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re: How Do You Build An Elite Program?

Posted on 1/6/15 at 1:33 pm to
Posted by Jagd Tiger
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Posted on 1/6/15 at 1:33 pm to

yep, they understand how to make their presentations "pop", which is a huge struggle for Mizzou.

maybe more relevant for the purposes of recruiting is:




These uni's look like they were meticulously crafted and rechecked for every detail, top quality design work... the Nike stuff done for Mizzou, by contrast, look's like it was done by the jv team of interns just hired off the street, thrown together and tossed over the wall with a "here ya go... good enough" snicker added on.. part of building a dominate program is understanding when to "accept good enough" and when to say "sorry this doesn't cut it",, in Alden we have a reactionary not a visionary, he's good at taking checks from donors, with strings attached, when it comes to having a big picture view, he's not even in the ballpark of what we need. Hopefully this is something our new Chancellor will correct, I expect Pinkels retirement and Aldens "move up" to his next career advancement to coincide, and that may be the only thing that can really get us to the next level, if we are to get there.

Having the Nike sugar daddy of Knight has clearly been the big factor, though it would be an interesting debate on how much Belotti vs Kelly had in contributing to clearing the final hurdles. Nike has donated 100's of millions and maybe added that much more in pro-bono design work(who knows) what's clear is Mizzou has NOTHING like that in our backyard. We got what 10million from some of the Walmart family mostly to build a new basketball arena for their kids to play in? Yea not even remotely in the ballpark when it comes to the differences in what these two billionaire entities have contributed respectively.

As for the so called "Rams" issue, I'm really sick of this line of reasoning that somehow pro sports are what is holding Mizzou back. There are pro sports in nearly every big programs home state not named Alabama. The Florida teams, Texas teams all contend with not just multiple pro franchises but neighboring DI powers as well. This is just a ready made excuse for people looking for excuses, it's a lame argument that deserves no time.

Oregon has put together a good program but it's not necessarily the only way it can be done. Plenty of schools have simply made the right hire and gone from pretender to contender, Kentucky and Vandy recruiting well in football wash away a huge amount of "can't be done" arguments from the usual crowd. Programs do turn around practically over night, and sometimes the reverse happens too, a few like the Nubs and Tenn are struggling to get back up the ladder. It really does start at the top and that's why the next regime could be the critical factor for us, what we know is that Pinkel and Alden are good at getting some basics done and in place, but if they really had "the knack" it would have been apparent long ago.





Posted by everytrueson
West Hollywood, CA
Member since Mar 2012
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Posted on 1/6/15 at 2:21 pm to
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Yep, little things like that. Higher quality/more concessions is key. I haven't been to Faurot in years, but it wouldn't surprise me to hear there's still piss troughs in the restrooms. I'm sure the south endzone has still got no services. The most important thing to me is the experience, especially when you're Mizzou and a huge number of potential attendees are coming from cities that are hours away with major league/NFL facilities.



Mizzou/SEC sent out their post season survey and I was sure to include the concessions in my comment section. They also need to have stadium wifi like the Chiefs and Royals do for free. We use up enough ad space on the video board, surely there is room for one more that would provide the WIFI service.
Posted by Mizz-SEC
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Member since Jun 2013
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Posted on 1/6/15 at 2:24 pm to
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It wouldn't surprise me to hear there's still piss troughs in the restrooms.


Yes, still there.
This post was edited on 1/6/15 at 2:29 pm
Posted by Jagd Tiger
The Kinder, Gentler Jagd
Member since Mar 2014
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Posted on 1/6/15 at 3:49 pm to
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Yes, still there.


somewhat illustrative of my point, an SEC-Faurot should be a veritable beehive of activity EVERY offseason, until we are so satisfied with the results that they are unquestionable. Visionary vs reactionary.



Posted by countrygrammar
Ohio
Member since Oct 2013
394 posts
Posted on 1/6/15 at 7:22 pm to
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How long does it take to build or destroy an elite program? And then secondarily, what are the most important criteria to becoming an elite program? Facilities? Top notch recruiters? A big time sugar daddy like Phil Knight?


Cash... And once a program is considered a Blue Blood there is no going back. Even during the lean years the media always talks up a Texas or Michigan hoping/wanting them to be a national power once again.

We need cash, an upgrade in facilities, and in my personal opinion a coach that has the personality to become a media darling. Not only do we need new toys but we need the media on our side as well.

But if we want to be real its all about the money.
Posted by TigerBornTigerBred
Member since Mar 2014
1399 posts
Posted on 1/6/15 at 11:48 pm to
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but we need the media on our side as well.


This will never happen sadly. The announcers were putting Minnesota on a pedestal over us for crying out loud, if we are lower than the Gophers in the medias view then there is zero chance of this happening.
Posted by JesusQuintana
St Louis
Member since Oct 2013
33366 posts
Posted on 1/7/15 at 12:02 am to
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We can certainly take a lot from Ohio State. They are a program that is similar in the fact that they are the main D1 university in the state. There are others, but no major schools. Ohio State does well because they push brands. Stadium is "The Shoe", "The Game" with Michigan, things like that. There is no reason why Mizzou can't fill up our stadium the way they do.


Other than their fanbase being much bigger than ours, having way more money, and being a true blue blood with elite history.

It's going to take a commitment and leap of faith from the university. They have to want to be a football school. We have to build top notch facilities and increase our football budget to the point we aren't at a major disadvantage...and we have to do all of this when we are having trouble selling out games. Good news is, looks like we are committed and things are moving in that direction.

Our fanbase and donor base will only grow larger as we have more success.
Posted by JesusQuintana
St Louis
Member since Oct 2013
33366 posts
Posted on 1/7/15 at 12:15 am to
We aren't. All fans think the "media is against them". We're respected. As respected as a program that hasn't won a conference title in damn near 50 years can possibly be.

We'll earn that benefit of the doubt that top programs get when we actually earn it.

Like I said, these things are built from the inside out. Everyone wants to jump Pinkel's arse for recruiting but the vast majority of top prospects go to the elite schools.

They visit the top schools...packed stands, amazing facilities, Heisman trophies, conference trophies, national title trophies etc

They visit Mizzou and they see an average stadium, below average facilities, empty seats etc

Yeah, recruit better! It's like trying to sell someone a Honda when the dude down the road is selling a Cadillac for the same price.

Keep building. GP is doing a phenomenal job with what we have now. The next guy will have better circumstances to work with thanks to Pinkel.
Posted by Mizz-SEC
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Member since Jun 2013
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Posted on 1/7/15 at 4:17 am to
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we need the media on our side as well.


I think this is turning, in the St. Louis area at least, especially with Pinkel. He's earning respect and seems much more personable and relaxed in interview situations than he used to.

And the volume of exposure is expanding too with 550 offering some kind of Mizzou content most every evening.
Posted by Jagd Tiger
The Kinder, Gentler Jagd
Member since Mar 2014
18139 posts
Posted on 1/7/15 at 8:44 am to

The SEC move has brought a lot of added exposure/interest both locally and outside the state. Don't discount the impact it is having, and yes, it is a bit disheartening that we haven't been able to show some significant gains in recruiting to go with this added exposure.

As for the idea of "lot's of cash" fixing it, well that is part of the answer but not all of it. After all if throwing money at a problem was the fix the US Govt would be the most successful in history, as it has printed/confiscated more cash and spent it, than any other entity in history.
Posted by TigerBornTigerBred
Member since Mar 2014
1399 posts
Posted on 1/7/15 at 12:33 pm to
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Yeah, recruit better! It's like trying to sell someone a Honda when the dude down the road is selling a Cadillac for the same price.

Keep building. GP is doing a phenomenal job with what we have now. The next guy will have better circumstances to work with thanks to Pinkel.



Like I've said before don't make the SEC move if you can't handle the expectations. We have no basketball program anymore, frick this I'm gonna ride their asses, they have to give me a reason to keep supporting them cause I'm close to walking away for good.
This post was edited on 1/7/15 at 12:36 pm
Posted by JesusQuintana
St Louis
Member since Oct 2013
33366 posts
Posted on 1/7/15 at 12:44 pm to
What?

I was talking about football. Hoops is in a major rebuild right now. IF KA can turn it around, it won't be for a couple years.
Posted by MizzouJim
Member since Nov 2013
425 posts
Posted on 1/8/15 at 12:41 am to
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This will never happen sadly. The announcers were putting Minnesota on a pedestal over us for crying out loud, if we are lower than the Gophers in the medias view then there is zero chance of this happening.


Did it occur to you that Minnesota was the underdog and that maybe the media hyped the Gophers a little to make the game seem more competitive and exciting?

Exciting games=greater viewership=more ad revenue.

We've also gotten more positive nationwide press since we moved to the SEC than any other period we've had in my lifetime.

If we want more, we'll have to earn it by winning the SEC and at least playing for a Natty. Then we'll have plenty of buzz and praise.
Posted by merlin1
Independence, MO
Member since Nov 2013
15 posts
Posted on 1/8/15 at 12:51 am to
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Like I've said before don't make the SEC move if you can't handle the expectations. We have no basketball program anymore, frick this I'm gonna ride their asses, they have to give me a reason to keep supporting them cause I'm close to walking away for good.


That should scare them.
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