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re: Rewatched the game

Posted on 9/4/17 at 9:29 am to
Posted by JesusQuintana
St Louis
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Posted on 9/4/17 at 9:29 am to
Probably the most accurate part of the article

quote:

The bad was all people wanted to talk about yesterday, though. That’s partially because sports fans are miserable and always want to focus on the bad when possible. It’s also partially because the bad was really, really bad.
Posted by JesusQuintana
St Louis
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Posted on 9/4/17 at 9:46 am to
Here are some examples though

Third down play. Safety and Nickel both cover nobody which I'm guessing was not a part of the play that was called

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5 missed tackles on one play. Huge gain

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The 3rd and 24 play. Safety help way late. Two missed tackles

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3 defenders covering one WR. Again, I'm guessing this wasn't the design

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Biesel bites on the motion, doesn't stay discipline and fill his gap. Huge gain

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Sherrills follows the motion. We have all 3 LB playing the same gap. Not supposed to happen.

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These are just what I found on Twitter. There are more examples. Everyone of those big plays are self inflicted by either being in the wrong spot, not knowing what responsibility they had, or missed tackles. Again, these are things that can reasonably be expected to be fixed. Whether they will be or not remains to be seen of course, but they can be. This wasn't a case of being in the right spot and just getting beat. This was consistently being out of position.

Odom said the game plan was too complicated. The players certainly looked unsure Time and time again. Hopefully he learned a lesson here. This defense doesn't have to be dominant. It probably can't be dominant with the talent issues in the back 7. It just can't be bad. If we can play even passable defense we have a good shot at a successful season.
Posted by TigerCruise
Virginia Beach, VA
Member since Oct 2013
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Posted on 9/4/17 at 12:14 pm to
You cant fix the talent level of the secondary which is basically dog shite. As I said before the season started, Sherills is overrated, Cheadle is awful, and it appears the Freshman have no idea what they're doing or know how to tackle.

Just expect to give up 40 ppg and plan accordingly on offense.
Posted by wubilli
Columbia
Member since Apr 2014
5517 posts
Posted on 9/4/17 at 12:35 pm to
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Cheadle is awful,

Cheadle had a solid game.
Ulmer played ok for a freshman
Main culprits for the 4 plays that made the D look bad we're Sherrils, Hilton, Hines, And the LBs.
If Perkins is healthy Hines and Hilton both play less.
Posted by JesusQuintana
St Louis
Member since Oct 2013
33369 posts
Posted on 9/4/17 at 12:44 pm to
We need Perkins back. He's a reliable tackler and we need that in the worst way.

Cheadle played fine. He also didn't draw their top WR, but he had a good game.

Acy was just brutal and that's very disappointing. We need him to step up and be CB1 in the worst way.

No idea why Hines even plays. I'm guessing he won't going forward.
Posted by SemperFi
St Louis
Member since Nov 2015
1537 posts
Posted on 9/4/17 at 2:05 pm to
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Main culprits for the 4 plays that made the D look bad we're Sherrils, Hilton, Hines, And the LBs.


The 43 points they gave up to MO ST

The 492 total yards(382 yards passing)

The missed tackle/assignments

The game stats are what made the defense look bad.

Let's see what changes they make week two when the real football starts.






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This post was edited on 9/4/17 at 2:51 pm
Posted by wubilli
Columbia
Member since Apr 2014
5517 posts
Posted on 9/4/17 at 2:10 pm to
Second half Mizzou gave up just over 100 yards, and 1 TD. Looked like the changes started to be made by late in the 2nd quarter.

On 4 plays Mizzou gave up 260 yards and 4 TDs. If the second half D was the D we see the rest of the season, that should be enough to give the team a chance to win.
This post was edited on 9/4/17 at 2:18 pm
Posted by navynuke
Member since Jun 2016
6515 posts
Posted on 9/4/17 at 2:39 pm to
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On 4 plays Mizzou gave up 260 yards and 4 TDs


Hilton was on the field for all 4 of the plays and never came close to finding the ball. Perkins has to get healthy so he can rotate with Ulmer.
Posted by wubilli
Columbia
Member since Apr 2014
5517 posts
Posted on 9/4/17 at 2:58 pm to
According to BO in his press conference today Mizzou had 1 play call on defense the entire second half. Says it was as base/vanilla as could be.
Posted by TigerCruise
Virginia Beach, VA
Member since Oct 2013
11898 posts
Posted on 9/4/17 at 3:36 pm to
So he didn't have his team ready to play or know what the shite they were doing on the field.

That's great news from our defensive Head Coach.

I mean you have to be fricking kidding me, what is this stupid defense he keeps trying to install THAT NEVER frickING WORKS.
Posted by Athos
Member since Sep 2016
11878 posts
Posted on 9/4/17 at 4:19 pm to
That actually makes Barry look even more incompetent as a D man.

Two seasons running he's tried to install whatever the frick it is he's trying to install after years of highly successful and very quick off the ball attack style D.

Either he's a shitty teacher or he's recruited complete airheads. Or worse, both.
Posted by wubilli
Columbia
Member since Apr 2014
5517 posts
Posted on 9/4/17 at 4:29 pm to
Bo has had 1 full class as a head coach.
13 first year players got into the game on defense.
If you exclude first and second year players, here's who Mizzou payed that were GP recruits: Beisel, Cheadle, Lee, Burkett, and Sherrils. Frazier, Hall and TBJ are GP recruits, but BO was DC when they were recruited.
Posted by JesusQuintana
St Louis
Member since Oct 2013
33369 posts
Posted on 9/4/17 at 5:40 pm to
I mean, you'd have to agree that non of that is particularly encouraging.

Why have a complicated game plan for Mo St anyway? Why did the players have so much trouble with it? Wasn't any of this evident during camp?

IDK man. The second half was much better, but one play is not going to work against SC.

Just get it fixed
Posted by MIZ_COU
I'm right here
Member since Oct 2013
13771 posts
Posted on 9/4/17 at 8:18 pm to
quote:

After early breakdowns, Missouri simplified its defense against Missouri State
It seems with the guys we recruit the defense can't be simple enough
Posted by ZOUtiger
Member since Aug 2016
1317 posts
Posted on 9/4/17 at 9:09 pm to
I don't understand how BO said the D was vanilla at the halftime interview, then says it was too complicated.

Posted by MIZ_COU
I'm right here
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Posted on 9/4/17 at 9:24 pm to
My take was the D was vanilla, but still too complicated for our college boyz.
Posted by TigerCruise
Virginia Beach, VA
Member since Oct 2013
11898 posts
Posted on 9/4/17 at 11:03 pm to
Or Barry is trying to reinvent the fricking wheel with some bullshite zone read defense that all the players fricking hate.

I'm going with Charles Harris last year, they tried to implement a read and react defense which blows goats.
Posted by Mizzou59
Mid-MO
Member since May 2016
397 posts
Posted on 9/5/17 at 8:27 am to
After rewatching the game myself (with Jack Daniels by my side), I feel much more confident when I say Mizzou can still field a good football team in 2017. Here are my takeaways, good and bad, from the MOST game:

• Crockett reminds me a ton of Le'Veon Bell in terms of running style. Both are physical runners who are sometimes frustratingly patient with inhumanly quick feet. How many runs did Crockett have where he literally never got touched for 20 yards? And I'm not talking about it being because of the OL.

• I can tell Cross is still trying to implement the TCU stuff on the back end of the defense. It's sound as hell and damn near unstoppable when run correctly. But it takes lots of reps and is therefore ROUGH when you have freshmen back there. It requires a lot of communication before and during the play and that is hard for guys who aren't used to that stuff. Watch how many times our DB's aren't even set at the start of the play bc they're talking to each other. This will (hopefully) get better as the season goes along, but for now it is best to be patient with it.

• As a high school OL coach, our front five are a thing of beauty to watch. Elarbee has got those boys playing nasty. Still have some things to clean up (getting the head across on backside scoops) but overall they get an A for the game.

• Beckner is going to be a little tentative for a while bc of his knee injuries. It's just natural. That's why his getoffs have been so poor. Even on his one sack, he lined up a yard off of the ball and was initially catching the OL instead of attacking. He is still physically dominating, but it's usually too late in the play for it to matter.

• Johnathon Johnson has the heart of a lion. The guy goes all out every play. His pancake on the CB on J'Mon Moore's screen TD was a perfect example.

• I was very relieved to see our defense sucked not for lack of talent or heart, but because we had guys not doing their own job. A lot of guys tried too hard to make a play. As crazy as this sounds, it's true. LB's know that they aren't supposed to be the first guy there on a jet sweep. But because they were, they were completely vulnerable to the various companion plays off of it. DB's were jumping underneath routes and leaving the medium/long range routes wide open behind them. Just watch the play where 3 guys immediately bite on the tunnel screen and abandon the wheel route. If the back end guys wait a second longer to see what's going on, we could limit those big plays to short gains. Our guys just need to calm down, don't go until they know, and do THEIR job instead of overreacting.

All in all, I am seeing the glass half full when it comes to our defense right now. I think we'll look rough against SCAR and Auburn, but we will turn the corner once we get into the middle of the schedule. Our offense is phenomenal. I don't care if it was MOST. To make division one football players consistently look that stupid isn't normal. Do I think we'll look exactly like that vs UGA/UF/Auburn? Of course not. But we are definitely capable of putting up 35+ against those guys.
Posted by Wtodd
Tampa, FL
Member since Oct 2013
68474 posts
Posted on 9/5/17 at 8:39 am to
quote:

Biesel bites on the motion, doesn't stay discipline and fill his gap

I think most of the problems centered around people "trying to get theirs" instead of playing gap control/specific assignments.....discipline, discipline, discipline.....we need a shite load of it.
Posted by TigerCruise
Virginia Beach, VA
Member since Oct 2013
11898 posts
Posted on 9/5/17 at 10:31 am to
I honestly think this a consequence of playing so many players and not have an established depth chart. These guys are literally out there trying to win their position still.

I fricking hate this "OR" crap
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