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re: 2016 Presidential Election: Trump vs Clinton
Posted on 10/13/16 at 9:42 am to The Spleen
Posted on 10/13/16 at 9:42 am to The Spleen
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Well that's not really true. He's been accused of it many times in his past, but like some of the accusations against Bill before he ran for POTUS, people really didn't care.
i think if they were serious, it would have made the cycle before now. were they dismissed or settled? i really don't know the answer.
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It's more an indictment on our overall attitudes towards sexual assault than it is against either man, and why so many women never come forward when they're victims of it.
my wife and i had a tiff about this the other day. Rape and sexual assault are a real thing and i don't ever want to make light of them. it's horrible and i hope the guilty spend their time in the darkest circles of hell for it.
there's just too many Duke LX, UVA Frat stories out there that it's hard to take so many of them seriously from off the cuff. Even with Clinton, I probably think most of them could be fakes, but they've been out there for a long time. They haven't stopped beating their drum, people just stopped listening.
i just feel like there's a really big double standard here that with Clinton, it's just sex, and his wife is on record trying to quiet the accusers, but now, everybody's all "HOLY shite! Did you hear about Trump?!!?!"
I think Trump is absolutely terrible and have actually resigned to third party due to my conscience (but will absolutely celebrate MAGA,) but to not think that the media is full tilt against him is burying your head in the sand.
This post was edited on 10/13/16 at 9:45 am
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Posted on 10/13/16 at 10:17 am to 3nOut
I think the problem with Trump is he has been caught on tape and in interviews saying really questionable things. Telling the interviewer in 10 years he would be dating a 10 year old girl that just walked past them, telling an interviewer he got away with walking into the dressing room of Teen Pageant contestants, the Access Hollywood tape from last week. Saying things like gives some credence to some of the accusations levied against him.
I don't disagree the coverage of Trump's allegations have been different, but I think a lot of that is for things he has said. I also think a lot of it is the media doesn't want him as President.
I don't disagree the coverage of Trump's allegations have been different, but I think a lot of that is for things he has said. I also think a lot of it is the media doesn't want him as President.
Posted on 10/13/16 at 10:30 am to 3nOut
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i think if they were serious, it would have made the cycle before now. were they dismissed or settled? i really don't know the answer.
The fist accusation I'm aware of was from his first wife, Ivana, who accused him of rape during their divorce. She later backed off, and it was assumed it was a tactic to get more money during the divorce. She also knew he had cheated on her with Marla Maples, among others. Women have claimed he was sexist and a pig throughout the last 30 years, but I don't remember specific sexual assault allegations. Of course, we've come a long way in the last 30 years in terms of what's acceptable.
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there's just too many Duke LX, UVA Frat stories out there that it's hard to take so many of them seriously from off the cuff.
I see where you're coming from, and it's infuriating. Statistics tell you that only maybe 1 of 10 rape victims ever comes forward to tell their story. Every false allegation damages the credibility of all women. I personally know lots of women who have experienced sexual assault and/or rape; I know one who made it up. The one who made it up reported it to the police. The others told a friend, maybe told their boss, told a therapist, and just went on with their life. This was especially true if it was from a spouse or significant other. It's FAR more common than you want to think - 1 in 4 women will experience rape or sexual assault in their lifetime, most of those before they get out of college. That's from FBI statistics.
What gets me in this case is that Trump is complaining about people coming out with old allegations - and one of his primary lines of attack on Clinton are the decades old allegations against her husband. IF you can prove that HILLARY Clinton was involved - something more than what I've heard so far - that's one thing. But him parading Bill's infidelities out there is not a smart line of attack - and it's completely opened him up to this.
Trump frankly makes my skin crawl, and this was true a week ago before that Access Hollywood tape came out. I'm probably going to make a 3rd party choice or write in a candidate. The degree to which this election has sunk into the mud, the lack of decorum and basic decency, disgusts and embarrasses me for the USA.
Posted on 10/13/16 at 10:38 am to semotruman
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But him parading Bill's infidelities out there is not a smart line of attack - and it's completely opened him up to this.
Yep. One of the accusers actually intimated that she had long moved on but seeing his stunt before Sunday's debate pissed her off so much she had to say something.
Wife and I were talking about it the other night. She said there have been a handful of incidents in her life that could be defined as sexual assault. Every one happened in college, in a bar, where a guy grabbed her butt, breasts, put a hand up her skirt, etc. Now my wife is far from a militant feminist, and she challenged me to think and reflect on if maybe I had ever done any of those things, and I had to admit I had. I love slapping butts, and I've done that a few times to women I had just met, or didn't know at all. Also in college, in a bar.
I honestly don't think Trump possesses the self awareness or empathy to realize these things are wrong for him to do, if he in fact did them.
Posted on 10/13/16 at 11:36 am to The Spleen
Hillary Clinton loves Planned Parenthood, the group that aborts babies and sells baby body parts.
then she talks about she has always fought for children.
then she talks about she has always fought for children.
This post was edited on 10/13/16 at 11:38 am
Posted on 10/13/16 at 11:38 am to The Spleen
You know, when I thought about it, by today's standards I was sexually assaulted twice in college. Once by a coworker who trapped me in a back room, touched me and asked what it would take for me to have sex with him. I told him more than he'd ever have, that he should be focused on his wife and baby, and that if he messed with me again I'd have his job. A few unladylike words may have been used to help make my point. 
He left me alone after that.
The other was a blind date with a close friend and her boyfriend - the guy was a friend of her boyfriend's. He got drunk, pinned me against a car and wasn't taking no for an answer. I got away, and told my friend. She kind of laughed it off, assumed I was exaggerating it, until the next day when she saw bruises on my arm and neck. Then she gave her boyfriend all kinds of hell, and he apologized to me - said he had never known of his friend behaving like that before, that it must have been the alcohol.
At the time, I wouldn't have called either instance "sexual assault" or even sexual harassment. The guys in question got handsy and stepped over the line. I dealt with it, just brushed it off and went on my way. Looking back? I see what it was. There's no telling how often I was casually groped in bars and at parties back then. Crowded places, close quarters, easy cover for guys to pull that stuff. No one made too big deal out of it - glare, warn them off, and move on. We have come a long way in what is acceptable behavior in recent years. Women don't just accept being objectified these days.
I have no doubt Trump probably did these things, and that he didn't see a thing wrong with it. He's of an age, and a time, when that behavior was commonplace and accepted. He bragged about it, about what he could get away with because of who he was, and women he'd treated this way in the past got mad about it. By going after Bill Clinton, he opened this door. Bad strategy.
He left me alone after that. The other was a blind date with a close friend and her boyfriend - the guy was a friend of her boyfriend's. He got drunk, pinned me against a car and wasn't taking no for an answer. I got away, and told my friend. She kind of laughed it off, assumed I was exaggerating it, until the next day when she saw bruises on my arm and neck. Then she gave her boyfriend all kinds of hell, and he apologized to me - said he had never known of his friend behaving like that before, that it must have been the alcohol.
At the time, I wouldn't have called either instance "sexual assault" or even sexual harassment. The guys in question got handsy and stepped over the line. I dealt with it, just brushed it off and went on my way. Looking back? I see what it was. There's no telling how often I was casually groped in bars and at parties back then. Crowded places, close quarters, easy cover for guys to pull that stuff. No one made too big deal out of it - glare, warn them off, and move on. We have come a long way in what is acceptable behavior in recent years. Women don't just accept being objectified these days.
I have no doubt Trump probably did these things, and that he didn't see a thing wrong with it. He's of an age, and a time, when that behavior was commonplace and accepted. He bragged about it, about what he could get away with because of who he was, and women he'd treated this way in the past got mad about it. By going after Bill Clinton, he opened this door. Bad strategy.
This post was edited on 10/13/16 at 11:41 am
Posted on 10/13/16 at 11:41 am to semotruman
Clinton was accused of rape, and sexual harrassment by scores of women. you and other liberals have never had any problem with Bill Clinton. Hillary is still married to this sexual predator but trying to disqualify Trump with bogus accusations.
liberlas never had a problem with Ted Kennedy either who also sexually assaulted women.
obama was showing off his erection and liberals had no problem with that. that is sexual harrassment and a super creepy
liberlas never had a problem with Ted Kennedy either who also sexually assaulted women.
obama was showing off his erection and liberals had no problem with that. that is sexual harrassment and a super creepy
This post was edited on 10/13/16 at 11:42 am
Posted on 10/13/16 at 11:43 am to Tillman
I'm not a liberal. Your wild accusations and non sequiturs are annoying. In fact, you're a troll best ignored.
Posted on 10/13/16 at 11:44 am to semotruman
you are a liberal. you just don't have any confidence to admit it. anybody making arguments for a leftwing hag like Hillary is a hardcore leftwinger. you are basically a Commi.
This post was edited on 10/13/16 at 11:45 am
Posted on 10/13/16 at 11:47 am to Tillman
I wish your mom had loved abortion.
Posted on 10/13/16 at 11:50 am to The Spleen
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I wish your mom had loved abortion.
when you make dumb and predicatable comments like this, you admitting abortion is murder
what i love about liberals is you guys think you are holier than thou but you are sadists who have no problem with the violent murder of babies, for convenience. you are the heart of darkness but you try to make gop / conservatives out as bad people.
This post was edited on 10/13/16 at 11:52 am
Posted on 10/13/16 at 11:54 am to Tillman
I'm against abortion.
Posted on 10/13/16 at 11:56 am to The Spleen
you are so against aboriton you vote for a party that celebrates Planned Parenthood.
what a conviction you have there
it hilarious how easily i can get you to deny what you support.
Planned Parenthoood and abortion is basically going Micheael Vick on babies. This is Democrat party's biggest issue
what a conviction you have there
it hilarious how easily i can get you to deny what you support.
Planned Parenthoood and abortion is basically going Micheael Vick on babies. This is Democrat party's biggest issue
This post was edited on 10/13/16 at 12:03 pm
Posted on 10/13/16 at 12:02 pm to Tillman
You do know Trump has celebrated Planned Parenthood himself, right?
But I do support Planned Parenthood. They do a lot of excellent work outside of abortion. While I'm against abortion personally, it's just not an issue that moves the needle much for me in elections.
But I do support Planned Parenthood. They do a lot of excellent work outside of abortion. While I'm against abortion personally, it's just not an issue that moves the needle much for me in elections.
Posted on 10/13/16 at 12:03 pm to The Spleen
i agree, the murder of babies doesn't move you. you don't care about it. that is why you are the heart of darkness.
i know you support planned parenthood. you want to fund a group that does abortions and sells baby body parts. you are a horrible person.
it is not surprising that your party has nominated a criminal who also enabled her rapist husband and attacked his many accusers. if yo have no problem with the violent destruction of babies, you have no problem supporting a criminal rapist enabler.
i know you support planned parenthood. you want to fund a group that does abortions and sells baby body parts. you are a horrible person.
it is not surprising that your party has nominated a criminal who also enabled her rapist husband and attacked his many accusers. if yo have no problem with the violent destruction of babies, you have no problem supporting a criminal rapist enabler.
This post was edited on 10/13/16 at 12:07 pm
Posted on 10/13/16 at 12:11 pm to Tillman
So, are you an alter trolling this site, or just an idiot?
And yes, I support Planned Parenthood. They provide medical care, medications and STD screenings/treatment for low income women. They do a lot of good things, outside of abortion. And that issue, to me, is between a woman, the father, their doctor and God - not for our government to legislate. It moves no needles for me politically. I've spent years volunteering with abused and neglected children. Don't even talk to me about abortion until the foster care system is fixed and adoption is affordable in the US.
I'm much more concerned about our weakening national defense, crumbling infrastructure, taxes, healthcare, social security, entitlement reform, criminal justice reform, immigration and trade.
And yes, I support Planned Parenthood. They provide medical care, medications and STD screenings/treatment for low income women. They do a lot of good things, outside of abortion. And that issue, to me, is between a woman, the father, their doctor and God - not for our government to legislate. It moves no needles for me politically. I've spent years volunteering with abused and neglected children. Don't even talk to me about abortion until the foster care system is fixed and adoption is affordable in the US.
I'm much more concerned about our weakening national defense, crumbling infrastructure, taxes, healthcare, social security, entitlement reform, criminal justice reform, immigration and trade.
Posted on 10/13/16 at 12:13 pm to semotruman
you support an organization that murders babies and sells it body parts.
do you support a rapist if he also does some good things.
do you say government can't make laws agains rape, theft, and other thigns that deprive people of their rights? abortion is taking the life of people but you say government has no busienss banning it? you are a criminal mind.
i hope you burn in hell
do you support a rapist if he also does some good things.
do you say government can't make laws agains rape, theft, and other thigns that deprive people of their rights? abortion is taking the life of people but you say government has no busienss banning it? you are a criminal mind.
i hope you burn in hell
This post was edited on 10/13/16 at 12:15 pm
Posted on 10/13/16 at 12:15 pm to Tillman
So you didn't know the guy you'll be voting for for President also supports Planned Parenthood?
Posted on 10/13/16 at 12:16 pm to The Spleen
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So you didn't know the guy you'll be voting for for President also supports Planned Parenthood?
it is funny how you say trump is a horrible person but now you use his past abortion support as a way to normalize your evil position
Posted on 10/13/16 at 12:19 pm to Tillman
I don't think Trump is a horrible person for supporting Planned Parenthood. I actually think it's one of his few redeeming qualities.
I'm just trying to understand how you reconcile your views on people that support Planned Parenthood, and your vote for someone that supports Planned Parenthood. Walk me through that decision.
I'm just trying to understand how you reconcile your views on people that support Planned Parenthood, and your vote for someone that supports Planned Parenthood. Walk me through that decision.
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