re: Oc decision made

Who's Saunders?

I asked Dave mattet on Twitter this same q. And he saud tommy was a volunteer without being a G.A didn't think it would happen. He said Bobby Kennedy should get a call was wr coach at UT and recruiting coordinator

WE DO WHAT WE DO

muthafrickaz!

I realize that the Mizzou AD/boosters/whoever was driving the boat were somewhat swinging for the fences with first Chaney and then Jeff Tedford at the last minute, and I realize continuity is good and all...but at some point, if this is really a "nationwide" search that we do on these things, isn't it odd how in scouring the entire nation, the last two times the best OC candidate in the whole wide world for us has been right there under our noses on our staff the whole time? Isn't it nutty how Pinkel's nephew also happens to be the bestest canidate in the whole wide world when he was hired?

Don't get me wrong I get that a lot of the coaching trees are about connections and who knows who. But that's one thing; being incestuous is another. Pinkel is...the latter.

Isn't it funny how when Frank Haith does national searches for assistant coaches, it results in brilliant/high quality hires like Tim Fuller, Ernie Nestor, Isaac Chew, Ryan Miller, Dave Leitao etc? Guys who often times are such amazing up and coming stars that we can't even hold onto them for more than a year, or in Miller's case even a couple of months? Guys who DID NOT come from within Haith's "inner circle" but nonetheless blend together and put a quality product out there for us? Just food for thought.

I think you're preaching to the choir at this point. It's kinda one of those we'll really around what we have for one more year kinda things.

I was over this whole search when Chaney went to r-kansas, not that I was completely sold on him, I just really wanted some new blood.

Maybe Henson will show us something.

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You guys know that before we hired him Henson was the recruiting coordinator at LSU, right?

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Yes, and I'll give him a fair shake. Never been an OC before, so I'm gonna go with the positive approach and hope he makes a difference.

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Maybe if it fell to a hire between Henson and Hill.

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You can't see me, but I'm making my shocked face.

OMG!!!!!111!!1

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What a tired line and drum that gets beat by the "hate Pinkel" crowd.

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It's a line that Pinkel uttered. It would seem to me it's a pretty "pro-Pinkel" thing to do to quote him. And its his stance. He wants everything and all hires to come from within. CMA was the same way, which I will get to in a second. So I'm not putting that issue of "WDWWD" on the table. Our head coach is.

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Can we just see what happens next year? Comparing hiring BB assistants to FB assistants? Really man?

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The comparison can be made across any sport: is a head coach married to "hiring from with in" and strongly steering everything toward "his guys" or is he open minded to finding the best candidate whereever that person may come from? That issue cuts across any sport, be it football, basketball, or frickin' water polo. Hell it cuts across any job hire of any kind, period.

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Some of the fan base is just looking for reasons to be pissed regardless of what happened.

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I can assure you I'm not. I am supportive of all of what Pinkel has done to truly revive this program and bring it to the point its been at. Similarly, I think (and this will be unpopular here) that Mike Anderson IS a very, very good basketball coach and he DOES deserve credit for reviving the Mizzou hoops program in the wake of the destruction and mess left in Quin's wake. Pinkel and Mike Anderson are similar that way: they both are quality enough coaches that they brought us out of the depths. That doesn't mean they both don't share a potential flaw that I have the right to question: a stubborn, potentially impractical loyalty to hiring "their guys" and keeping them together. Loyalty and continuity of program being the key buzzwords as to why they think that's the way to go. To an extent, that is a valid thought process. When things are working. But when you are whiffing on big time recruits unless they were related to you or you were roommates with their dad (like Anderson) or the playcalling has major tactical issues and all the internal potential successor guys were already up in the booth helping call said questionable plays last year for you like with Pinkel's staff this year, then it becomes highly questionable not to look elsewhere for a talent infusion or shakeup or just to make sure you have the BEST person for the job.

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I think its funny you bring up Haith because NO ONE in the fan base thought he was a good hire, I mean no one. Folks wanted to fire Alden after that hire and this same mantra and theme was repeated on TB and PM. Almost the same narrative you just presented. "Haith is the best we could do with a national search" and so on.

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Me thinks thou doth protest too much. Nobody really knew who the frick Pinkel was either. Unless doing random stuff in the MAC qualifies as success to you, both he and Haith were relatively obscure hires. BUT this being a discussion of assistant coach hiring at all, I will say that the fanbase ALSO started feeling immediately slightly more at ease on Haith when they got wind of his hirings of Fuller and Chew for recruiting purposes and hiring Ernie Nestor for an X's and O's perspective - if Haith had been dead set on bringing his whole Miami FL staff *with* him (as Pinkel brought his whole Toledo staff and still clings to them as much as he can to this day, and as CMA brought as much of his UAB staff as he could save for Watkins)...well, yeah, our fanbase would have freaked out all the more if Haith had brought the whole Miami FL fam. But he didn't. And our fanbase was pretty damn jazzed when they heard we were pulling Tim Fuller away from Rick Pitino, it was at that point people realized Haith wasn't screwing around. Conversely, these internal hires and staunch "what we do works, just gotta keep doing it" stances from the football regime do open it up to calling it into question in the wake of last year. It just does. Doesn't make us bad fans or whiners or bellyachers. This is the first post you've even SEEN from me personally on the subject. All it makes us is pragmatists who want the best for the Mizzou program, like you do, but have apparently more reservations about the insistance on internal hires than you do.

WDWWD has been used as a dig on Pinkel since it was said. Its been taken out of context and used as catch phrase by those that disapprove of him and his moves. Trying to spin it up another way isnt going to fool anyone who has read Tigerboard or PowerMizzou in the last few weeks.

Hiring a staff is a different animal when it comes to BB and FB. Another glaring reality is that our BB program has much greater national profile that the FB program.

The funny thing about this hire is if he was still at LSU and was brought in he would be viewed much differently, An SEC guy, knows what it takes to win in the SEC, has recruiting ties in the south etc.

There was a national search for the position. According to sources that would know no fewer than 20 candidates OUTSIDE the program were considered. Some of them turned down the offer. Thats the reality this program faces.

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Me thinks thou doth protest too much

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Just presenting an opinion. It is relevant though. Many of the exact same things were said and posted when Haith was hired and the AD was questioned about their commitment to winning. All Im implying is that regardless of feelings on the hire no one knows how its going to work out in the end, he could be great, he could be terrible. Pinkel wasnt going anywhere this year regardless but I suspect another year like last one and he will be on thee way out.

Fans can obviously do what they want and bitch and moan to they're content. Fans are fans, Some are more rational than others. Im not questioning anyone's loyalty to the program or fandom in general.

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Hiring a staff is a different animal when it comes to BB and FB.

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I just spent several lines in the above post already explaining to you my stance that the issue of hiring from within or without cuts across any sport or any job and you are circling back to the same refrain again. So I guess with respect to this and the rest of your stances, which you are entitled to, well,

And frickin' A, of course I hope we have the best offense in the country next year. It's not like I'm rooting for Pinkel or Henson to fail. But they are mortal just like we are, and its not whiney or bitchy or moany for us as fans to be nervous about the track we may be on. But I certainly hope its the right track.
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