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re: OFFICIAL Post Your engie Goodbyes Thread

Posted on 2/13/15 at 11:58 am to
Posted by Rayburn8
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Posted on 2/13/15 at 11:58 am to
I posted something paging him, will wait and see if he saw it. If not will try again.
Posted by UMRealist
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Posted on 2/13/15 at 12:00 pm to
God you are so dumb. Engie still lost the bet. No matter how many times you want to argue what an actual point total is. I guarantee you engie will still admit to defeat even if they did count 2016 recruits.
This post was edited on 2/13/15 at 12:07 pm
Posted by skirpnasty
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Posted on 2/13/15 at 12:58 pm to
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God you are so dumb. Engie still lost the bet. No matter how many times you want to argue what an actual point total is. I guarantee you engie will still admit to defeat even if they did count 2016 recruits.


I really can't do much about you apparently being to stupid too grasp the discrepancy of how the points are tallied. I understand what he was thinking when the bet was made, but that isn't what was posted.

The simple fact of the matter is the composite class calculator does not give you a total of the recruits scores. It gives you a class score derived from their formula.

Whether or not Engie wants to fight that battle is up to him. But if we adhere word for word to the bet, and total the points of the top 20 recruits, as of this very moment he won the bet.
This post was edited on 2/13/15 at 12:59 pm
Posted by Eric Nies Grind Time
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Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 2/13/15 at 1:00 pm to
If he wants to come back he can just create an alter. Or hell...just come back. The stakes were just not being able to post on tigerdroppings. Which makes it basically worthless.
Posted by skirpnasty
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Posted on 2/13/15 at 1:10 pm to
Also, I'm pretty positive Engie was totaling the points the same way I am. He was under the impression he won as long as OM didn't get Van. That is only true if you total the points as I am proposing rather than using the "calculator".

This wouldn't be an issue if people just understood that the composite calculator doesn't sum the recruits scores.
Posted by UMRealist
Member since Feb 2013
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Posted on 2/13/15 at 1:20 pm to
Except that it sums up their calculated scores which are their points.

ask anybody who knows anything about 247 what the point total is and they will tell you the same thing we are. You know, the number that is listed under the column "points".
This post was edited on 2/13/15 at 1:25 pm
Posted by TaxmanMSU
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Posted on 2/13/15 at 2:31 pm to
This is all very stupid.



Come back Engie
Posted by skirpnasty
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Posted on 2/13/15 at 2:33 pm to
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Except that it sums up their calculated scores which are their points.


No, it doesn't.

It takes their calculated scores and puts them into a formula. It weighs the higher recruits more heavily and the lower ones less so. It's not a sum of their individual scores.

Please, give me any single fact to argue that the 247 composite is a sum of the individual players scores.

Here is what happens. They take the values from scout, 247, rivals, and espn and give each individual a "composite" score.

Let's say your composite score is .976, I score .92, and CDawg gets .91. Summing the scores would give us .976+.92+.91=2.806. That is not how the composite class calculator works. What happens in reality is your score (the highest) gets weighted more heavily, mine less so, and CDawgs barely counts at all. Something like .976*10+.92*6+.91*1 is how the class score is calculated.
This post was edited on 2/13/15 at 2:47 pm
Posted by SwayzeBalla
Member since Dec 2011
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Posted on 2/13/15 at 4:50 pm to
If engie agreed with skirpnasty, he would be posting.
Posted by skirpnasty
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Posted on 2/13/15 at 5:04 pm to
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If engie agreed with skirpnasty, he would be posting.


Nah he has too much pride. Like I said earlier, he was calculating it the same as I am. If he wasn't he wouldn't have thought he had it won unless Van signed.
Posted by UMRealist
Member since Feb 2013
35360 posts
Posted on 2/13/15 at 5:11 pm to
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What happens in reality is your score (the highest) gets weighted more heavily, mine less so, and CDawgs barely counts at all. Something like .976*10+.92*6+.91*1 is how the class score is calculated.


No shite.

Yeah that .976*10 in your example comes out to a number (points) then you sum those points up along with each players individual calculation. That's how the score (a summation of points or a point total) is calculated.

What do you think the point total on the 247 site is? A score and a point total are the same fricking thing. In one spot they call it a class score. In another spot they call it points. OMG SEMANTICS
Posted by UMRealist
Member since Feb 2013
35360 posts
Posted on 2/13/15 at 5:12 pm to
That makes too much sense for Skirp.
Posted by SwayzeBalla
Member since Dec 2011
19451 posts
Posted on 2/13/15 at 5:15 pm to
Maybe you'll get over it soon
Posted by skirpnasty
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Member since Aug 2012
10781 posts
Posted on 2/13/15 at 5:17 pm to
The difference is the "value" you are referencing doesn't exist outside their formula. Therefore, it cannot be summed. If the individual values actually existed for every recruit regardless of class size then yes, you could sum them.

Turns out, there is a value for exactly that, which is what I am summing. A .8954 recruit is valued at .8954, he isn't valued at less. The formula uses that value to compute their team score.
Posted by UMRealist
Member since Feb 2013
35360 posts
Posted on 2/13/15 at 5:22 pm to

Any set of value can be summed dumbass. Hence the total score.

as for the rest of it, you didn't understand the bet. We all get it.
Posted by skirpnasty
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Member since Aug 2012
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Posted on 2/13/15 at 6:04 pm to
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Any set of value can be summed dumbass. Hence the total score.


Holy shite, I get not being able to do math but read man. There are no values to sum. Any values can be summed, using the formula there are no damn values. The only values to be summed are individual scores, which is exactly what I'm arguing.

If you think there are values that exist and can be summed, please give me any single one of the theoretical values.
This post was edited on 2/13/15 at 6:05 pm
Posted by WhitewaterDawg
Tennessee
Member since Aug 2011
7233 posts
Posted on 2/13/15 at 6:55 pm to
You are quite the name calling little fella aren't you now?
Posted by Hardy_Har
MS
Member since Nov 2012
16285 posts
Posted on 2/13/15 at 7:42 pm to
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The only values to be summed are individual scores


This is the only value that can be sensibly summed to give a fair total.
Posted by Cdawg
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Member since Sep 2003
59452 posts
Posted on 2/14/15 at 4:14 pm to
quote:

Let's say your composite score is .976, I score .92, and CDawg gets .91. Summing the scores would give us .976+.92+.91=2.806. That is not how the composite class calculator works. What happens in reality is your score (the highest) gets weighted more heavily, mine less so, and CDawgs barely counts at all. Something like .976*10+.92*6+.91*1 is how the class score is calculated.

Hole up main. I'm not so sure I like this example.
Posted by REBEL5 AC
Member since Sep 2012
14701 posts
Posted on 2/14/15 at 5:28 pm to
Fight him IRL
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