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Posted on 1/19/15 at 11:12 am to Jagd Tiger
Posted on 1/19/15 at 11:12 am to Jagd Tiger
Pinkel routinely makes the star system look silly. That's just the facts.
We simply aren't going to recruit top 10 classes yearly. There are several reasons for this, and it isn't the coaching staff.
I think 808 said it best. You simply are not going to be happy.
We simply aren't going to recruit top 10 classes yearly. There are several reasons for this, and it isn't the coaching staff.
I think 808 said it best. You simply are not going to be happy.
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Posted on 1/19/15 at 11:16 am to JesusQuintana
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Pinkel routinely makes the star system look silly.
posting it over and over, makes it neither true or a fact, which it isn't, but if it makes you feel good pretending it is, go right ahead!
Posted on 1/19/15 at 11:17 am to semotruman
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I'm a bit paranoid about TBJ visiting CUM this weekend though. Convince me I shouldn't be worried.
I'll do my best without jinxing us.
Unless things have changed, ESL takes great pride in their program. They used to hold a chip on their shoulder against people/teams that would not travel to ESL. ESL might be a rough neighborhood, but by not being willing to go there, the belief is that those people/teams are looking down upon ESL as 2nd class citizens and if you're going to look at them as such then you're not going to benefit when we have something to offer.
I think CUM made a huge mistake by not going to ESL. I think that that mentality, even if not consciously, will still be there. It will be looked upon as if CUM was too good to go slumming in ESL and if that's the case, why should we help you when we have something you do want.
Add to that the fact that Beckner's line coach is a Mizzou alum and all american at Mizzou.
Add to that the fact that Mizzou gets the last visit.
Add to it that I don't think Beckner necessarily likes all of the attention that's coming with the recruiting process.
Add to it the fact that he apparently has a strong family unit that attends all of his games and Mizzou is the closest school.
Add to it the fact that through his coach, the comment has been made more than once that he wants to play in the SEC.
Add to it DLineU
I'm still feeling good about TBJ though a lot of work still needs to be done.
This post was edited on 1/19/15 at 11:18 am
Posted on 1/19/15 at 11:20 am to Jagd Tiger
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Hope these guys are really the "could have been 4 stars" the article makes it sound like.
If it makes you feel better, Doherty actually does have 4 stars by some services. Hilton also gained a 4th star by one of the services. If I recall correctly, Cuellar will be a 4* after the re-ranking is done.
Posted on 1/19/15 at 11:25 am to reedus23
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They used to hold a chip on their shoulder against people/teams that would not travel to ESL. ESL might be a rough neighborhood, but by not being willing to go there, the belief is that those people/teams are looking down upon ESL as 2nd class citizens and if you're going to look at them as such then you're not going to benefit when we have something to offer.
I think CUM made a huge mistake by not going to ESL.
I hope you are right, regardless we know UrbM can recruit no matter where he is willing to go. Would be nice for all the ESTL and KCK kids to be "default" Mizzou fans, which in many cases I think they are now. Like I said the other day, if TBJ does have an entourage of 30+, COMO is a much better caravan than tOSU, you should probably feel good about that.
Posted on 1/19/15 at 11:34 am to Jagd Tiger
That feeling used to be very pervasive in ESL because many of them are good kids growing up in a bad environment and they respected the hell out of people/teams that were willing to come there. GP has done it, more than once. CUM has never done it.
The more I think about the Elliott's, the less impact I think they have. The Elliott's are about the opposite of TBJ. The Elliott's went to a private high school that costs more per year than most make in a year in ESL. I think they can almost have an alienating affect.
The more I think about the Elliott's, the less impact I think they have. The Elliott's are about the opposite of TBJ. The Elliott's went to a private high school that costs more per year than most make in a year in ESL. I think they can almost have an alienating affect.
Posted on 1/19/15 at 11:34 am to Jagd Tiger
Of course it is.
Pinkel's classes are routinely in the 30's. He routinely finishes much higher than that with ACTUAL RESULTS.
What is so hard for you to understand about that?
Pinkel's classes are routinely in the 30's. He routinely finishes much higher than that with ACTUAL RESULTS.
What is so hard for you to understand about that?
Posted on 1/19/15 at 11:36 am to reedus23
TBJ will be a Missouri Tiger and it's been that way for a long time.
Posted on 1/19/15 at 11:40 am to JesusQuintana
lol, "routinely finishes much higher" that's nice,
it means pretty much nothing since your opinion about finishing means nothing as well, your opinions are not facts of anything other than being your opinions. Posted on 1/19/15 at 11:43 am to Jagd Tiger
What in the hell are you talking about? It's not an opinion. It's a fact.
You are just a clown. You hate Pinkel and will do everything you can to discredit him. You have no credibility whatsoever. The thread on the rant where opposing fans (you know ones that have no reason to say anything positive about Mizzou) were complimenting Pinkel and telling you what a fool you were should have tipped you off, but apparently nothing ever will.
You are just a clown. You hate Pinkel and will do everything you can to discredit him. You have no credibility whatsoever. The thread on the rant where opposing fans (you know ones that have no reason to say anything positive about Mizzou) were complimenting Pinkel and telling you what a fool you were should have tipped you off, but apparently nothing ever will.
Posted on 1/19/15 at 11:44 am to reedus23
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The Elliott's went to a private high school that costs more per year than most make in a year in ESL.
I doubt they paid a dime.
Posted on 1/19/15 at 11:45 am to Jagd Tiger
4* Drew Lock
4* Chase Abbington
4* Marquise Doherty
4* AJ Harris
4* Nate Strong
4* Cam Hilton
4* Richaud Floyd
4* Ronnell Perkins
4* Marcell Frazier
4* TJ Warren
That's 10 of the 19 commits (over half of the class) that at least one of the services rates as a 4*. That's pretty damn good.
4* Chase Abbington
4* Marquise Doherty
4* AJ Harris
4* Nate Strong
4* Cam Hilton
4* Richaud Floyd
4* Ronnell Perkins
4* Marcell Frazier
4* TJ Warren
That's 10 of the 19 commits (over half of the class) that at least one of the services rates as a 4*. That's pretty damn good.
Posted on 1/19/15 at 11:48 am to the808bass
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I doubt they paid a dime.
Doubt it either. But that's not really the point. The point is the perception taken of one by the other.
Posted on 1/19/15 at 12:23 pm to reedus23
We're already #29 per ESPN.
Posted on 1/19/15 at 12:29 pm to reedus23
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That's 10 of the 19 commits (over half of the class) that at least one of the services rates as a 4*. That's pretty damn good.
so apparently then, stars "do matter"? Like I said, can't have it both ways.
Posted on 1/19/15 at 12:29 pm to reedus23
So who all is coming in this weekend?
I think Jacobs is one. Any word on if we might here of a commit from him after his visit?
Is Hall coming in this weekend?
Who else?
I think Jacobs is one. Any word on if we might here of a commit from him after his visit?
Is Hall coming in this weekend?
Who else?
Posted on 1/19/15 at 12:42 pm to Jagd Tiger
Nah. See, the same programs win every year, unless it's the recent Big 12(ish), because right now OU and UT suck, despite all the 4 and 5 star talent they've signed. There is a reason for that-they have a built in advantage in recruiting because of their name and tradition.
The recruiting rankings punish teams like us for doing their job. We find the kids they miss, and pay for it in the rankings. If recruiting position translates into rankings, then what MU has done in out performing their recruiting rankings it says something about a flaw somewhere in the rankings.
No one here says our recruiting couldn't be better. It's just that the better isn't as easy to achieve as some pretend it should be. Many of the teams held up as examples of 'SEE! Team X can get a top twenty recruiting class, we should too!', haven't ended up proving play the companion statement/premise of recruiting ranking=championships. None of them have won squat.
The recruiting rankings punish teams like us for doing their job. We find the kids they miss, and pay for it in the rankings. If recruiting position translates into rankings, then what MU has done in out performing their recruiting rankings it says something about a flaw somewhere in the rankings.
No one here says our recruiting couldn't be better. It's just that the better isn't as easy to achieve as some pretend it should be. Many of the teams held up as examples of 'SEE! Team X can get a top twenty recruiting class, we should too!', haven't ended up proving play the companion statement/premise of recruiting ranking=championships. None of them have won squat.
Posted on 1/19/15 at 12:42 pm to reedus23
Derrick Baity 3* CB/WR from Tampa
Tarez Hall 3* LB from GA
Franklin Agbasimere NR
Brandon Martin 3* WR from Dallas
Terrel Jacobs 3* DE from LA
Keith Washington 3* ATH from AL
Russell Ude 3* DE from GA (Cal commit)
Nate Howard 3* DE from Ladue (WI commit)
Not really sure how accurate this list is. Ude might not be coming.
TB is saying Hall will pull the trigger, but the Nubs think he's theirs.
TB is also saying LB Quarte Sapp will be visiting in the next week or two.
Also, P-D forum is saying we will take 25-27 this year. (If all targets commit).
Tarez Hall 3* LB from GA
Franklin Agbasimere NR
Brandon Martin 3* WR from Dallas
Terrel Jacobs 3* DE from LA
Keith Washington 3* ATH from AL
Russell Ude 3* DE from GA (Cal commit)
Nate Howard 3* DE from Ladue (WI commit)
Not really sure how accurate this list is. Ude might not be coming.
TB is saying Hall will pull the trigger, but the Nubs think he's theirs.
TB is also saying LB Quarte Sapp will be visiting in the next week or two.
Also, P-D forum is saying we will take 25-27 this year. (If all targets commit).
This post was edited on 1/19/15 at 12:45 pm
Posted on 1/19/15 at 12:47 pm to Jagd Tiger
No, the point he's making to people who place complete stock in the star rankings is about whose evaluation do you trust. For those who want to complain about star rankings, it says many of these players are already highly ranked by one or the other of the recruiting services.
What matters is the staff's evaluations, which have proven to be fairly reliable over time. I just don't know how anyone can argue otherwise.
What matters is the staff's evaluations, which have proven to be fairly reliable over time. I just don't know how anyone can argue otherwise.
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