re: 2015 Football Recruiting Thread *Offer/Commit List and Videos on 1st Page*

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Sure I would rather have all four and five star guys but since the coaches think we already have Beckner in pocket and will give us a class ranked around 20(better than ever before), I think its smart to fill the squad with some hidden gems. God knows they've proven they can do it.

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I think Agbisimere and Smith both have 4* talent. One of the biggest things cutting against them is the fact that they either haven't played football for long or they haven't committed full time to football. Therefore, they didn't attend the camps where you don't so much learn anything new but you are buy your way up those star rankings.

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And what, exactly would have made you happy?

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If I hear their names mentioned again as potential recruits, I will email GP personally and them him know tRant says move on.

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sure why not, meanwhile while your at it, you could point out to Pinkel just how weak his recruiting is and always has been and how desperately he needs to hire a "recruiting" specialist that might teach him and the rest of the staff how it's done.

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A good start for Pinkel would be for him to admit that to get to the next level he needs to get better at coaching, both X's and O's and recruiting. Rather than sticking to "we do what we do" and whining that we need to "play better" after losing big games.

Don't fall too far in love with the star system.

When Larry Coker took over at Miami, he inherited an NC team and quickly got another one. But his achillies heal was relying on Rivals to tell his staff who to make offers to, instead of their own evaluations. They had consistant Top Ten recruiting classes, yet each year they won fewer games until Coker was fired.

Pinkel and staff gets kids that are a year behind in developement that Saban gets, but they do develop. He's just got to keep winning. That gets the higher "stars" (aka the kids more developed).

Bottom line is there is room for improvement no matter how good or how poor you're doing. Improvements can and need to be made to the in state recruiting. Improvements can and do need to be made in the level and depth of our recruiting. Improvements can and do need to be made to minimize the number of misses we have with recruits, which can be 2* or 5* recruits, we've had both.

But to belittle this class blows my mind. To be blinded with negativity to the extend you can't acknowledge a job well done when it is, in fact, done well, baffles even this negaTiger.

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you know I don't really follow HS recruits that closely, a #1 class would have made me happy, ok seriously a #20 class would have made me happy. That's where we both agreed not so long ago that we need to be... we aren't going to be close to that are we?

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Justin Smith and Agbamisere will get their rankings. If they land Beckner, Jacobs and a couple of other guys, they'll be in the 20's, depending on whether other teams move up.

If TBJ commits, I think we will be close to that. I'm not a recruiting junkie, though.

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He's just got to keep winning.

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yea, that's nice. What you win matters though.

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staff gets kids that are a year behind in development

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if that were the only difference it would be one thing, but the rating services have proven that classes loaded up with 4-5 stars year in and year out wind up winning conferences most of the time and NC's all of the time. If you're trying to insinuate that the 2-3 stars wind up being about like the 4-5 stars that they are recruiting, then that is the exception but not the rule.

If that were truly the case that the 2-3 star kids can mostly be as good as the 4-5 star ones, then why bother wasting any effort going for the hard to land star guys? Yet we see all of this effort plus fan excitement about landing this class with several 4 stars and the hope for a 5 star in Beckner. You can't have it both ways, either these 4-5 star kids we are trying/hoping for are worth the rating or they aren't.

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I'm a bit paranoid about TBJ visiting CUM this weekend though. Convince me I shouldn't be worried.

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a concern isn't it, what effect will the elliot recruiting company have? Getting Beckner would appear to make this the best class yet, sadly not a top 10 and maybe not a top 20 class though.

Hope these guys are really the "could have been 4 stars" the article makes it sound like.

Let's quit pretending you'd ever be happy.

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Hassan Belton has also cancelled his visit.

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no more room for Linebackers?