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re: 2014 Mississippi State Recruiting thread.

Posted on 7/1/13 at 8:11 am to
Posted by sorantable
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Posted on 7/1/13 at 8:11 am to
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I see nothing from this class to indicate that Mullen has learned anything about recruiting since he's gotten the job. If anything, this class so far has shown he's regressed as a recruiter.

As a Rebel bear lurking in the shadows, I must agree
Posted by Eric Nies Grind Time
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Posted on 7/1/13 at 8:34 am to
You start threads on this board...how are you lurking in the shadows?
Posted by sorantable
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Posted on 7/1/13 at 9:01 am to
Posted by engie
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Posted on 7/1/13 at 5:17 pm to
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Because the kid couldn't beat out a guy who went to play at Air Force

As a guy that had NEVER played QB in his career? Sure. We offered a kid ON THE SPOT at a camp -- and I'm supposed to question that? Based on what? Know the last guy that I recall us doing that with? Think about it...

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And you don't see that as a problem?

Why should I?

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Are you foreign to the concept of depth? Let's say our "#1" Staley Redshirts, plays Back-up to Dak, and then goes pro in the NBA. Now we need to play this guy. Just because we got our #1(which I'm not even convinced Staley was, or should have been) doesn't mean we can pick up anybody as our #2.

Staley believes football is his #1 sport. He won't even play basketball until after football is COMPLETELY over with. So, you think this translates to "1 and done" in the NBA? Seeing how we took both of these commitments early, they were obviously both at the very top of our board -- especially Staley.

Did you completely forget about Williams? The guy that is very similar to Prescott coming out(I won't even bother with the Relf comparison). Simple fact is the only real discernible difference between those two coming out was the late LSU offer that Prescott got...

Prescott
Williams
Staley
Fitzgerald

All true dual threats that fit our offense well. Sorry -- I don't perceive that the sky is falling. I find it funny how the expectations goalposts here are suddenly moving all over the place -- ultimately all because of how we finished last year.

Everyone was fine with Relf backed by Russell and basically nothing else in 2010. But now that we've got Russell backed by Prescott backed by Williams, the sky is falling? Because we've missed on a few guys in the past?

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No ones saying they won't have good senior seasons, or couldn't turn out well later. However, that doesn't mean their aren't bigger fish we should be going after, especially considering how small of a class we'll have this year.


Where did I say we aren't/shouldn't be going after bigger fish?

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I see nothing from this class to indicate that Mullen has learned anything about recruiting since he's gotten the job. If anything, this class so far has shown he's regressed as a recruiter.

We will see...
This post was edited on 7/1/13 at 5:19 pm
Posted by Requiem For A Dawg
Guff of Mex
Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 7/1/13 at 5:25 pm to
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Did you completely forget about Williams?


Our 10th choice at QB last year? The one we offered after about 8 QBs turned us down? No, I haven't forgotten about him.
Posted by Requiem For A Dawg
Guff of Mex
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Posted on 7/1/13 at 5:26 pm to
I will never believe Fitzgerald was the #2 QB on our board. I honestly think Mullen just said frick it, because he's been burned so much in the past.
Posted by LBC
Member since Jul 2012
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Posted on 7/2/13 at 9:55 am to
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As a guy that had NEVER played QB in his career? Sure. We offered a kid ON THE SPOT at a camp -- and I'm supposed to question that? Based on what? Know the last guy that I recall us doing that with? Think about it...

You can't expect every kid to be Chris Jones.

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Why should I?

Because our "#1" is another two-sport athlete with dividing interests.

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Staley believes football is his #1 sport. He won't even play basketball until after football is COMPLETELY over with. So, you think this translates to "1 and done" in the NBA? Seeing how we took both of these commitments early, they were obviously both at the very top of our board -- especially Staley.

#1:I don't give a crap what Staley believes is his better sport. I've watched tape on him playing both sports and it's my opinion he's more talented in Basketball. As is the opinion of Rivals and 247.
#2:I didn't say he'd be a 1 and done, I merely said that he's got a chance to go the NBA after a couple years (or more) and we have a potential to get screwed. What if he leaves after Dak does and leaves us with Williams + Fitz? What if he starts a year as a RsSo and then leaves after being the established starter? How would that impact the team not only from a depth perspective, but from a mental one?

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Did you completely forget about Williams? The guy that is very similar to Prescott coming out(I won't even bother with the Relf comparison). Simple fact is the only real discernible difference between those two coming out was the late LSU offer that Prescott got...


Oh my gosh, he looks like a guy who hasn't even been a starter yet! Look, I love Dak to death. In fact, I know him personally and he is a hell of a worker, but as much as our fanbase loves him he's done a few runs and completed a few open passes. Once he takes the reigns things are going to be different, and Dak's biggest advantage is not his arm or legs(though both are good) but his heart. The moment Dak walked on campus he was one of top 5 workers on the team, and that is what makes me trust him. I don't expect that from Williams, and nor should you, because what Dak has is not a 'good work ethic', it's a once in a decade type work ethic.

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Prescott
Williams
Staley
Fitzgerald

All true dual threats that fit our offense well. Sorry -- I don't perceive that the sky is falling. I find it funny how the expectations goalposts here are suddenly moving all over the place -- ultimately all because of how we finished last year.


I'll be honest, at this point I don't 'expect' much anymore, I just know what we 'need' to do. Thusfar our offense has been better than Croom could ever manage, but still has not been great. You can say it's because of line, receivers, misuse of runningbacks, playing out of position, ro whatever but you can't deny it hasn't been as effective as it should have been. Four of our permanent opponents have upgraded their coaching staff, and are all recruiting very well. Then add we gained a permanent opponent in Texas A&M, who looks to just be chugging forward. They may or may not continue their success but we shouldn't rely on their strength decreasing when we can increase our own. How we finished last year has very, very little to do with my opinions of why we need to recruit better.

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Everyone was fine with Relf backed by Russell and basically nothing else in 2010. But now that we've got Russell backed by Prescott backed by Williams, the sky is falling? Because we've missed on a few guys in the past?


I sure as hell wasn't happy, but you still can't really compare Relf(who hadn't gotten hurt yet if I remember correctly) + Russell(Who had gotten hurt, but didn't appear near as injury prone) to Russell(Who has now gotten hurt what, three times?) + Dak(Who sat out all of spring practice due to a toe surgery) + Williams(Who is unproven and will likely redshirt anyways). Not to mention that 2010 was Dan's second year, and the quarterback situation was one he inherited. The quarterback situation we're in now wasn't one we inherited from a previous staff, but one that should have been fixed in the last four years.

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Where did I say we aren't/shouldn't be going after bigger fish?

You didn't, and I never said you did. What you said was, and I quote "I'll reserve overall judgement on this class at least until we get into the senior seasons". That's all well and good and a 'project' commit isn't bad per se, but they don't all pan out, and other than Jamoral Graham and maaybe Staley that's really we have. We shouldn't have 10-12 'project'/'unproven' type commits, especially we we have a class that's looking to be around 20 kids. We should go after the biggest names we can, take a few projects we like and then fill up positions we need later. Not immerse ourselves in might-pan-out three stars and hope they all have good senior seasons.
Posted by Eric Nies Grind Time
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 7/2/13 at 10:10 am to
Maybe Muffin just said screw it to trying to find a decent passer, and is just going with a good athlete at QB. RUNNIN 80% OF THE TIME
Posted by engie
Member since Jan 2012
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Posted on 7/2/13 at 11:45 am to
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Maybe Muffin just said screw it to trying to find a decent passer, and is just going with a good athlete at QB. RUNNIN 80% OF THE TIME


Which has been more successful for us under this regime anyway...
Posted by Eric Nies Grind Time
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Posted on 7/2/13 at 11:48 am to
Muffin needs to finish strong. This class is pretty sad so far.
Posted by DynastyDawg
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Posted on 7/2/13 at 12:17 pm to
I'm not sure where all the doom and gloom got started with this class. The initial ratings of players every year is always low, due to the fact that all you have to go on is their junior years in most cases. According to 24/7 several of our guys are in line for a big bump in their ratings and with a good senior season we could be staring 5 solid 4* prospects in the face that are already committed.

1. Jamoral Graham (Should end up 93-94 range)
2. Lashard Durr (Paul has stated many times with his size and athletic ability, after his senior season rating he could be in the 92-94 range)
3. Jordan Harris
(Both of these OL are already high 3* and have a mean streak about them)
4. Tyler Jones
5. Elijah Staley (Already a 4* on ESPN and stands to gain ground with 24/7 which is the one I personally trust the most)

To add to that, You're also looking at

1. Avery Gennesy (4* 94 rating)
2. Aeris Williams (4* 93 rating)
3. Gerri Green (3* 89 rating, another that will see a sizable jump)
4. Grant Harris (3* 89 rating, another on the cusp of the oh so sought after 4*)
5. Jessie Jackson (3* 88 rating, will be a 4* no doubt)

Also about the quarterbacks, has anyone looked at the 2015 class? The kid from Brandon is a huge State lean and pretty talented from what I have read. (No first hand info here, could be wrong) Theres another kid from Tishamingo County that looks to be pretty good that we have a good shot at. This is without looking at the few kids from Texas we have high interest from, and the other that plays on Team USA with the 2016 commits (the QB is in the 2015 class).

So I just don't understand the uproar. We're not going to steal the Marlon Humphrey's of the world from Alabama without beating them and having several solid 10 win years.

With that said, should we be content with our current recruiting? NO.
Posted by Eric Nies Grind Time
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 7/2/13 at 12:35 pm to
FSU may steal Aeris away.
Posted by Tds & Beer
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Posted on 7/2/13 at 12:38 pm to
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Prescott
Williams
Staley
Fitzgerald


two good qb's and two shots in the dark.
Posted by Al Bundy Bulldog
The Grindfather
Member since Dec 2010
36324 posts
Posted on 7/2/13 at 12:39 pm to
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To add to that, You're also looking at 1. Avery Gennesy (4* 94 rating) 2. Aeris Williams (4* 93 rating) 3. Gerri Green (3* 89 rating, another that will see a sizable jump) 4. Grant Harris (3* 89 rating, another on the cusp of the oh so sought after 4*) 5. Jessie Jackson (3* 88 rating, will be a 4* no doubt)


Don't forget Big Cory who will also probably end up a 4 star
Posted by NIH
Member since Aug 2008
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Posted on 7/2/13 at 12:45 pm to
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Cam Newton tore his heart out.

He thought he would never love again.

Then he met Cord Sandberg....who left him for another sport.


Muffin is like on his 18th option for a prom date
Posted by Eric Nies Grind Time
Member since Sep 2012
25504 posts
Posted on 7/2/13 at 12:51 pm to
Maybe things are going really well...then he gets drunk and sends dick pics.
Posted by Requiem For A Dawg
Guff of Mex
Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 7/2/13 at 12:55 pm to
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Don't forget Big Cory who will also probably end up a 4 star


I'll give Dan props if we pull him, especially with Saban making a push.
Posted by NIH
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Posted on 7/2/13 at 12:56 pm to
Posted by Al Bundy Bulldog
The Grindfather
Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 7/2/13 at 1:18 pm to
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I'll give Dan props if we pull him, especially with Saban making a push.


Why'd you replace Big Cory with Dolan?

Requiem PLS
Posted by Requiem For A Dawg
Guff of Mex
Member since Dec 2010
11985 posts
Posted on 7/2/13 at 1:22 pm to
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Requiem PLS


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