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re: 9/11 Was A Conspiracy!
Posted on 8/29/14 at 6:32 pm to Sleeping Tiger
Posted on 8/29/14 at 6:32 pm to Sleeping Tiger
I think I'm seeing the problem here. It's two things.
1) More than actually believing in an alternative theory regarding 9/11, you much more simply don't believe the accepted story of 9/11.
2) You have a hard time in general in being wrong about this subject. So much so that you don't want to even say what you actually believe happened if you aren't sure in your mind that you couldn't be wrong. So you don't give the answers people are asking for, but instead fervently inform them what they believe isn't what happened.
1) More than actually believing in an alternative theory regarding 9/11, you much more simply don't believe the accepted story of 9/11.
2) You have a hard time in general in being wrong about this subject. So much so that you don't want to even say what you actually believe happened if you aren't sure in your mind that you couldn't be wrong. So you don't give the answers people are asking for, but instead fervently inform them what they believe isn't what happened.
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Posted on 8/29/14 at 6:45 pm to Vols&Shaft83
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Name one undisputed fact. That's all. I don't need 6 paragraphs, 1 or 2 sentences will do.
Give me one name of who did it? Give me one fact, in 1-2 sentences.
It's an incredibly complex event with unthinkable amounts of interwoven facts. Yet give me one name, give me one sentence worth of fact.
Here's why 1-2 sentences doesn't work -- There was an 8 minute phone call from Colonel Marr at NEADS to the head of NORAD's US Continental Region. There that's a fact, it's one sentence but without a few paragraphs of explanation this important fact is kinda meaningless.
Anyway, without giving much thought here's some fun and useless 'facts' that can easily be thrown out, that's what you wanted, right?
The US already planned virtually the same event as 911 during the cold war. Yet -- "my government would never do this".
60 million was given to investigate Clinton's bj, 15 million was given to investigate 911. The Bush administration resisted the formation of the 9/11 Commission for 441 days. Similar investigations, such as those for Pearl Harbor, the JFK assassination, and the space shuttle disasters, all started in about one week.
The famous in flight phone call that started the reports of 'box cutters' being used to take over the aircraft never happened.
85 videos were confiscated to keep what hit the Pentagon a secret. We were shown over and over again the planes hitting the towers, we are shown violent crimes caught on surveillance, there is no reason we haven't been shown video of the plane hitting the Pentagon.
This post was edited on 8/29/14 at 6:46 pm
Posted on 8/29/14 at 6:55 pm to Sleeping Tiger
You don't think 9/11 originated from one person?
Posted on 8/29/14 at 6:56 pm to Stacked
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but instead fervently inform them what they believe isn't what happened.
In fact that's what you're doing.
I'm attempting to explain that jumping to the end is not a constructive way to gain a new perspective on 911, that it's a pretty rotten way to try to understand something.
If a detective went to a crime scene and ran around asking everyone 'who did it' he'd have a hard time getting anywhere, he has to dig and uncover things that make him certain foul play was involved, once determined that foul play was involved it still doesn't always yield an answer.
I believe that agencies like the CIA and terrorist groups like the Taliban are all under the same umbrella, that this umbrella was responsible for the attacks. Not the actual US government.
What I told you about the often omitted relationship between Bin Laden and the CIA, the CIA and terrorist groups, and the Saudi and Israeli connections to the US government/corporations should have helped you understand where I'm coming from and who I think is responsible.
Posted on 8/29/14 at 6:57 pm to Sleeping Tiger
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What I told you about the often omitted relationship between Bin Laden and the CIA, the CIA and terrorist groups, and the Saudi and Israeli connections to the US government/corporations should have helped you understand where I'm coming from and who I think is responsible.
It didn't help me understand who you think is responsible. So just go ahead and say it. Just tell me who is responsible for 9/11.
This post was edited on 8/29/14 at 7:00 pm
Posted on 8/29/14 at 7:03 pm to Stacked
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It didn't help me understand who you think is responsible.
That's too bad, I took you, and still do, as one of the brighter contributors to this board.
Posted on 8/29/14 at 7:05 pm to Sleeping Tiger
I know. I just want you to tell me who you think it is. Not lead me down a path. Just say it. Who is responsible for 9/11?
Posted on 8/29/14 at 7:07 pm to Stacked
The Juice.
Posted on 8/29/14 at 7:07 pm to Stacked
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know. I just want you to tell me who you think it is. Not lead me down a path. Just say it. Who is responsible for 9/11?
He can't, "they’re" watching.
Posted on 8/29/14 at 7:14 pm to Stacked
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Just say it. Who is responsible for 9/11?
He can't make a specific claim because those are falsifiable. Instead he hides behind complexity and tells us to educate ourselves. Extraordinary claims at least require some hard evidence.
I'm willing to entertain his CIA/Saudi/Israel connection, but I need more than speculation on his part.
Posted on 8/29/14 at 7:17 pm to Duke
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willing to entertain his CIA/Saudi/Israel connection, but I need more than speculation on his part.
Why do you hate the Joos?
Posted on 8/29/14 at 7:23 pm to Stacked
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Not lead me down a path.
I'm not leading you down a path, I'm attempting to have a conversation, but you seem to be disregarding large chunks of what I'm saying that have purpose in regards to answering your question.
I believe the 911 official story is a cover up due to the research that I feel is overwhelming, research that is generally not a part of the mainstream dialogue on the topic, research that goes a little deeper into the matter than arguing over if steel melt or not and if the planes were holograms and all that nonsense.
Thanks to the complexities of all of this, the insane amount of info, the disinfo, competing theories, distorted truths, and the fact that I have no way of knowing everything on this it's impossible and frankly irrelevant to say who exactly did it, if more US citizens did the real research then we may be able to find out who specifically did it.
I believe it was a 30 year conspiracy, that's from the mouth of US Senator Bob Kerrey. From what I've found I suspect a small faction of 'elite's' in the US, Saudi Arabia, and Israel had roles in this event which were carried out with these nations secret service agencies.
Posted on 8/29/14 at 7:27 pm to Vols&Shaft83
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Why do you hate the Joos?
Don't ask for an investment of my time and expect serious answers, and ridicule me if I don't, and then pull this kind of thing.
This post was edited on 8/29/14 at 7:28 pm
Posted on 8/29/14 at 7:30 pm to Sleeping Tiger
Thanks for giving my question as much time as you did, bro 
Posted on 8/29/14 at 7:37 pm to Sleeping Tiger
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often omitted relationship between Bin Laden and the CIA,
This is not really omitted at all. It has dubious support, but it's usually stated as fact nonetheless.
Posted on 8/29/14 at 7:41 pm to Sleeping Tiger
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I've found I suspect Israel
Das what I been sayin
Posted on 8/29/14 at 7:42 pm to the808bass
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This is not really omitted at all. It has dubious support, but it's usually stated as fact nonetheless.
The CIA connection to Bin Laden and the CIA relationship to organizations like Al Qaeda and the Taliban are indeed facts.
The connection between US elites like the Bush's and the Bin Laden's, as irrelevant as the connection may be aren't in view when average mainstream people assess this topic.
Posted on 8/29/14 at 7:43 pm to Sleeping Tiger
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CIA relationship to the Taliban
Splain.
Posted on 8/29/14 at 8:29 pm to Sleeping Tiger
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The CIA connection to Bin Laden and the CIA relationship to organizations like Al Qaeda and the Taliban are indeed facts.
No, they're not facts. They're assertions without sourcing. And they're inconsistent with Bin Laden's positions during the Soviet war in Afghanistan. And his positions ever since that time.
The CIA working with and funding mujahideen does not translate into every single mujahideen being funded and trained by the CIA.
Posted on 8/29/14 at 8:31 pm to the808bass
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No, they're not facts. They're assertions without sourcing. And they're inconsistent with Bin Laden's positions during the Soviet war in Afghanistan. And his positions ever since that time.
The CIA working with and funding mujahideen does not translate into every single mujahideen being funded and trained by the CIA
I thought you would have known more about this stuff, from the comments about the mujahideen it's clear our understandings are pretty far a part.
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