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Posted on 2/25/14 at 10:50 pm to Cratebeast
frick Kronke (both Stan and Josh)
frick Quinn
frick Haith
these are my thoughts
frick Quinn
frick Haith
these are my thoughts
Posted on 2/25/14 at 10:52 pm to Mizzou4ever
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Mizzou4ever
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Martin was snatched up by the Vols while we were still in a coaching search.
Now that I reflect, you are correct. I live in TN and remember people being "excited" that because we had acted so quickly we got what possibly would have been Mizzou's choice.
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Cratebeast
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Keep in mind that Pearl's show clause runs into August.
Sports talk in TN (where 90% of UT fans want him back) keeps saying that he can appeal this and get it cut to the end of this season. First I heard about it was this week, but the beat writer for UT (who for the record said UT would not hire Pearl back because the Chancellor who fired him is still the same guy) said it earlier this week as if it was just a formality.
Posted on 2/25/14 at 11:08 pm to Cratebeast
Southern Illinois (12-17): 35-34 at half.
Hawaii (19-8): 45-46 at half.
Gardner-Webb (16-13): 31-29 at half.
IUPUI (6-23): 57-50 in 2nd half.
Northwestern (12-16): 34-39 at half.
Nevada (13-15): 62-57 with about 5:00 left in game.
West Virginia (15-12): 25 point lead reduced to 7 in 2nd half.
W. Michigan (18-8): 66-60 final says it all.
Illinois (15-12): 64-65 loss to a bad team.
Long Beach State (12-14): 37-34 at half.
I'll give them UCLA and NC State, but the rest of those OOC games? Pure dog shite. Those games should have been big double digit leads by half time. And look at the records of most all of those teams. Not only are they sisters of the blind, they are the sisters of the blind "B" teams. Even their wins were butt ugly.
Hawaii (19-8): 45-46 at half.
Gardner-Webb (16-13): 31-29 at half.
IUPUI (6-23): 57-50 in 2nd half.
Northwestern (12-16): 34-39 at half.
Nevada (13-15): 62-57 with about 5:00 left in game.
West Virginia (15-12): 25 point lead reduced to 7 in 2nd half.
W. Michigan (18-8): 66-60 final says it all.
Illinois (15-12): 64-65 loss to a bad team.
Long Beach State (12-14): 37-34 at half.
I'll give them UCLA and NC State, but the rest of those OOC games? Pure dog shite. Those games should have been big double digit leads by half time. And look at the records of most all of those teams. Not only are they sisters of the blind, they are the sisters of the blind "B" teams. Even their wins were butt ugly.
Posted on 2/25/14 at 11:14 pm to reedus23
We shouldn't be surprised...Haith was 129-101 at the U, and 43-69 in conference play. As bad as the play on the court has been, I am just as disappointed in the 2 years of recruiting under Haith. Rosburg, Clark and Williams is all we have to show. Williams has upside, but overall disappointing.
Posted on 2/25/14 at 11:19 pm to ZouDawg88
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I am just as disappointed in the 2 years of recruiting under Haith. Rosburg, Clark and Williams is all we have to show. Williams has upside, but overall disappointing.
Don't forget NWC...oh wait.
But there's Janko...oh nevermind.
I've tried to go easy on Williams, being a freshman, and maybe he will still turn into a player, but he fricking hit nothing but backboard on a shot from 3 feet away. No rim. No net. Just backboard. 3 feet.
Posted on 2/25/14 at 11:27 pm to Garfield
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Sports talk in TN (where 90% of UT fans want him back) keeps saying that he can appeal this and get it cut to the end of this season. First I heard about it was this week, but the beat writer for UT (who for the record said UT would not hire Pearl back because the Chancellor who fired him is still the same guy) said it earlier this week as if it was just a formality.
Well, that's interesting. I knew he could appeal it, but I didn't know people actually thought he'd win.
Even if he didn't win, I guess it's only a summer of recruiting. Piggybacking on the last couple posts: Haith's first year of high school recruiting pulled in Rosburg, Webster Chan, Jankovic, and Bull. Pearl could probably do better than that with the summer off.
Posted on 2/25/14 at 11:28 pm to reedus23
I couldn't even watch tonight. Just had a bad feeling about it all day.
With all the talent and support Haith has, fielding a team that underachieves like this, relative to talent, is unacceptable. I just don't even know what else to say. So disappointed and frustrated.
With all the talent and support Haith has, fielding a team that underachieves like this, relative to talent, is unacceptable. I just don't even know what else to say. So disappointed and frustrated.
Posted on 2/26/14 at 12:04 am to everytrueson
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Hell even in their wins they piss me off because of their lack of effort and teamwork.
Posted on 2/26/14 at 6:01 am to Cratebeast
Eustachy is an intriguing idea, we would have two jumbo drinking coaches in the two main sports. 
Posted on 2/26/14 at 6:02 am to reedus23
Why is everyone surprised we are having a bad season? Did y'all think we were never going to run into growing pains as a result of the coaching transition? Anyone could have predicted this season and next are going to be rough. A rough season or 2 are a part of the coaching transition. We've been lucky to avoid them thus far, and Haith deserves the credit for that. But, he just couldn't prolong the inevitable forever.
This post was edited on 2/26/14 at 6:04 am
Posted on 2/26/14 at 6:44 am to MIZ_STL
Either you didn't watch the game or I feel safe in ignoring anything you say about basketball from now on.
Eta: it's not the losses. It's the fashion of the losses. The Alabama game the other night was as uninspired a defensive performance as I've seen from a Mizzou team in a while. They were playing for their season and came out listless and flat.
That is inexcusable.
I wouldn't mind a bad year if it looked like it would lead to something. This just looks like it's leading to more bad basketball.
Eta: it's not the losses. It's the fashion of the losses. The Alabama game the other night was as uninspired a defensive performance as I've seen from a Mizzou team in a while. They were playing for their season and came out listless and flat.
That is inexcusable.
I wouldn't mind a bad year if it looked like it would lead to something. This just looks like it's leading to more bad basketball.
This post was edited on 2/26/14 at 6:57 am
Posted on 2/26/14 at 7:19 am to the808bass
We already knew this team couldn't play defense before last night's game. We've known that all season. The players on this team aren't good at defense and aren't interested in playing it. That's what happens sometimes when you have to build a team piecemeal with whatever leftovers you can get while you are simultaneously building a program longterm.
Sometimes you end up with a team that is entirely one dimensional because you have no post presence AND no one who can pass effectively. Do you know how easy it is to stop a one dimensional team, especially on the road, especially when the 3's aren't falling? Eventually the coaching change was going to catch up to us. Everyone should have known that was going to happen. The surprise that this development has caused y'all leads me to "feel safe ignoring anything you say about basketball from now on."
Come on, we both want the same thing here: success for the team. We just happen to disagree about the best way to get to the level of success we both want. That doesn't mean we have to get in a pissing match, each of us trying to land cheap digs. We can have a reasonable discussion.
I don't think Haith is the best X's and O's coach, but he has surrounded himself with a lot of coaching talent and Kim English vouches for his basketball acumen every chance he gets. When I weigh my outside opinion vs the coaching talent on the bench and the opinion of English, I consider that maybe this year's players just suck at defense, can't pass, and don't have a leader. No amount of coaching can change that.
Sometimes you end up with a team that is entirely one dimensional because you have no post presence AND no one who can pass effectively. Do you know how easy it is to stop a one dimensional team, especially on the road, especially when the 3's aren't falling? Eventually the coaching change was going to catch up to us. Everyone should have known that was going to happen. The surprise that this development has caused y'all leads me to "feel safe ignoring anything you say about basketball from now on."
Come on, we both want the same thing here: success for the team. We just happen to disagree about the best way to get to the level of success we both want. That doesn't mean we have to get in a pissing match, each of us trying to land cheap digs. We can have a reasonable discussion.
I don't think Haith is the best X's and O's coach, but he has surrounded himself with a lot of coaching talent and Kim English vouches for his basketball acumen every chance he gets. When I weigh my outside opinion vs the coaching talent on the bench and the opinion of English, I consider that maybe this year's players just suck at defense, can't pass, and don't have a leader. No amount of coaching can change that.
This post was edited on 2/26/14 at 7:46 am
Posted on 2/26/14 at 7:58 am to MIZ_STL
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The players on this team aren't good at defense and aren't interested in playing it. T
That is a coaching issue.
Yes. This is a piecemeal team. And it will be next year. And probably even the year after that. At what point is that the coach's fault?
Why did Torren Jones get 0 minutes last night?
Do you see one four year player on our roster who has all-conference written on them?
Our team is one dimensional this year. How much of that is the coach's fault? And it sure beats being no dimensional. Because that's what we'll be next year.
Will Rector and/or Jones be the NWC/Jankovic/Bull of next year? Wouldn't surprise me. I think he has almost no plan as to how to manage his roster.
So, to recap:
1) good recruiter with caveats
2) mediocre X and Os
3) poor motivator
4) uncertain as to how good he is at hiring and retaining assistant coaches
5) uncertain as to how good he is at managing a roster
This post was edited on 2/26/14 at 8:00 am
Posted on 2/26/14 at 8:15 am to the808bass
quote:I disagree. Good defense is a skill. You either have that skill or you don't. Yes, it is a skill that is improved through coaching and practice. But, with these players the baseline defensive skill is so low to start with, it will take more than 1 season's worth of coaching to catch up with more talented Division 1 rosters.
That is a coaching issue.
It's embarrassing that someone would argue that good defense just takes effort and motivation. That's just not true. It's a naive and inaccurate assessment of defense. Defense takes more than effort. It takes talent and this team just doesn't have it, regardless of how good a motivator Frank Haith is or isn't.
quote:I think the 2015-2016 season will be the breakout season with JW3 and Clark entering their 3rd season and Gant and Wright entering their 2nd season. If 2015-2016 is a disappointment, then I'll be ready to blame Haith. At the current time, Haith felt he needed to recruit transfers to blunt the impact of the coaching change. And, if we are being honest, his recruiting of transfers did blunt the impact of the coaching change. Obviously, it wasn't going to work forever. I think it's clear that Haith knows that as evidenced by his last 2 recruiting classes.
Yes. This is a piecemeal team. And it will be next year. And probably even the year after that. At what point is that the coach's fault?
quote:Haith recruited the players, so it's Haith's fault. But any coach we hired after MA would have run into the same problem either last year or this year. It was inevitable. Haith was able to prevent the collapse from happening last year and delayed it to this season with his transfers. You may disagree with that strategy, but it convinced Alden.
Our team is one dimensional this year. How much of that is the coach's fault?
This post was edited on 2/26/14 at 8:19 am
Posted on 2/26/14 at 8:16 am to the808bass
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it's not the losses. It's the fashion of the losses.
It's not just the wins either. It's the fashion of the wins. Go back and look at those scores on most of our OOC wins. Completely uninspired. Those teams should have been blown off the court by halftime. Instead, we struggled to get those wins. Probably the absolutely worst 12-1 team I have ever seen heading into conference play and it's only been exposed in a completely shitty conference. Yes, let's not forget that. Mizzou has been exposed in a conference that is about as weak as it can get.
Posted on 2/26/14 at 8:20 am to MIZ_STL
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The players on this team aren't good at defense, rebounding, passing the ball, ruuning an offense, playing as a team, basically playing basketball.
FIFY
Seriously though. If you can't play defense. If you can't rebound. If you can't get assists. If you can't run an offense. At some point don't you have to say they simply can't play basketball?
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Come on, we both want the same thing here: success for the team.
This we can all agree on.
Posted on 2/26/14 at 8:22 am to reedus23
quote:I have no disagreements with that statement. I just think the root of the problem is that the players are bad, not that the coach is bad.
Seriously though. If you can't play defense. If you can't rebound. If you can't get assists. If you can't run an offense. At some point don't you have to say they simply can't play basketball?
Posted on 2/26/14 at 8:23 am to the808bass
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Our team is one dimensional this year. How much of that is the coach's fault?
100% the coach. The players can't do anything about 1. who Haith chose to bring in; nor 2. the fact that they just aren't that good themselves.
Posted on 2/26/14 at 8:27 am to MIZ_STL
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I disagree. Good defense is a skill. You either have that skill or you don't.
It's still on the coach. Either he brought in guys with no skill or they have the skill and he's not coaching it.
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It's embarrassing that someone would argue that good defense just takes effort and motivation.
I won't say that's all it takes. It takes some athleticism and IQ as well, but defense is an area that can be played by guys that don't have "basketball" skills.
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I think the 2015-2016 season will be the breakout season with JW3 and Clark entering their 3rd season and Gant and Wright entering their 2nd season. If 2015-2016 is a disappointment, then I'll be ready to blame Haith.
As painful as it might be for the next year, I would agree that he should get the chance to get through that season. I don't know if it's a break out season or not, but if it's not, Haith needs to go.
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