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re: Anyone still think Berk is the best qb on this team?
Posted on 10/7/12 at 12:37 am to zou_keeper
Posted on 10/7/12 at 12:37 am to zou_keeper
I've learned to ignore most Arkansas posters. It's funny just to see them and Mizzoukills conversations 
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Posted on 10/7/12 at 12:39 am to Tom Sawyer
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I've learned to ignore most Arkansas posters
There are a few okay ones, it takes time to pick them out.
Posted on 10/7/12 at 12:44 am to zou_keeper
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Avoid porker. seriously. He hates mizzou and I just ignore anything he posts. He has gotten under my skin several times though.
Yes, avoid PorkerFace. And Dale Denton. Most of the Arky posters, actually. There are a few cool ones, and you'll figure them out quick enough - like Cheshire, 870, etc. Latarian is cool, but will get under your skin if you let him.
There are some good Alabama posters too, but generally you should avoid thatdude, teague and some of the others.
And zou keeper, I deal porker by either calling BS on him, or laughing at him when he tries too hard.
Posted on 10/7/12 at 12:47 am to semotruman
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I deal porker by either calling BS on him, or laughing at him when he tries too hard.
He is relentless and I would rather just not deal with him. Laughing at his mizzousession seems to fuel it more sometimes.
Posted on 10/7/12 at 12:51 am to zou_keeper
I think Porker is a MO-Hog or has lived in Missouri for a while.
That would explain a lot if you ask me.
That would explain a lot if you ask me.
Posted on 10/7/12 at 12:54 am to kilo
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That would explain a lot if you ask me.
agreed. He was my first impression of pig fans on here. I am still reluctant to trust/like any of them because of him.
Posted on 10/7/12 at 1:08 am to kilo
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I think Porker is a MO-Hog or has lived in Missouri for a while.
Yeah, I think he does live in Missouri, and has for a while. He's a piece of work.
Posted on 10/7/12 at 9:53 am to URHatinIt
Never said he was better than Franklin, but he could be as effective if used the right way. Yeh, he's not a true running style QB but he can still run the ball.
I can't believe you guys are flushing this kid down the toilet after what.....1 and a half games? The only game he got to take all the snaps for in practice was against ASU, his FIRST start. WTF???
Bash'n Berk is bullshite staight up. He really hasn't had the chance but in one game to try to prove himself and it was a game in which they fricking won! If I remember Franklin when he had chances to fill in he didn't look all that great either. Anyone!!!!!
He did do one thing Franklin did not do and hasn't done in awhile.....throw the damn ball over 15 yrds. He also scored a TD in which Franklin failed on two attempts.???? If Franklin is all we're building him up to be in this thread, then he should have finished those two drives he had in touchdowns and not field goals. He left 8 points on the field.
It's not easy being pushed into a game where your running for your life. It's not easy to complete passes when either you have 3 or 4 defenders in your face, pulling you to the ground or your recievers are dropping passes. All's Berk can do is try to get the ball where it's suppose to go. It's up to the line and recievers to do thier job.
Bashing and blaiming Berk for this loss is crap. Period. I was honestly supprised when I opened up this thread and read all the negativity about one guy. One player. WOW.....
I can't believe you guys are flushing this kid down the toilet after what.....1 and a half games? The only game he got to take all the snaps for in practice was against ASU, his FIRST start. WTF???
Bash'n Berk is bullshite staight up. He really hasn't had the chance but in one game to try to prove himself and it was a game in which they fricking won! If I remember Franklin when he had chances to fill in he didn't look all that great either. Anyone!!!!!
He did do one thing Franklin did not do and hasn't done in awhile.....throw the damn ball over 15 yrds. He also scored a TD in which Franklin failed on two attempts.???? If Franklin is all we're building him up to be in this thread, then he should have finished those two drives he had in touchdowns and not field goals. He left 8 points on the field.
It's not easy being pushed into a game where your running for your life. It's not easy to complete passes when either you have 3 or 4 defenders in your face, pulling you to the ground or your recievers are dropping passes. All's Berk can do is try to get the ball where it's suppose to go. It's up to the line and recievers to do thier job.
Bashing and blaiming Berk for this loss is crap. Period. I was honestly supprised when I opened up this thread and read all the negativity about one guy. One player. WOW.....
Posted on 10/7/12 at 10:01 am to jafo
If this season gets any worse ill buy the propane for yost and pinkel and turn of the heat on their seats.....pinkel needs to realize in a poor investment and cut his losses ie yost
Posted on 10/7/12 at 10:12 am to zou_keeper
As far as Porker.....
I think the dude is a genuine unhappy a-hole. It amazes me somebody hasn't kicked his tooth down to his arse. Yeh, I said tooth, aint no typo. He could only have one after all the knuckles he's prolly eat'n.
Thats all I can say about that little prick.
I think the dude is a genuine unhappy a-hole. It amazes me somebody hasn't kicked his tooth down to his arse. Yeh, I said tooth, aint no typo. He could only have one after all the knuckles he's prolly eat'n.
Thats all I can say about that little prick.
This post was edited on 10/7/12 at 10:13 am
Posted on 10/7/12 at 10:29 am to jafo
Our problems goes a hell of alot deeper than Berk. Our problems goes a hell of alot deeper than injuries too. Injuries does play a role of course, but this what, year 12 in this regime and we still haven't addressed the depth issue?
I don't care how many times people say coaches don't drop passes, coaches don't make dumb penalties etc...basically giving a coaching staff a free pass. A good coaching staff however has enough grit and smarts to adjust schemes/play calling to counter act what isn't working. We all knew before this season even started how piss poor this staff is in in game adjustments. It's rearing it's ugly head now more than ever. A good coaching staff puts their players in the best position to succeed. A clear example of how this staff fails this is the last 4 plays on offense. Vandy blitzed every damn down and Berk got plastered every damn down. NO frickING HELP...no extra blockers to protect him, no screens to offset the mad pass rush. How did they put Berk in a position to succeed?
The spread was ok in the Big 12, in a POS defense league, but it ain't happenin' in the SEC. I don't expect us to turn into a pro style, smash mouth offensive football team overnight, but it's apparent that should be this programs goal. I like Pinkel alot, but he is very stubborn, way too damn loyal to his coaching staff, and atrocious at in game adjustments. There is so many things wrong with this team, and some of it lands at the players feet, but it starts at the top.
This coaching staff came into this year unprepared and not having a real clue on how to adjust during this season like Pinkel said they would be doing. They figured there wasn't a whole lot of difference between the Big 12 and the SEC. They were wrong. Pinkel should not be on the hot seat because of this year, but he better show us he can adapt from being the coach who defends his coaching staff to a fault, to seeing the way things are and put together an SEC caliber staff. I personally have very little faith in this happening.
He told the fan base we needed to step up to the plate with this move, the fan base did. The problem is, he hasn't yet and we see the results.
I don't care how many times people say coaches don't drop passes, coaches don't make dumb penalties etc...basically giving a coaching staff a free pass. A good coaching staff however has enough grit and smarts to adjust schemes/play calling to counter act what isn't working. We all knew before this season even started how piss poor this staff is in in game adjustments. It's rearing it's ugly head now more than ever. A good coaching staff puts their players in the best position to succeed. A clear example of how this staff fails this is the last 4 plays on offense. Vandy blitzed every damn down and Berk got plastered every damn down. NO frickING HELP...no extra blockers to protect him, no screens to offset the mad pass rush. How did they put Berk in a position to succeed?
The spread was ok in the Big 12, in a POS defense league, but it ain't happenin' in the SEC. I don't expect us to turn into a pro style, smash mouth offensive football team overnight, but it's apparent that should be this programs goal. I like Pinkel alot, but he is very stubborn, way too damn loyal to his coaching staff, and atrocious at in game adjustments. There is so many things wrong with this team, and some of it lands at the players feet, but it starts at the top.
This coaching staff came into this year unprepared and not having a real clue on how to adjust during this season like Pinkel said they would be doing. They figured there wasn't a whole lot of difference between the Big 12 and the SEC. They were wrong. Pinkel should not be on the hot seat because of this year, but he better show us he can adapt from being the coach who defends his coaching staff to a fault, to seeing the way things are and put together an SEC caliber staff. I personally have very little faith in this happening.
He told the fan base we needed to step up to the plate with this move, the fan base did. The problem is, he hasn't yet and we see the results.
Posted on 10/7/12 at 12:00 pm to URHatinIt
Team Berk has gone quiet. We are boned without a healthy Franklin back there.
I'm looking towards the future, Fratty Mauk.
The Legend begins 2013.
I'm looking towards the future, Fratty Mauk.
The Legend begins 2013.
Posted on 10/7/12 at 12:16 pm to Mizzou4ever
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Our problems goes a hell of alot deeper than Berk. Our problems goes a hell of alot deeper than injuries too. Injuries does play a role of course, but this what, year 12 in this regime and we still haven't addressed the depth issue?
I don't care how many times people say coaches don't drop passes, coaches don't make dumb penalties etc...basically giving a coaching staff a free pass. A good coaching staff however has enough grit and smarts to adjust schemes/play calling to counter act what isn't working. We all knew before this season even started how piss poor this staff is in in game adjustments. It's rearing it's ugly head now more than ever. A good coaching staff puts their players in the best position to succeed. A clear example of how this staff fails this is the last 4 plays on offense. Vandy blitzed every damn down and Berk got plastered every damn down. NO frickING HELP...no extra blockers to protect him, no screens to offset the mad pass rush. How did they put Berk in a position to succeed?
The spread was ok in the Big 12, in a POS defense league, but it ain't happenin' in the SEC. I don't expect us to turn into a pro style, smash mouth offensive football team overnight, but it's apparent that should be this programs goal. I like Pinkel alot, but he is very stubborn, way too damn loyal to his coaching staff, and atrocious at in game adjustments. There is so many things wrong with this team, and some of it lands at the players feet, but it starts at the top.
This coaching staff came into this year unprepared and not having a real clue on how to adjust during this season like Pinkel said they would be doing. They figured there wasn't a whole lot of difference between the Big 12 and the SEC. They were wrong. Pinkel should not be on the hot seat because of this year, but he better show us he can adapt from being the coach who defends his coaching staff to a fault, to seeing the way things are and put together an SEC caliber staff. I personally have very little faith in this happening.
He told the fan base we needed to step up to the plate with this move, the fan base did. The problem is, he hasn't yet and we see the results.
Agreed.
Posted on 10/7/12 at 12:20 pm to reedus23
I didn't know who was a better QB. What I did think is this team is no better than mediocre under Franklin so lets give Berk a shot or start looking to the future. I was all for giving Berk a shot and still am. Franklin led 2 stalled drives. I liked the way the ball was moved but the end result was same old shite. Right now, as it is, Franklin may be a better quarterback than Berk. Berk as a redshirt freshman is better than Franklin his freshman year. That's the reason I don't mind giving him the chance to play. The season is shot so why not give him the chance to learn and mature this year.
Posted on 10/7/12 at 2:09 pm to BreakawayZou83
Honestly, I like Franklin. Really I do. I met the kid even got his autograph. Hell of a nice kid. He's a good QB. Arguably the best one we have right now at this moment. But your dream'n if you think Berk can't improve and maybe supprise you with alittle preperation and experience.
Count me a part of team Berk. I'll back him all day until he gives me a reason not to.
Count me a part of team Berk. I'll back him all day until he gives me a reason not to.
Posted on 10/7/12 at 4:26 pm to jafo
Jafo, I didn't mean my post to come across as bashing Berk. Not at all. At this time, I believe Franklin gives us our best chance for SEC wins - unless he's too banged-up to go. I think Berk could develop into a good QB with time - I"m just not sure there's enough time for this season. Our coaches would have to develop plays designed for his strengths - and I'm not sure we have an OL that could do that right now. I also have little to no faith that our coaches could do that.
I do think it's a testament to how far our coaches have brought the program that we're taking last night's loss this way. But I'm left feeling like I did after that Larry Smith loss to Michigan State - completely deflated and in awe of our coaching ineptness.
i also decided I need to stay away from Tigerboard for a few days. The crucifixion of Franklin over there makes me sick. I've seen absolutely nothing from that kid that says he has anything other than a lot of heart and love for the team. The sky-is-falling mentality there right now is more than I can take too.
I do think it's a testament to how far our coaches have brought the program that we're taking last night's loss this way. But I'm left feeling like I did after that Larry Smith loss to Michigan State - completely deflated and in awe of our coaching ineptness.
i also decided I need to stay away from Tigerboard for a few days. The crucifixion of Franklin over there makes me sick. I've seen absolutely nothing from that kid that says he has anything other than a lot of heart and love for the team. The sky-is-falling mentality there right now is more than I can take too.
Posted on 10/7/12 at 4:43 pm to jafo
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Honestly, I like Franklin. Really I do. I met the kid even got his autograph. Hell of a nice kid. He's a good QB. Arguably the best one we have right now at this moment. But your dream'n if you think Berk can't improve and maybe supprise you with alittle preperation and experience.
Count me a part of team Berk. I'll back him all day until he gives me a reason not to.
Based on last night, you were given plenty of reasons. I get he was hurried several times, but I really dont remember a good pass all night. His completions were passes that the receivers had to go out of the way to catch. And on the TD pass, we arent even sure if that was the intended receiver. I am sure he is a nice kid but I dont see a single game remaining we can win with Berk. Kentucky if everybody around him steps up but that is it.
Posted on 10/7/12 at 5:39 pm to semotruman
Semo, it is what it is. No offense. Everyones entitled to thier opinions. My opinion at the begining of the year was that this offense could ride on Franklins back through the SEC. He has proven to be less durable than previously thought. It's plain to see. Even if Franklin was back at 100%, I would still have my doubts with his durability now. He is visibly and admittedly nervous and this affects his play.
Franklin is no different than alot of good to great players that don't make it at this level or the next because of their durability. They have great skills but get knocked out of games or keep winding up on the injury list. I like Will Ebner also. He's got great skill at his position, but he doesn't help the team when he's riding the bench with injuries. I'm starting to look at Franklin the same way.
I personaly don't think Berk is as far behind the 8-ball as some may think with his play. It's a matter of experiencing live play and the speed of the game he has to get caught up on. But this is speculation also. He could turn out to be the worst QB in Mizzou history, but you will never know until he gets a chance to prepare and start several games. You should see steady improvement game after game, just as we did with Franklin last year. Franklin wasn't burning up the field with his play either at the beginning of last year, but you could see him grow every game. Same with Burk, but he has to start, not ride in the back seat. Now is his opportunity.
Sorry if I offended you or anyone. I took this whole thread as a Berk bashing. I just think it's only fair to let this kid have the same chance to prove himself like they did with Franklin when he first came up and started, before we decide to catagorise him as "Not the future".
Franklin is no different than alot of good to great players that don't make it at this level or the next because of their durability. They have great skills but get knocked out of games or keep winding up on the injury list. I like Will Ebner also. He's got great skill at his position, but he doesn't help the team when he's riding the bench with injuries. I'm starting to look at Franklin the same way.
I personaly don't think Berk is as far behind the 8-ball as some may think with his play. It's a matter of experiencing live play and the speed of the game he has to get caught up on. But this is speculation also. He could turn out to be the worst QB in Mizzou history, but you will never know until he gets a chance to prepare and start several games. You should see steady improvement game after game, just as we did with Franklin last year. Franklin wasn't burning up the field with his play either at the beginning of last year, but you could see him grow every game. Same with Burk, but he has to start, not ride in the back seat. Now is his opportunity.
Sorry if I offended you or anyone. I took this whole thread as a Berk bashing. I just think it's only fair to let this kid have the same chance to prove himself like they did with Franklin when he first came up and started, before we decide to catagorise him as "Not the future".
Posted on 10/7/12 at 6:01 pm to jafo
Jafo, agree to disagree. I think Berk could be a good QB, but I'm doubtful it'll be this year given the teams remaining on our schedule. 
Regardless, looks like he'll be the guy this weekend against Alabama. So, I'm behind him 100% for this game. I hope the coaches work in practice to develop plays that put him in a position to be successful - like extra blockers in the backfield. And I hope they can work with him on scrambling when the pocket starts to collapse, because you know it will. Get him ready with the first team offense, such as it is, and hope for the best.
Regardless, looks like he'll be the guy this weekend against Alabama. So, I'm behind him 100% for this game. I hope the coaches work in practice to develop plays that put him in a position to be successful - like extra blockers in the backfield. And I hope they can work with him on scrambling when the pocket starts to collapse, because you know it will. Get him ready with the first team offense, such as it is, and hope for the best.
Posted on 10/7/12 at 6:02 pm to jafo
I have no prob giving Berk his shot, although I think Franklin gives us our best chance to win this year.
Whatever the outcome of this season is, we would be wise to begin the process of installing a more traditional, pro style offense. Chase ran the spread to perfection, but he isn't here anymore, and the defenses in a defense dominated conference like the SEC knows how to defend it. They have the players, and coaching staffs to stuff this gimmicky system.
We need a well balanced attack that features a blocking TE who can also catch the ball, and possibly a FB. We need to protect the pocket for our QB to be effective. A good power ground game, mixed in with some play action passes would go a long way in eating up the clock and resting our defense.
I know we can run the ball pretty decent right now, but with the spread comes deficiencies, like short yardage situations. And as stacked as some of the SEC defenses are, we are at a severe disadvantage. We have good WRs' and can get them the ball better if our QB has the time to do just that.
We have to get bigger and better in the trenches. This is a must on both sides of the ball. If we can't atleast hold our own there, we are fricked.
Whatever the outcome of this season is, we would be wise to begin the process of installing a more traditional, pro style offense. Chase ran the spread to perfection, but he isn't here anymore, and the defenses in a defense dominated conference like the SEC knows how to defend it. They have the players, and coaching staffs to stuff this gimmicky system.
We need a well balanced attack that features a blocking TE who can also catch the ball, and possibly a FB. We need to protect the pocket for our QB to be effective. A good power ground game, mixed in with some play action passes would go a long way in eating up the clock and resting our defense.
I know we can run the ball pretty decent right now, but with the spread comes deficiencies, like short yardage situations. And as stacked as some of the SEC defenses are, we are at a severe disadvantage. We have good WRs' and can get them the ball better if our QB has the time to do just that.
We have to get bigger and better in the trenches. This is a must on both sides of the ball. If we can't atleast hold our own there, we are fricked.
This post was edited on 10/7/12 at 6:04 pm
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