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Posted on 3/19/18 at 8:04 pm to reedus23
Posted on 3/19/18 at 8:04 pm to reedus23
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think ideally, he doesn't play more minutes AT THE TWO
Curious why you think that. Offensively there’s not much of a difference between the 2 and 3. Defensively Santos has the athleticism to defend and he 2-4 positions.
Posted on 3/19/18 at 8:14 pm to wubilli
Ummmmm, because it means that either Watson or Pickett or both are legit and contributing. That would be ideally.
Ideally, that it would mean he could play 10 at the 3, meaning MPJ plays 30 and he could play 10 at the 4, meaning Jontay/Puryear are playing 30 and he could play 10 at the 2. That is 30 minutes of a 40 minute game. If he plays 10 at the 2, that means someone/combination of others is playing 30. Assuming Suggs and CVL are out, that means Watson and Pickett are playing 15 minutes or more.
Ideally, it gives you more depth all around if Watson and/or Pickett are legit and contribute right away.
Ideally, it allows you to move Santos around based on match ups.
I can keep going if you like on why it would be a good thing if Santos isn't a given to have more minutes at the 2 spot than either Watson or Pickett.
Ideally, that it would mean he could play 10 at the 3, meaning MPJ plays 30 and he could play 10 at the 4, meaning Jontay/Puryear are playing 30 and he could play 10 at the 2. That is 30 minutes of a 40 minute game. If he plays 10 at the 2, that means someone/combination of others is playing 30. Assuming Suggs and CVL are out, that means Watson and Pickett are playing 15 minutes or more.
Ideally, it gives you more depth all around if Watson and/or Pickett are legit and contribute right away.
Ideally, it allows you to move Santos around based on match ups.
I can keep going if you like on why it would be a good thing if Santos isn't a given to have more minutes at the 2 spot than either Watson or Pickett.
Posted on 3/19/18 at 8:23 pm to reedus23
I don't think we'll see Santos at the 2 at all. He'll play the wing, and possibly some 4 if needed.
He's a decent ball handler, probably a bit better than Barnett but he's not a guard.
He's a decent ball handler, probably a bit better than Barnett but he's not a guard.
Posted on 3/19/18 at 8:25 pm to reedus23
The Jontay/Puryear combo combined to play 50 minutes this season. So you’re thinking that it’s ideal that they play less next season?
I don’t see Pickett as having an impact as a freshman. And don’t think Watson is a plug and play guy. As a sophomore I think Watson will be good, but see him as a 20 minute or less player as a freshman.
I don’t see Pickett as having an impact as a freshman. And don’t think Watson is a plug and play guy. As a sophomore I think Watson will be good, but see him as a 20 minute or less player as a freshman.
Posted on 3/19/18 at 8:30 pm to wubilli
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Offensively there’s not much of a difference between the 2 and 3.
I don' disagree with that but now you're changing the point of view. So lets break it down a different way then blurring the lines between the 2, 3 and 4. There are 40 minutes a game at 5 different positions. That is 200 minutes. Ideally...
25 minutes - Ramey
10 minutes - Pinson
5 minutes - Geist
30 minutes - Porter
30 minutes - Santos
20 minutes - Watson/Pickett
10 minutes - Pickett/Watson
25 minutes - Jontay
15 minutes - Puryear
25 minutes - Tilmon
5 minutes - Nikko (some of Jontay's minutes would fill in here)
Notice that Santos plays more but some of those minutes will be at the same time that Watson/Pickett on the floor, whether that is as a 2 or a 3 or a 4.
Posted on 3/19/18 at 8:30 pm to JesusQuintana
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He's a decent ball handler, probably a bit better than Barnett but he's not a guard.
If Cuonzo goes back to the offense used the first half of the year, there is very little difference in how the 2, 3 and usually the 4 are used.
Barnett showed that when he was locked in that he could defend the best perimeter players Mizzou faced. Santos is a similar type of athlete. Mizzou coaches think Santos has NBA potential.
Posted on 3/19/18 at 8:34 pm to wubilli
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The Jontay/Puryear combo combined to play 50 minutes this season. So you’re thinking that it’s ideal that they play less next season?
I think it's ideal that that Puryear play less. I like the fact that he's stuck with Mizzou through it all but the reality is that the less he plays means the better we are.
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I don’t see Pickett as having an impact as a freshman. And don’t think Watson is a plug and play guy. As a sophomore I think Watson will be good, but see him as a 20 minute or less player as a freshman.
Yeah, so I think we're saying the same thing. On my last break down, I'd be perfectly happy to take the Pickett/Watson minutes and give them to someone else.
Posted on 3/19/18 at 8:34 pm to reedus23
That’s a pretty good breakdown, I would make a few edits. I would play Jontay 30 minutes. Geist is likely to get the wing minutes you have allocated to Pickett. Pickett’s recruiting ranking and rating were barely better than CVL and lower than Suggs the walkon.
Posted on 3/19/18 at 8:36 pm to wubilli
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The Jontay/Puryear combo combined to play 50 minutes this season. So you’re thinking that it’s ideal that they play less next season?
YES!!!! If that means Jontay is playing more minutes and Santos is getting some minutes away from Puryear, I think that means we are overall a better team.
Posted on 3/19/18 at 8:41 pm to wubilli
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I would play Jontay 30 minutes.
I would agree with that. I'm sure I would tweak it too. I literally did it off the cuff admittedly.
Probably right about Geist too. That was probably wishful thinking on my part because I'm just not a fan at all.
Posted on 3/19/18 at 8:45 pm to reedus23
Geist has really been forced to play a position he wasn’t recruited for the last 2 seasons. KA said when Geist came that he was recruited to be a bench player that comes in to give energy, toughness and some defense. If the roster fills out as we would like that’s his role as a senior.
Posted on 3/19/18 at 8:49 pm to wubilli
I can only hope. Because he is not good at basketball.
Posted on 3/19/18 at 8:58 pm to reedus23
I hate to wake up from the dream but is there any chance that MPJ has slipped to 10 or lower in the draft? I doubt it. The lowest I have seen him projected is at 7.
If he were to drop out of the top 10, financially, he might be better off to play a year. Being a top 3 pick will make double or more what someone outside of the top 10 makes.
If he were to drop out of the top 10, financially, he might be better off to play a year. Being a top 3 pick will make double or more what someone outside of the top 10 makes.
Posted on 3/19/18 at 9:12 pm to reedus23
Geist is for be in the right role. He wasn’t in that role this season. If he comes off the bench and plays about 15 minutes a game off the ball, that’s a role that he can be good in.
It similar to the Nikko discussion in another thread.
It similar to the Nikko discussion in another thread.
This post was edited on 3/19/18 at 9:55 pm
Posted on 3/19/18 at 11:51 pm to reedus23
I've seen him anywhere from 3 to 7, so he has to give up billions to come back
Posted on 3/20/18 at 7:07 am to MIZ_COU
Lol, billions?
Come on.
MPJ is not going in the top 5 this year.
He also seems like a kid who isn't going to make his decision based off of money. I don't know if it's ego or what, but I believe him when he says he wants to leave a legacy. If Jontay and MPJ return next year they will have the opportunity to do that.
Gabe said last night that people close to MPJ are saying he wants to come back, will he once the draft buzz starts after the tournament? I doubt it, but it's not unprecedented, happened last year with Miles Bridges.
Come on.
MPJ is not going in the top 5 this year.
He also seems like a kid who isn't going to make his decision based off of money. I don't know if it's ego or what, but I believe him when he says he wants to leave a legacy. If Jontay and MPJ return next year they will have the opportunity to do that.
Gabe said last night that people close to MPJ are saying he wants to come back, will he once the draft buzz starts after the tournament? I doubt it, but it's not unprecedented, happened last year with Miles Bridges.
Posted on 3/20/18 at 1:49 pm to TigerCruise
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Let's dream for a moment
can we not?
Posted on 3/20/18 at 2:05 pm to TigerCruise
quote:really
Lol, billions?
billions
not kidding
seriously
Posted on 3/20/18 at 10:34 pm to TigerCruise
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He also seems like a kid who isn't going to make his decision based off of money.
But even look at the money.
If (and it's a big if), he has dropped to a #10 pick, he makes roughly $10m in his first 3 years. If he stays and is a #1 pick, he makes $14.6m in his first two years ($22.8m in first 3). So on the same exact date 3 years from now, he potentially has more money in the bank by staying in college another year, much less the fact that his 3 year take is double being a #10 pick.
I suppose the argument could be made that the bigger money lost is in endorsements. But I think the same argument can be made that the endorsement deals for the #1 pick are double that of a #10 pick so it's a wash as well.
Problem with that entire line of thought is that the lowest projection I have seen is #7.
Post this in the thread "Let's dream for a moment" for a reason.
Posted on 3/21/18 at 12:29 am to reedus23
Also doesn't take into account that without a great season next year he drops and it costs him big money
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