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Did Scott Stricklin make his first mistake as AD by settlling for Rick Ray?
Posted on 11/7/12 at 2:41 pm
Posted on 11/7/12 at 2:41 pm
NO knock on Coach Ray at all, I think he is a bright young basketball mind and could turn out to be a great coach. It just seems as if he has the deck stacked against him with only 8 healthy scholarhsip players.
My question is could Scott Stricklin have really screwed up by not hiring someone with name appeal, or someone who has previously been a head coach that knows how to deal with some of the problems that we are facing right now.
Im one of the biggest MSU basketball fans that you will ever meet, but Im honestly dreading the start of this season. I hope Coach Ray coaches our team up, but with only 8 healthy scholarship players and only 3 guards on the team we are going to be in a TOUGH TOUGH situation.
My question is could Scott Stricklin have really screwed up by not hiring someone with name appeal, or someone who has previously been a head coach that knows how to deal with some of the problems that we are facing right now.
Im one of the biggest MSU basketball fans that you will ever meet, but Im honestly dreading the start of this season. I hope Coach Ray coaches our team up, but with only 8 healthy scholarship players and only 3 guards on the team we are going to be in a TOUGH TOUGH situation.
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Posted on 11/7/12 at 2:44 pm to Al Bundy Bulldog
It doesn't make sense why he would settle for Ray unless he was shown 0 interest from the other candidates. I'm guessing that's what happened.
Posted on 11/7/12 at 2:49 pm to Al Bundy Bulldog
Definitely seems like a bad hire.
Posted on 11/7/12 at 3:02 pm to Henry Jones Jr
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It doesn't make sense why he would settle for Ray unless he was shown 0 interest from the other candidates. I'm guessing that's what happened.
I find this hard to believe.
I have been told for a fact that Larry Eustachy was interested but Stricklin told him he wasn't interested in him. Also Kentucky ast and Mississippi native Kenny Payne WANTED the job and Stricklin told him no thanks.
We almost had Bryce Drew
Posted on 11/7/12 at 3:05 pm to Al Bundy Bulldog
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We almost had Bryce Drew
Would have been great for the OM-MSU basketball rivalry. I remember hearing it was a done deal for a while then for some reason it fell apart. What happened there?
Posted on 11/7/12 at 3:07 pm to Al Bundy Bulldog
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Did Scott Stricklin make his first mistake as AD by settlling for Rick Ray?
Nobody knows the fricking answer to that, Bundy. Scott's biggest mistake was not nutting up and getting rid of Stansbury when he knew he needed to. Instead, he waited till it was too late.
This post was edited on 11/7/12 at 3:08 pm
Posted on 11/7/12 at 3:09 pm to Al Bundy Bulldog
Why the rush to judgement period? Sure, Stricklin "may" have messed up. But we don't know that yet. Why speculate on this 2 days before we start getting real answers?
Mizzou seemed to be just fine with 8 scholarship players last year... or was it 7? The lack of depth can be overcome as long as we don't have any more injuries. In reality(as I've shown by minutes played last season) we still have just about as much "depth" as we had last year.
We could have gone the Worldwide Wes route with Kenny Payne, but Stricklin backed out at the last minute. Why? My guess is because he was tired of the Stansbury recruiting techniques that were going to burn our arse sooner or later.
The beauty of everything is that Ray simply has to show he was a "good choice" and can develop talent. There are alot of 2nd generation studs from the Richard Williams era coming up through the highschool ranks right now that should be State leans. Get a couple of those guys and we are right back on the map, hopefully with a coach that can actually win big games under pressure this time...
Mizzou seemed to be just fine with 8 scholarship players last year... or was it 7? The lack of depth can be overcome as long as we don't have any more injuries. In reality(as I've shown by minutes played last season) we still have just about as much "depth" as we had last year.
We could have gone the Worldwide Wes route with Kenny Payne, but Stricklin backed out at the last minute. Why? My guess is because he was tired of the Stansbury recruiting techniques that were going to burn our arse sooner or later.
The beauty of everything is that Ray simply has to show he was a "good choice" and can develop talent. There are alot of 2nd generation studs from the Richard Williams era coming up through the highschool ranks right now that should be State leans. Get a couple of those guys and we are right back on the map, hopefully with a coach that can actually win big games under pressure this time...
Posted on 11/7/12 at 3:09 pm to Al Bundy Bulldog
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or someone who has previously been a head coach that knows how to deal with some of the problems that we are facing right now
Yeah cuz that really matters. Stansbury was a coach for how long? He sure as hell didn't know how to handle this shite, since he's the reason we're in this spot. Your level of dumbassery on this subject infuriates me.
Posted on 11/7/12 at 3:10 pm to Henry Jones Jr
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It doesn't make sense why he would settle for Ray unless he was shown 0 interest from the other candidates
The only names that were interested were other guys that had a rep for being pretty dirty. Our AD elected to stay away from that. Others weren't interested. Stricklin went with Rick Ray. Obviously Bundy was part of the search and had a billion other candidates that should have gotten the job.
This post was edited on 11/7/12 at 3:11 pm
Posted on 11/7/12 at 3:11 pm to engie
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There are alot of 2nd generation studs from the Richard Williams era coming up through the highschool ranks right now that should be State leans.
Not being an a-hole here. But could you name a couple? I have not really been following basketball recruiting lately.
Posted on 11/7/12 at 3:12 pm to Al Bundy Bulldog
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I have been told for a fact that Larry Eustachy was interested but Stricklin told him he wasn't interested in him
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Also Kentucky ast and Mississippi native Kenny Payne WANTED the job and Stricklin told him no thanks.
why would we get rid of rick stansbury to hire his twin brother?
Posted on 11/7/12 at 3:12 pm to Al Bundy Bulldog
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We almost had Bryce Drew
Scott Drew had early interest in the job as well. Look at his salary at Baylor for reference on why he would be interested. Problem is, he is rumored to be a "great recruiter"(read one of the sleaziest guys in all of cbb) and is already under investigation with the NCAA for his actions at Baylor. Don't think we gave him the time of day for this reason...
One thing that Stricklin made clear is that he wanted a clean recruiter in this hire. Appears that this severely limited the pool of potential coaches...
Posted on 11/7/12 at 3:17 pm to engie
Scott has been in a lose lose situation with the basketball program from the get-go. He couldn't keep Rick and have a real program and he couldn't fire Rick and keep his boosters happy. Then he couldn't hire a good coach because of Rick. I feel bad for Scott. Anyone with a brain knew Rick needed to go but there wasn't anything he could do about it. It's gonna be a while if we are gonna have any success. This year is out of the question. NCAA tourney next year is outta the question.
Posted on 11/7/12 at 3:18 pm to Al Bundy Bulldog
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Also Kentucky ast and Mississippi native Kenny Payne WANTED the job and Stricklin told him no thanks.
I don't remember it going down that way. I could totally be wrong though.
I just want to know if Rick Ray has a good nickname yet. That's what;s really important.
Posted on 11/7/12 at 3:19 pm to Cdawg
Kenny wanted the job. Cal even lobbied for him.
Posted on 11/7/12 at 3:21 pm to Eric Nies Grind Time
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Not being an a-hole here. But could you name a couple? I have not really been following basketball recruiting lately.
Horatio Webster's son - Malik Newman @ Callaway - the #1 soph in the entire country(unanimous top 3). Horatio has reportedly told many people that he loves MSU, but his son would never play under Rick Stansbury, probably because of discipline and development issues.
There are 2 or 3 more bigtime guys with MSU ties in the 15 and 16 classes that I can't think of off the top of my head, but will look up later on...
Posted on 11/7/12 at 3:24 pm to Tds & Beer
I thought he withdrew his name. Maybe it was that other guy from Murray St.
Posted on 11/7/12 at 3:26 pm to engie
Sleazeballs win college basketball good guys lose. Just look at Bruce Pearl as compaired to Trent Johnson
Posted on 11/7/12 at 3:27 pm to Tds & Beer
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Scott has been in a lose lose situation with the basketball program from the get-go. He couldn't keep Rick and have a real program and he couldn't fire Rick and keep his boosters happy. Then he couldn't hire a good coach because of Rick. I feel bad for Scott. Anyone with a brain knew Rick needed to go but there wasn't anything he could do about it. It's gonna be a while if we are gonna have any success. This year is out of the question. NCAA tourney next year is outta the question.
Agreed with all this 100%. The best thing that could have happened would have been Greg Byrne handling this before leaving for Arizona, thus leaving the boosters with "no one to blame". Had to be an incredibly difficult decision for Scott, especially being married to Bailey Howell's daughter, when Bailey and Stans were big buds.
I will never understand why our boosters fall in love with coaches and put them before the overall good of those programs. Has happened in all 3 bigtime sports within the past decade, each time setting us back at least 3+ years. Baseball still hasn't recovered our "boosters" from the Polk situation. That is simply ridiculous.
Posted on 11/7/12 at 3:28 pm to Al Bundy Bulldog
How did Bruce Pearl turn out for Tennessee. 
Great argument, Bundy.
Great argument, Bundy.
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