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The Invasion of Missouri has continued

Posted on 8/11/13 at 10:03 am
Posted by outlawjoseywales
Memphis, TN
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 8/11/13 at 10:03 am
You cannot win in ANY conference if you cannot keep 50% of your home states top ten players. Instead of knocking on the door to play they cannot wait to get a plane ticket out of here.

What do the HS football coaches in this state think of the Missouri football program? We know Lee Summit likes the program but what about the rest?!?!?!

Winning is the key but respect is a major factor also. How much respect does HCGP and his staff get from the locals?
Posted by reedus23
St. Louis
Member since Sep 2011
25485 posts
Posted on 8/11/13 at 11:27 am to
Using 247, top 10 in state kids that have chosen Mizzou:

2009
1. Sheldon Richardson(CBC-STL)
4. Blaine Dalton(Blue Springs South-KC)
7. TJ Moe(Ft. Zumwalt East-STL)
8. Jack Meiners(Chaminade-STL)
9. Kerwin Stricker(Washington-Just outside STL)

2010
1. Nick Demien(Timberland-Just outside STL)
2. Marcus Lucas(Liberty-Just outside KC)
3. Kony Ealy(New Madrid)
9. EJ Gaines(Fort Osage-Just outside KC)

2011
5. Corbin Berkstresser(Lees Summit-Just outside KC)
9. Wesley Leftwich(Hickiman-COMO)
10. Brandon Hannah(Chaminade-STL)

2012
1. DGB (Hillcrest-Springfield)
4. Evan Boehm (Lees Summit West-KC)
6. Donovan Newsome (Parkway North-STL)
8. Morgan Steward (Staley-KC)
10. Michael Scherer (Country Day-STL)

2013
2. Chase Abbington (Ft. Zumwalt South-STL)
5. Trent Hosick (Staley-KC)
6. Antar Thompson (Maplewood-STL)
7. Eric Beisel (Rockwood Summit-STL)
10. Anthony Sherrils (Hogan Prep-KC)

2014


It seems that in years past, we have been landing roughly 50%. This year is 0%. So what's the difference with this year? Move to the SEC? Losing record? Coaching uncertainty?

As for the HS coaches, the thing I noticed is that Rockhurst hasn't sent a kid to Mizzou over that span. Conversely, they've sent a number to Nebraska. Blue Springs has been about the same expect replace Nebraska with kU. On the other side of the state, schools like CBC and DeSmet are sending them all over the place, not just one particular school. We haven't landed a large percentage of kids from Lees Summit or Lees Summit West(1 from each I believe). So either relationships with the coaches is meaningless (because Boehm obviously loves Mizzou but it's not helping land his players) or there is not a close feeling between the coaches and Mizzou and the kids are going elsewhere.


Posted by URHatinIt
Member since Dec 2011
4683 posts
Posted on 8/11/13 at 11:34 am to
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Coaching uncertainty?


this i believe
Posted by semotruman
Member since Nov 2011
23179 posts
Posted on 8/11/13 at 11:53 am to
Yes. Coaching uncertainty is number 1, losing record is number 2.
Posted by mograyback
Member since Jul 2011
7102 posts
Posted on 8/11/13 at 4:41 pm to
I would say offering 2 star players from far away states instead of pursuing equal or better players in our own state has something to do with local HS coaches disliking MU.

Also, we're getting beat by other states to offer our own. '15 in state studs have been offered by others schools, not MU. Insane.
Posted by Mizzou Fan in Da ATX
Member since Dec 2011
4184 posts
Posted on 8/11/13 at 5:00 pm to
It's concerning, moreso because Mizzou is the only SEC team that has yet to get a commitment from a single player in the Top 10 in its state per Rivals. Although, its interesting to note that Florida only has 1 commitment from out of the Rivals Top 10 state of Florida prospects right now. Georgia has 2 and thus has doubled up on Florida in that state...but yet meanwhile, Georgia also only has 2 commitments from the Top 10 players in its own state, and is getting clubbed in that regard by Clemson who has got 4 of the top 10 players in Georgia signed already. Vandy for all its recruiting advancements has only got one player from the top ten in Tennessee signed so far.

In terms of our previous 5 years prior to this one, Mizzou's roughly 50% mark of keeping Top 10 players in-state is actually quite solid compared to what percentage other SEC teams get of the top ten in their own state. It's on the high end of in-state success rates actually. On other hand, of course, the talent pools in other SEC states are deeper so that Top Ten in LA, FL, GA will of course have more 4 stars and nationally ranked guys than the MO Top Ten does.

In terms of factors impacting us this year, aside from all the "losing/coaching instability" talk, a couple other things to ponder.

First, could our coaching staff be spread more thinly now trying to recruit not just MO and TX hard, but also hitting FL, GA, TN hard and recruiting nationally more than we ever have before? Yes we still have the same individual coaches assigned to STL and KC and what not, but in terms of overall team effort from our staff, it may be more of a strain. And if Missouri high school coaches and players sense less attention being shown to them by Mizzou then before, then you could see them going all EZE on us more.

Other thing is, we were all frustrated with Yost as an OC, but we still don't know what impact was had by losing him as our recruiting coordinator, which was his title. He was the closer and hardest worker on the DGB recruitment. Little ideas he had like getting DGB's favorite obscure food to have for dinner on his recruiting visit, little things like that that came from Yost may have been things that he helped other coaches with even on recruits he wasn't directly assigned to. We just don't know, but its known that Yost was a well-liked coach on the MO recruiting trails for being personable and friendly and all that. Who has filled that void on our staff now, or perhaps is it a void that hasn't been filled?
Posted by Mizzou Fan in Da ATX
Member since Dec 2011
4184 posts
Posted on 8/11/13 at 5:20 pm to
One other thing I was just looking at...in terms of supplementing ourselves, and I know we have tried for years and never seem to get a good foothold there, but the real potential goldmine where we could compete for top recruits close to home lies directly to our east. In 2013, only 2 of the top 10 players in Illinois stayed in-state for college, with 1 going to the Illini and 1 to Northwestern. Mizzou, with Josh Augusta being part of that top 10, was on par with Illinois and Northwestern in recruiting that state already in that regard. The Top 3 players in Illinois not only left the state, they signed with non-Big Ten schools. In fact, of the Top 35 players in the Rivals rankings for the state of Illinois last year, there were more players who left to go play for out of state non-Big Ten schools (12) than the number of players who stayed home to play for either Illinois or Northwestern combined (8). It's a free-for-all in the Land of Lincoln right now. Might be good strategy to focus more on trying to capitalize.
Posted by mograyback
Member since Jul 2011
7102 posts
Posted on 8/11/13 at 6:12 pm to
quote:

Mizzou Fan in Da ATX



Dare I say the 'blog' thing went to your head a little, just a little bit. Just kidding, but not really...
This post was edited on 8/11/13 at 6:14 pm
Posted by semotruman
Member since Nov 2011
23179 posts
Posted on 8/11/13 at 8:22 pm to
My biggest concern with Yost's departure was recruiting, and I can't help but think that's had a negative impact on our recruiting efforts.
Posted by reedus23
St. Louis
Member since Sep 2011
25485 posts
Posted on 8/11/13 at 9:13 pm to
I went back and took a look at where the top in state guys were going and where they were from. One of things I noticed, that MIGHT MAYBE POSSIBLY contribute to the difficulties in STL is there are a billion high schools here. It's by no means scientific, but going back to about '07, the kids out of STL that went to larger D1 schools came from 31 different high schools. KC kids came from roughly 18 different high schools. Could that make it difficult to develop relationships with the high school coaches when there are so many different programs? Dunno.

The other thing I noticed about STL recruits is (and Killz will love me for this) but most of them come from "west" STL schools, which would include the St. Charles Schools. A couple kids from Parkway North, one from Hazelwood Central, but no other kids from schools North or South County. For those familiar, none from the other Hazelwood schools, Pattonville or from the Lindbergh's, Oakville's or Mehlville's in South County.

The other curious thing is how poorly we do with Rock Bridge in Columbia. MU has gotten 1, while GA has gotten 3 to go with CU, Nubs, OU, WF and Northwestern.

On the west side of the state, we've been poor at Blue Springs, which is dominated by the kansas schools. But the one that surprised me was Rockhurst, which I thought was almost a farm system for MU, but we've gotten only 1 of the last 7 kids to go to larger D1 schools. Interesting, the last kids MU got from there was Drew Temple who never made it to MU. Was there something with his situation that might have soured the coach on MU?

Now, for the part that Killz will like me for. The part of the state that seems to best support MU as far as percentage of kids who commit to the larger D1 schools, it would clearly be Springfield. 5 out of 7 kids committing to MU. 1 to Arky and OU each. Really would have thought Arky and OU would be bigger players in Springfield.
Posted by outlawjoseywales
Memphis, TN
Member since Sep 2012
1835 posts
Posted on 8/11/13 at 9:45 pm to
It is more St. Louis than the west side of the state. Boone County has been a four letter word for a lot of high school coaches in STL for over 20 years.

When I was in grade school and high school (75-82) we owned STL and ESTL. Now there was no website or cable tv or any other media device that we have now. The PHL feed Mizzou with players. There no longer is a PHL where football is concerned.

I think the thing that drives me crazy is we have no in state competition like FLA, GA, TX, and IL have to contend with but yet we struggle to close the borders. Great school and great college town and we still have to beg and borrow to get the in state player to stay home.
Posted by reedus23
St. Louis
Member since Sep 2011
25485 posts
Posted on 8/11/13 at 9:55 pm to
quote:

It is more St. Louis than the west side of the state. Boone County has been a four letter word for a lot of high school coaches in STL for over 20 years.


I didn't go back 20 years, but in the last 5, unless my math is off, MU has pulled 22 kids from STL and 19 kids from KC. The problem isn't limited to STL, it's statewide (this year at least). 35 kids in STL went to other larger D1 schools during that time, while 30 was the number in KC. That's about 40% of kids that commit to larger D1 schools choosing MU from both cities.
Posted by semotruman
Member since Nov 2011
23179 posts
Posted on 8/11/13 at 10:05 pm to
And then the question comes in - who did we want? Some kids may be highly rated, but not a fit so we didn't pursue them too hard. They have to balance needing to seal the borders with getting players that we want. And the last part is what we don't know. The staff may not be terribly unhappy.
Posted by reedus23
St. Louis
Member since Sep 2011
25485 posts
Posted on 8/11/13 at 10:19 pm to
No question semo, and I wasn't about to go and figure out which one's we offered much less try to figure out which were high targets. For instance, I know a QB out of DeSmet went to SMU and I don't think MU ever offered. I was just kind of curious to see if there were any trends with any schools or parts of the state in general. Really, the only things that jumped out to me I talked about. St. Louis doesn't have any one or two high schools that you can call football factories that you can concentrate on, which I have to imagine makes it more difficult. Of the so-called football factories, 2 in KC and 1 in COMO really aren't sending kids to MU at all, at least in the last 5 years. Oh, and Springfield is football paradise when it comes to Mizzou football.
This post was edited on 8/11/13 at 10:20 pm
Posted by mograyback
Member since Jul 2011
7102 posts
Posted on 8/11/13 at 10:39 pm to
They don't wanna play at MU, frick em

Posted by Mizzou Fan in Da ATX
Member since Dec 2011
4184 posts
Posted on 8/11/13 at 10:46 pm to
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The other curious thing is how poorly we do with Rock Bridge in Columbia. MU has gotten 1, while GA has gotten 3 to go with CU, Nubs, OU, WF and Northwestern.


As a Rock Bridge alum I give a lot of leeway to this, cuz I'm a living example. It's really hard to grow up in CoMo living there for 18 years and not want to get out and experience the world a bit away from home for college like most kids who are coming to Mizzou from some other town do. Mizzou is so very central to everything about the city of Columbia, that whether valid or not, most Rock Bridge and Hickman kids kinda feel like they've already experienced everything that goes with being at and around Mizzou by time they reach 18. It was very, very trendy and cool for kids to go off somewhere else for school when I was at RB for that reason. I myself went to Vandy even though I was a diehard Mizzou fan and never stopped rooting for them first, foremost and only. And I must add that if I had been a star athlete with the ability to don an actual Mizzou uniform and make a career out of it, I probably would have stayed. But I can definitely understand the psychology of those CoMo kids who are good recruits but just want to GTFO for a bit. It's the greatest college town on Earth, no question, but when your parents live 10 blocks down the road, well, you know...
Posted by reedus23
St. Louis
Member since Sep 2011
25485 posts
Posted on 8/11/13 at 10:50 pm to
I kind of figured that played a big part in it. It certainly would have felt like I was staying at home and going into college, literally staying at home was the last thing I wanted to do. I was just a bit surprised but completely understand that feeling.
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