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re: OK, so the offense is truly bad
Posted on 9/27/15 at 12:02 pm to jafo
Posted on 9/27/15 at 12:02 pm to jafo
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Look guys. I was totally against throwing Lock to the dogs this year. Still there is a stitch of me that still believes it's way too soon to put him in there as a starter. I was relying and hoping Mauk would suddenly show up. He doesn;t have the supporting cast to do this right now. It's coming, just not here yet.
I agree. This dumpster fire definitely isn't all on Mauk, though he bears his share of responsibility. But for all the reasons we've talked to death, it's just not working. With this cast of players, and nothing changing to shake things up, I don't see where the wins come from to salvage a decent season. I'm not a melter, but realistically...I just don't see where we find wins with this offense. And if we've lost Brothers on defense? And Simon? We are in a world of hurt. I haven't heard anything yet, except Brothers having an MRI to evaluate for ligament damage. Which doesn't sound good at all.
The question is Pinkel. We know he's stubborn to a fault, but he knows things we don't. Remember in 2012 and 2013, when Franklin struggled and we were all begging for him to play Mauk? We saw flashes of brilliance from Mauk and were convinced he couldn't be worse than Franklin, and called for Pinkel's head for not making that obvious choice? In retrospect, do we see it differently?
Look, I'm ready to see more Lock for all the reasons everyone has said - he's the future, better chemistry, better numbers, could be fantastic if allowed to get consistency. But Pinkel has won back to back East championships for a reason. He believes in consistency and sticks with things. I don't see him changing to Lock unless we lost multiple games (likely) or Lock proves he's the better choice to lead the team to wins (possible). Or Mauk gets hurt; which again is likely based on shitty OL play.
In other words - I don't see him staring Lock yet. We will have to lose a few more first.
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Posted on 9/27/15 at 2:43 pm to Mizz-SEC
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Where did you hear / see / read this?
His post-game press conference?
I can write Gary's press notes for him, I am that good.
I know what he's gonna say before he says it. "Don James wouldn't pull his quarterback after one bad game and neither will I"..
you see Gary, it's been more than "one bad game" though, which are the words nobody will have the balls to say to him, outside of maybe one or two of his coaching staff in private.
Posted on 9/27/15 at 2:51 pm to semotruman
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We saw flashes of brilliance from Mauk and were convinced he couldn't be worse than Franklin, and called for Pinkel's head for not making that obvious choice? In retrospect, do we see it differently?
and yet watching Matty sling if from the hip into the endzone was still more fun than watching Franklin put his head down for another 2 yard QB keeper. For me it wasn't so much Mauk being "better" it was just that he was a lot more fun to watch much of the time. His penchant for rolling out and looking like he might go anywhere gave that hint of a "matty football" in the making. He's also as fearless at running through the middle of the field as Franklin was.
Sometimes it's as simple as wanting to be entertained by a "no huddle- spread- uptempo offense" that's constantly on the verge of putting you to sleep.
Posted on 9/27/15 at 4:15 pm to Jagd Tiger
IDK. The 2013 offense with Franklin was much more exciting to me than anything Mauk has been able to put together.
Posted on 9/27/15 at 6:35 pm to MIZ_COU
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Sometimes, but his medium and long throws are high floaters and frequently under thrown. Makes me wonder about his arm strength. He should have several more interceptions but the defenders keep dropping them. On the other hand his screens which should be soft are like bullets.
No need to worry about his arm strength. One of his first passes was a laser down the field. A throw Mauk could never dream of making. Having said that. he does need to learn not to take too much off when he does try to throw with touch down the field. But arm strength? Not a problem.
And his screens are not bullets. They are just quick and not floated out there like Mauk. The only one I can remember him throwing to hot for a receiver was the one over the middle to Richard and I get why he did. He was trying to fit it into a small area. Still hit Richard right in the hands.
I'm not saying he's Chase yet, but he's by far the best QB we've seen other than Chase.
Posted on 9/27/15 at 6:37 pm to Remote Controlled
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I just know that when Lock walks on the field, I perk up and salivate.
So does the team.
Posted on 9/27/15 at 7:43 pm to semotruman
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by semotruman
Well I can and have to agree. Some other thoughts and opinions . In a nutshell, there is hype surrounding Lock just like there was Mauk, just like there was Franklin. Naturally when things aren't going good fans will want the backup in there. The difference I see between the Franklin/Mauk vs Mauk/lock is that lock is leap years ahead of Mauk in the same time frame. There is an obvoius talent difference between the two. Not only right now but compairing them as freshman QB's. I'm no expert. But in the few series he has played, Lock improves. Lock is not affraid to throw the ball in tight spaces and does it with accuracy and confidence. I don't see this with Mauk, really never have. Mauk thrives on a wing and a prayer. Lock calulates and performs.
I truly believe the QB is the leader of the offense and the offense is an expression of it's leader. Not just the OC. I also believe a leader with Locks ability can pull others up towards his level of play. In other words when the ball is being delivered where it needs to be and the receiver fails, it pressures the other players to step up and play up and not play down. It goes for the lineman too. They see this kid come in and light up a defense it make them put more effort into their responsibilities this includes run blocking as much as pass block. It's got be a huge deflating feeling when your QB goes out and over throws, under throws and gives the ball to the defense on numerous series. The effort to me starts to lack as confidence in the QB to deliver lacks.
But by no means is Lock there yet. But this kid is close. He needs to figure out the redzone offense to start scoring. I think after he gets that first TD, it'll take some pressure off and he'll get a groove.
Posted on 9/28/15 at 8:38 am to JesusQuintana
QB is probably last on the list of problems with the offense...surely you all can see that. Problems to fix BEFORE you blame Mauk for our inability to score points.
1. Run Blocking. It is horrid. we can't get 1 or 2 yards on 3rd/4th and short. We barely get 100 yds rushing a game, and it isn't for a lack of carries. Heck, Mauk runs for about 30% of the yards on scrambles.
2. Running Backs. Russ is still hurting. Tyler Hunt has made the only big plays of the year, but doesn't get much time. Ish goes down easy. Abbington isn't getting it going. Strait garbage.
3. Receivers. Talk about drops. If we get the easy catches for touchdowns, we aren't having any of these conversations. Can't block for shite.
4. Pass Blocking. Getting better, but still not great.
5. QB play. Mauk needs to just tuck and run every chance he gets. He is the best Running back we have currently and he is actually pretty good at finding open space. He shows flashes of improvement, and then lapses back to his old ways. Lock needs more awareness. Can't take sacks and put us out of FG range. Also needs to learn how to shake off bad throws. Throws one and his mind is done for the day.
There are 4 glaringly obvious things we should be criticizing well before the QB play.
1. Run Blocking. It is horrid. we can't get 1 or 2 yards on 3rd/4th and short. We barely get 100 yds rushing a game, and it isn't for a lack of carries. Heck, Mauk runs for about 30% of the yards on scrambles.
2. Running Backs. Russ is still hurting. Tyler Hunt has made the only big plays of the year, but doesn't get much time. Ish goes down easy. Abbington isn't getting it going. Strait garbage.
3. Receivers. Talk about drops. If we get the easy catches for touchdowns, we aren't having any of these conversations. Can't block for shite.
4. Pass Blocking. Getting better, but still not great.
5. QB play. Mauk needs to just tuck and run every chance he gets. He is the best Running back we have currently and he is actually pretty good at finding open space. He shows flashes of improvement, and then lapses back to his old ways. Lock needs more awareness. Can't take sacks and put us out of FG range. Also needs to learn how to shake off bad throws. Throws one and his mind is done for the day.
There are 4 glaringly obvious things we should be criticizing well before the QB play.
Posted on 9/28/15 at 8:42 am to 5thTiger
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Lock needs more awareness. Can't take sacks and put us out of FG range. Also needs to learn how to shake off bad throws. Throws one and his mind is done for the day.
Thanks for the analysis, Mrs. Mauk.
Posted on 9/28/15 at 8:51 am to 5thTiger
It's certainly not the only issue, but last?
Hell no
Hell no
Posted on 9/28/15 at 8:53 am to JesusQuintana
Last is a stretch...but it is certainly below the other 4 things on my list.
Posted on 9/28/15 at 8:55 am to 5thTiger
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QB is probably last on the list of problems with the offense...surely you all can see that. Problems to fix BEFORE you blame Mauk for our inability to score points.
I disagree completely.
1. Run Blocking. It is horrid. we can't get 1 or 2 yards on 3rd/4th and short. We barely get 100 yds rushing a game, and it isn't for a lack of carries. Heck, Mauk runs for about 30% of the yards on scrambles.
Defenses know that Mauk is going to run or hand off, he hasn't been able to throw effectively this season and teams are playing the run. You know how you open up the run game? By throwing effectively.
2. Running Backs. Russ is still hurting. Tyler Hunt has made the only big plays of the year, but doesn't get much time. Ish goes down easy. Abbington isn't getting it going. Strait garbage.
The only point here I agree with. Mizzou has terrible personel management when it comes to RB. 3rd and long Hunt is on the field, 2nd and goal from the 1, Witter is on the field, it's mind boggling.
3. Receivers. Talk about drops. If we get the easy catches for touchdowns, we aren't having any of these conversations. Can't block for shite.
Someone needs to look up how many drops the receivers have with Lock throwing the ball. Mauk throws the hardest ball to catch I've ever seen. It's never near the face or chest of the receivers. It always requires an adjustment or his just beyong their reach. You look at all the drops and I garauntee you that except for maybe a handful most of them were caused by shitty ball placement.
4. Pass Blocking. Getting better, but still not great.
Pass blocking is fine, Mauk and Lock have all day most of the time. Mauk can't find open receivers and then runs around and chucks the ball up. Outside of Lock's sack that he took he had a strong pocket to throw from.
5. QB play. Mauk needs to just tuck and run every chance he gets. He is the best Running back we have currently and he is actually pretty good at finding open space. He shows flashes of improvement, and then lapses back to his old ways. Lock needs more awareness. Can't take sacks and put us out of FG range. Also needs to learn how to shake off bad throws. Throws one and his mind is done for the day.
Lock is trying to run Mizzou's offense, he consistenly hit's WRs in stride and puts the ball where they can catch it easily. He has had a few bad throws, but for the most part is accuracy has been on point. Lock also showed he can run if he has too. Mauk is one dimensional. He can run, he would be perfect in Navy's offense, but in a spread you need an accurate arm, something he does not have. The guys career passing percentage is around 50%, that is abyssmal and is not going to change unless they play UConn again and he throws 10 swing/screen passes.
There are 4 glaringly obvious things we should be criticizing well before the QB play.
And almost all of them are the result of shitty QB play
This post was edited on 9/28/15 at 8:57 am
Posted on 9/28/15 at 9:01 am to 5thTiger
I don't agree
Posted on 9/28/15 at 9:14 am to TigerCruise
Its okay to disagree...but the saying goes, the running game opens up the passing game. We have no threat of a running game.
Opposing defenses don't blitz much anymore because mauk scrambles pretty well. They drop 7 into coverage against our 4/5 receivers. The math doesn't add up there.
Without the threat of a legit run game, the pass game becomes so much more difficult.
Mauk isn't without criticisms from me. He has to get rid of those "bad Maty" throws. I'd also like him to scramble more when nothing is there instead of chucking the ball to our stone hands receivers.
Receivers have to catch the ball when it hits them in the hands. That is just the way it is. You can say Lock throws a better ball, which he does, but it is still the receivers job to catch the ball when it hits them in the hands.
Opposing defenses don't blitz much anymore because mauk scrambles pretty well. They drop 7 into coverage against our 4/5 receivers. The math doesn't add up there.
Without the threat of a legit run game, the pass game becomes so much more difficult.
Mauk isn't without criticisms from me. He has to get rid of those "bad Maty" throws. I'd also like him to scramble more when nothing is there instead of chucking the ball to our stone hands receivers.
Receivers have to catch the ball when it hits them in the hands. That is just the way it is. You can say Lock throws a better ball, which he does, but it is still the receivers job to catch the ball when it hits them in the hands.
Posted on 9/28/15 at 9:25 am to TigerCruise
WR play is killing every part of our team. When defenses only have to play single coverage on our WR it allows them.to load up the box. It doesn't matter who our QB is. It hurts our OL push and the routes our RB can run.
Until they give teams a reason to worry about a WR the offense will look bad. That is the biggest difference between our teams in the last two years.
Until they give teams a reason to worry about a WR the offense will look bad. That is the biggest difference between our teams in the last two years.
Posted on 9/28/15 at 9:31 am to 5thTiger
We can bitch about what our QB is doing and all the dropped passes, but it all leads back to recruiting.
Missing out on 3 in-state WR recruits in 2012 has depleted our depth and seniority. Having Shepard or Neal would give us what we need.
Missing out on 3 in-state WR recruits in 2012 has depleted our depth and seniority. Having Shepard or Neal would give us what we need.
Posted on 9/28/15 at 9:33 am to MizzouBS
Agreed that our Oline is piss poor, but that combined with Ish's incapability to see a hole = death.
Ish is our 3rd maybe our 4th best rusher.
Ish is our 3rd maybe our 4th best rusher.
Posted on 9/28/15 at 9:37 am to MizzouBS
Focusing to much on DGB may have hurt us more than we could have realized.
Last year we didn't just focus on Beckner. In 2012 we focused to heavily on DGB and it is biting us in the arse now.
Last year we didn't just focus on Beckner. In 2012 we focused to heavily on DGB and it is biting us in the arse now.
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