Don't even try to tell me these are half the same thing. Spurriers teams were arguably more dominant than Urbans, and had a lot less foundation. Furthermore, a lot of people don't remember that while Mullen was running the offense Charlie Strong was also running the defense. Not to mention Mullen wasn't in charge of recruiting, no one's getting him the type of players he had there. Even if Mullen isn't the best of recruiters as head coach he should be making sure someone else is taking care of it, akin to what Brewster did last year.

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Chris Jones? Are you saying this b/c of CJ? South Carolina has twice the population as MS. State will never be able to get all 12 dandy dozen as ole miss will not either. ole miss was able to land out of state recruits and props to them.

Chris Jones really isn't a standard we can hold ourselves too, he was a kid we picked up early that exploded as the season went on that we nearly lost in the end. I'm not asking that we consistently land the dandy dozen, but we should be fighting for the top recruits every year. Since Mullen has got here, not including 2009, we've missed guys like Shon Coleman, Channing Ward, CJ Johnson, Brassel, Moncrief, Sanders, Connor, Liggins, Alford, Kailo, Rod Taylor, CJ Hampton, etc. I'm not asking that we land all of those kids, but we should have been a lot closer to landing a bunch of them. Ward lives what, 30 minutes away from Starkville? Liggins and Alford fit the offense we run when we had no depth at QB? Not to mention we were basically the only school offering to play Liggins at QB and had a great baseball team to offer to Alford. Kailo we all know about, Connor we got in late but had a family member on staff, Rod Taylor was highly ranked guy in a position of need that could've come in and started right off the bat considering we're losing two of our two deep at guard next year. CJ Hampton is cousins with last year's starting quarterback and in an area that's traditionally an MSU lean and in a position we can offer immediate playing time. With the exception of those kids who committed to us then flipped I had never felt like we were in the game to get any of those kids.

I mean, I guess I am neglecting to mention kids like Nick James, Kaleb Eulls, Quay Evans, PJ Jones, Michael Carr, Shumpert etc, but those cases IMO are less frequent and littered with wasted potential(Which while isn't a recruiting problem per se, is still on the fault of our staff). For all the talk our staff gets about developing players I don't see how many of our player have lived up to their potential.

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Wilson and Smith and earlier Torbush were all forced out for the most part, everyone else was replaced only because they voluntarily left.

Smith left on his own terms, and all we did to Wilson was demote him from DC. If he would have stayed at MSU as a D-Line coach we would have kept him, but he came here to be a coordinator and would have rather made a lateral coaching move to a better coaching job.