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Mizzou needs to clean house
Posted on 3/22/13 at 2:53 pm
Posted on 3/22/13 at 2:53 pm
Haith
He's a cheating unprofessional loose cannon. Despite his suburban butler appearance he's a thug pos.
Pressey did what he wanted all year. Oriahki was lazy yesterday, yet Bell get's benched. He's underachieved both years he's coached at Mizzou, and clearly underachieved while at Miami. No reason he isn't on a very hot seat.
Haith should have recognized an extra guard would have drastically changed the dynamic of the game, would have given Mizzou a speed and skill advantage.. even the announcer recognized this late in the game.
This is all you need to know about Frank Haith (besides the strip clubs with sleaze ball boosters, paying players, his old team sucking while he was there now a top 5 team, besides all that.. this is what you need to know about Frank Haith).
Fast forward to 2 minutes.
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Pinkel
Mr. Family man turned out to be a fraud in the family department, now his most precious tag line means nothing. That's a big deal.
It's like Wal-Mart saying 'everyday low prices' for years, then it comes out that they are the most expensive retailer. It would destroy the brand. Just as Pinkel has destroyed his brand (although he's trying desperately to hang onto the 'family' thing).
We saw this bite us in the arse with Andy Bauer, he made direct comments about family.
Mike Alden
He's liked be most of you, he's gotten things rolling at Mizzou, but ultimately this man is a huge geek. I realize you all need something more than that, but it's just how it is... he's not a great AD, he's not the type of man that should be running an athletic department. Let's put it this way, he would be really great at going to the furniture store to help his wife with interior design decisions.
He's a cheating unprofessional loose cannon. Despite his suburban butler appearance he's a thug pos.
Pressey did what he wanted all year. Oriahki was lazy yesterday, yet Bell get's benched. He's underachieved both years he's coached at Mizzou, and clearly underachieved while at Miami. No reason he isn't on a very hot seat.
Haith should have recognized an extra guard would have drastically changed the dynamic of the game, would have given Mizzou a speed and skill advantage.. even the announcer recognized this late in the game.
This is all you need to know about Frank Haith (besides the strip clubs with sleaze ball boosters, paying players, his old team sucking while he was there now a top 5 team, besides all that.. this is what you need to know about Frank Haith).
Fast forward to 2 minutes.
LINK
Pinkel
Mr. Family man turned out to be a fraud in the family department, now his most precious tag line means nothing. That's a big deal.
It's like Wal-Mart saying 'everyday low prices' for years, then it comes out that they are the most expensive retailer. It would destroy the brand. Just as Pinkel has destroyed his brand (although he's trying desperately to hang onto the 'family' thing).
We saw this bite us in the arse with Andy Bauer, he made direct comments about family.
Mike Alden
He's liked be most of you, he's gotten things rolling at Mizzou, but ultimately this man is a huge geek. I realize you all need something more than that, but it's just how it is... he's not a great AD, he's not the type of man that should be running an athletic department. Let's put it this way, he would be really great at going to the furniture store to help his wife with interior design decisions.
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Posted on 3/22/13 at 3:49 pm to mograyback
Mogray, you're entitled to your opinions. But do you know any of these people personally? Do you know Mike Alden is a huge geek?
I do know Mike Alden. He's not a geek. And he's very qualified to be running an athletic department. He works incredibly hard for Mizzou, and is a savvy businessman. He has built Mizzou athletics into an organization that was attractive to the best conference in the country. You think the SEC would have been interested in Mizzou 10 years ago? No. Is there still work to be done, and things that need to improve? Yes - but cleaning house to the extent of pushing Alden out the door is an overreaction.
Pinkel was a good hire, and has been a very good coach for Mizzou. He's nearing retirement age, and has had some personal issues that may make it time for him to go. But that was a good hire on Alden's part.
A year ago, Haith was COY. Now, he's widely criticized. The truth is somewhere in the middle, and whether or not he was a good hire won't be known for another year or two.
I do know Mike Alden. He's not a geek. And he's very qualified to be running an athletic department. He works incredibly hard for Mizzou, and is a savvy businessman. He has built Mizzou athletics into an organization that was attractive to the best conference in the country. You think the SEC would have been interested in Mizzou 10 years ago? No. Is there still work to be done, and things that need to improve? Yes - but cleaning house to the extent of pushing Alden out the door is an overreaction.
Pinkel was a good hire, and has been a very good coach for Mizzou. He's nearing retirement age, and has had some personal issues that may make it time for him to go. But that was a good hire on Alden's part.
A year ago, Haith was COY. Now, he's widely criticized. The truth is somewhere in the middle, and whether or not he was a good hire won't be known for another year or two.
Posted on 3/22/13 at 4:04 pm to semotruman
The Mike Alden portion of the OP was low hanging fruit. I do not really think he needs to be pushed out. I know all the good things he's done, which is why I said specifically that he has gotten things rolling for Mizzou. But yes, he is an extremely nerdy guy, and yes I've met him, but meeting him isn't necessary to know he's a weekly pedicure kinda guy. Saying Mizzou is in better shape today than 10 years ago isn't the strongest argument to support Alden. Mizzou was coming off of 20 years of not caring about athletics, almost anyone could have stepped in and trended up, especially with the newfound commitment from the university to invest in athletics.
The 'somewhere in the middle' stuff with Haith is just pure nonsense, it's a cop-out approach.
Didn't say it was a bad hire. Said his 'family' brand is now ruined. And you approached defending Pinkel through the Alden door, which doesn't really make sense...
The 'somewhere in the middle' stuff with Haith is just pure nonsense, it's a cop-out approach.
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Pinkel was a good hire, and has been a very good coach for Mizzou. He's nearing retirement age, and has had some personal issues that may make it time for him to go. But that was a good hire on Alden's part.
Didn't say it was a bad hire. Said his 'family' brand is now ruined. And you approached defending Pinkel through the Alden door, which doesn't really make sense...
Posted on 3/22/13 at 4:18 pm to semotruman
I guess we all have our faults/weaknesses. Doesn't matter who would replace any of those names, there would still be faults/weaknesses.
Alden - He's done a good job picking up the pieces with the 2 major sports. At the time Pinkel was a good hire. Verdict is still out on Haith. I do have a hard time believing Alden knew NOTHING about the Miami situation. Had to be rumors at the very least. He did a good job getting Mizzou out of the Tejas 12 and into the SEC. Facility improvements under his reign. The only other criticism I have of Alden off the top of my head is the way he's handled some of the secondary sports. I think he deserves the chance to try to elevate Mizzou to the next level. His seat is and should be cold.
Pinkel - Was a solid hire at the time. Elevated the football program from the doldrums, even if he likes to pick and choose his stats to make the program sound better than it is. Don't blame him for doing that though. I do question if he's maximized his potential though. Last season goes without saying. Last recruiting class goes without saying. I fear the next recruiting class because last year we at least had a solid base with some of the top in state kids and this year most of those kids have already committed elsewhere. Add to it his personal issues and his impending retirement and I'd just as soon move on but likely won't happen so I'll patiently wait for the next HC in a couple years. As far as I'm concerned his seat is and should be hot just waiting for him to go.
Haith - Inherited a sucky situation from MA. Patched together a team that had loaded talent but underachieved, lacked chemistry and heart. I put some of the blame on Haith for not showing improvement with this team after having them for a season. I'm no basketball expert but watched enough to see in game coaching that makes you question his ability. Having said that, he deserves the chance to see what he can do with kids he's had here for 3-4 years, though there's been enough history to say his seat is maybe not warm but approaching it.
Alden - He's done a good job picking up the pieces with the 2 major sports. At the time Pinkel was a good hire. Verdict is still out on Haith. I do have a hard time believing Alden knew NOTHING about the Miami situation. Had to be rumors at the very least. He did a good job getting Mizzou out of the Tejas 12 and into the SEC. Facility improvements under his reign. The only other criticism I have of Alden off the top of my head is the way he's handled some of the secondary sports. I think he deserves the chance to try to elevate Mizzou to the next level. His seat is and should be cold.
Pinkel - Was a solid hire at the time. Elevated the football program from the doldrums, even if he likes to pick and choose his stats to make the program sound better than it is. Don't blame him for doing that though. I do question if he's maximized his potential though. Last season goes without saying. Last recruiting class goes without saying. I fear the next recruiting class because last year we at least had a solid base with some of the top in state kids and this year most of those kids have already committed elsewhere. Add to it his personal issues and his impending retirement and I'd just as soon move on but likely won't happen so I'll patiently wait for the next HC in a couple years. As far as I'm concerned his seat is and should be hot just waiting for him to go.
Haith - Inherited a sucky situation from MA. Patched together a team that had loaded talent but underachieved, lacked chemistry and heart. I put some of the blame on Haith for not showing improvement with this team after having them for a season. I'm no basketball expert but watched enough to see in game coaching that makes you question his ability. Having said that, he deserves the chance to see what he can do with kids he's had here for 3-4 years, though there's been enough history to say his seat is maybe not warm but approaching it.
Posted on 3/22/13 at 4:27 pm to mograyback
So Pinkel getting a divorce means he's not a family man?
Posted on 3/22/13 at 4:45 pm to URHatinIt
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So Pinkel getting a divorce means he's not a family man?
Ummmmm, yes???? At least as far as the former Mrs. Pinkel is concerned.
Posted on 3/22/13 at 5:06 pm to URHatinIt
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So Pinkel getting a divorce means he's not a family man?
The Pinkel company tag line was 'family', it was the essential ingredient to his brand. He was then caught driving drunk, which we later find out had implications with his affair. He pissed on his own family, cheated on his wife. Continuing with the 'family' theme is like putting a round object in a square hole, it doesn't work.
Don't break it down like that, I know you're ultra simple, but things aren't always simple. A coach can get a divorce and still be a family man, the WAY in which Pinkel got divorced through cheating means he pissed on his family, meaning the 'family man' brand is now weak at best.
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Posted on 3/22/13 at 7:17 pm to mograyback
I get what your saying. But I'll go back to what I said in another thread. Alden missed his opportunity to replace GP when he got the DWI. Alden could have learned something from the Arky/Patrino fiasco. Arky did it right, Mizzou just missed the boat.
I kind of am looking at this in another context also. Kind of like the MA deal where he failed to recruit his last year at Mizzou. Pinkel is hurting the recruiting by staying. It's not like he's setting here getting ready to retire at the top of his game. Hence the loss of Bauer to Ole Miss. I'm sure there are other that have not been as candid about thier reasons they decommited or just never commited. I think Pinkel is a coach who has outlived his stay.
This in no way is an opinion on Pinkels coacjing ability. I think he's a decent coach, just been in one place too long and too many bad things have transpired.
I kind of am looking at this in another context also. Kind of like the MA deal where he failed to recruit his last year at Mizzou. Pinkel is hurting the recruiting by staying. It's not like he's setting here getting ready to retire at the top of his game. Hence the loss of Bauer to Ole Miss. I'm sure there are other that have not been as candid about thier reasons they decommited or just never commited. I think Pinkel is a coach who has outlived his stay.
This in no way is an opinion on Pinkels coacjing ability. I think he's a decent coach, just been in one place too long and too many bad things have transpired.
This post was edited on 3/22/13 at 7:18 pm
Posted on 3/22/13 at 8:03 pm to jafo
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This in no way is an opinion on Pinkels coacjing ability. I think he's a decent coach, just been in one place too long and too many bad things have transpired.
Very much agree.
Posted on 3/22/13 at 9:36 pm to HermannMIZ
This is pretty telling...(HermanMIZ)
This pair took another Mizzou 1st round loss in NCAA tournament way too seriously. That is probably not the story you were referencing, but it "jumped out" to me.
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me for my insensitivity!
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FRIDAY, MARCH 22, 2013 2:00 PM Two jump into Missouri River KANSAS CITY (AP) — Kansas City police say a father and daughter are presumed dead after they jumped, holding hands, from a highway bridge into the frigid Missouri River.
This pair took another Mizzou 1st round loss in NCAA tournament way too seriously. That is probably not the story you were referencing, but it "jumped out" to me.
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me for my insensitivity!Posted on 3/22/13 at 9:40 pm to Bogie00
Jesus.... what the hell. I wish that father survived so he could be waterboarded for the rest of his life... that just makes me seriously pissed.
Posted on 3/22/13 at 11:35 pm to mograyback
We are one of the biggest underachievers in college sports. We live in a good sized state with a solid population and two major markets. What we have done with that in the last 50 years is pathetic. I'm so damn tired of "waiting until next year".
I don't give a shite who runs the program, or who the coaches are (within reason - no big time cheaters) just win something, ANYTHING other than in wrestling. Let's get real, we are neither a football or basketball school, because we routinely shite down our legs in both. It's disgusting. Just freaking win.
I don't give a shite who runs the program, or who the coaches are (within reason - no big time cheaters) just win something, ANYTHING other than in wrestling. Let's get real, we are neither a football or basketball school, because we routinely shite down our legs in both. It's disgusting. Just freaking win.
Posted on 3/23/13 at 9:47 am to mograyback
Just to clarify, they were both adults. The daughter was in her 30s.
Posted on 3/23/13 at 10:54 am to the808bass
Ahh, that is now just sad instead of sick.
Posted on 3/23/13 at 4:16 pm to Mizzou4ever
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I don't give a shite who runs the program, or who the coaches are (within reason - no big time cheaters) just win something, ANYTHING other than in wrestling. Let's get real, we are neither a football or basketball school, because we routinely shite down our legs in both. It's disgusting. Just freaking win.
It is pretty frustrating how a university that does put out relatively competitive teams has NEVER (at least in my lifetime) been able to get over that hump and win a thing.
Posted on 3/24/13 at 5:20 pm to reedus23
We did not lose Bauer because of family values. Although he stated that. We lost him and maybe the other big time OL in the state this year because of the Offense we run!!! It does not produce NFL caliber OL.
Tim Barnes and Colin Brown are the only 2 O Linemen I can think of that made a team from the high powered Pinkle Offense. Neither are starters. This is a pro style conference. Line up with a hand on the ground and push forward. Blocking and tackling at it's best. We do not have an Offense that can do that right now. And these OL prospects are being convinced of it by big time, sweet talking, promise you the world recruiters. Yes I just described every recruiter in the SEC except for the Missouri recruiters.
Tim Barnes and Colin Brown are the only 2 O Linemen I can think of that made a team from the high powered Pinkle Offense. Neither are starters. This is a pro style conference. Line up with a hand on the ground and push forward. Blocking and tackling at it's best. We do not have an Offense that can do that right now. And these OL prospects are being convinced of it by big time, sweet talking, promise you the world recruiters. Yes I just described every recruiter in the SEC except for the Missouri recruiters.
Posted on 3/24/13 at 6:39 pm to Mizzou4ever
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We are one of the biggest underachievers in college sports. We live in a good sized state with a solid population and two major markets. What we have done with that in the last 50 years is pathetic. I'm so damn tired of "waiting until next year".
I don't give a shite who runs the program, or who the coaches are (within reason - no big time cheaters) just win something, ANYTHING other than in wrestling. Let's get real, we are neither a football or basketball school, because we routinely shite down our legs in both. It's disgusting. Just freaking win.
Mizzou gets respect in basketball. That's why they made the NCAAt and was in the Top 25 for awhile.
I for one know a lot of boosters down south pay players under the table. Now if you see football players at Mizzou coming from a poor background and all of a sudden driving Escalades and cars with $3,000-$5,0000 RIMS, nice paint jobs then maybe their players are getting paid. I've never heard of stuff like that going on at Mizzou.
I've personally known players that was broke as shite that went to certain schools down south, come home to visit driving NICE cars. Strange.
ETA: Mizzou will get better. Honest posters on the SEC Rant even say that. People love fricking with Mizzou fans, but I've seen a lot of people saying Mizzou will get better in football.
Mizzou will always be in the top half of the SEC in basketball, just need the right coach to get them to the Final 4. Mizzou's overall athletic program in both football and basketball was ranked in the 30's(by ESPN). That's damn good considering over 100 FBS schools and 300 Div 1 basketball schools.
This post was edited on 3/24/13 at 6:44 pm
Posted on 3/24/13 at 6:45 pm to bayou2003
Hard times around here Bayou, hard times.
But good to get that positive viewpoint from someone without the emotional attachment.
But good to get that positive viewpoint from someone without the emotional attachment.
Posted on 3/24/13 at 10:08 pm to bayou2003
I appreciate your sentiment bayou. The respect hasn't brought us even one final four yet though. And you don't live in KC and have to put up with all the ku BS this time of year.
We have had what, one noticeable football season (07) on a national scale since the 70's. Our first year we stink up the sec joint etc..It just get's old man, real old.
We have had what, one noticeable football season (07) on a national scale since the 70's. Our first year we stink up the sec joint etc..It just get's old man, real old.
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