get shite done about it.
Posted on 8/14/14 at 1:15 pm to DCRebel
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Sure there is. Innocent places of businesses are being looted as well.
So that makes it okay!
That was really stupid. Think about it while referencing the article.
Posted on 8/14/14 at 1:15 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
I'm not arguing that they are better armed. This was in response to you saying that modern criminals are not nice compared to how it was. Murderers are murderers. Psychos are psychos. That isn't any different. Are there more with automatic weapons and body armor, sure. If the criminals of the past could have gotten modern weapons and armor they would be just the same. They got the best they could (including military issue machine guns) and they used ti to kill cops.
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Those days are over. Folks aren't nice any longer.
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What a croc of shite and a cop out criminals aren't any nastier now than before.
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The North Hollywood shootout has determined that this is a lie.
Posted on 8/14/14 at 1:15 pm to Robert Goulet
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Anyway, if you think that the American public is militarizing itself more so than the police, then I don't know what to tell you. Those citizens are buying those rifles you spoke of for a reason....because they see what police and other government are doing.
But...we have direct evidence that the police started to militarize after the North Hollywood Shootout. I mean, everyone calls that the turning point because your average cop didn't have the same access as your average bank robber.
Force is met with force, and to say that the American public has less or minimal access to hardware that wasn't available before is just asinine.
I can bring up a bunch of different incidents where assault weapons were used to kill dozens of people and the perpetrators weren't hardened criminals.
Posted on 8/14/14 at 1:16 pm to AUnite
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Yes, it's declined in recent years. However, that doesn't mean that criminals have less access to big fire power.
But violent crime is down.
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