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Posted on 11/2/19 at 10:15 pm to
Posted by finchmeister08
Member since Mar 2011
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Posted on 11/2/19 at 10:15 pm to
I’ll admit, this loss is not trask’s fault. Far from it.
Posted by StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Member since Sep 2013
21146 posts
Posted on 11/2/19 at 10:30 pm to
Imagine doing all of those things with no run support.

Hopefully with a year and a recharge in the off-season we can gain some kind of traditional running scheme and actually let Trask throw into coverage that isn't designed to stop the pass.

Imagine that 90% of your passes are throwing toward defenses that know you are throwing it.
Posted by AlbinoGator
Member since Oct 2016
2247 posts
Posted on 11/2/19 at 11:29 pm to
If we are going to run a true air raid offense as you say we should then 100% for sure Mullen isn't the guy that needs to be here and him running trask up the middle definitely is not going to work unfortunately trask runs better backwards than forwards I'll never understand that one but the truth is the truth and next year our defense is not going to be very good we will be losing alot of guys on that side of the ball.

Although Florida have a much favorable schedule next year I think with what the gators have returning I dont see more then 9 wins next year
Posted by StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Member since Sep 2013
21146 posts
Posted on 11/2/19 at 11:51 pm to
Trask only has one year of eligibility. Swallow the pride, get rid of the system you have and run it for one more year. We have an easy schedule and our entire offensive line will be coming back + some younger additions who will likely be an upgrade.

I'd rather go with an offense that 100% can work (even when it's one dimensional) than try to overhaul the entire offense again in less than a year. (We will have this offense going into January.)

It's not that I don't want a mobile QB, I do, but we don't have the depth at QB until 2021 anyway.

Next year if Emory goes down which is a strong possibility, we're right back to Trask and switching the offense back and forth, back and forth.

Wait until 21, Emory goes down and we have two more system QBs waiting.
Posted by AlbinoGator
Member since Oct 2016
2247 posts
Posted on 11/3/19 at 12:17 am to
Wait till next year wait till 2021 next it will be wait till 2030 come on the longer we wait till next year the farther we fall behind Mullen need to hire some elite recruiters until we start getting top 5 classes the more behind we will fall.

Whether I like it or not Smart and cokey out coached Mullen and Grantham today it's a hard pill to swallow but they clearly outcoached Florida today in every way possible that a team can be out coached to start and end your season in Orlando against Michigan or Wisconsin isn't going to cut it so many players will not play in that game and honestly i would not blame them one bit.
Posted by StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Member since Sep 2013
21146 posts
Posted on 11/3/19 at 12:33 am to
The problem is this timeline, look what McElwain left behind:

2018:

Feleipe Franks
Kyle Trask
(No one.)

To fix that problem which is the most important part of the field you need more than two years.

The S&C and mindset was another fix that he immediately achieved. No one gave us a chance at the beginning of the year to even keep it close to Georgia.

Just look at how quiet Georgia fans were this entire buildup, and this wasn't a: "Oh we're quiet because we respect x, y and z", this was a: "Man, Florida might actually be able to beat us."

In the end, it's the context of everything.

Next year we will have two Quarterbacks who can run Mullen's system:

RS SO
TR FR

If Emory goes down or has to sit out a game, we literally revert to what we have right now.

However...

If Trask were to go down next year, Emory and Richardson already fit the system so it'd be easier to transition to them in the future.

But going:

Power Spread (Entire of 2018)
Air Raid (Almost the entire 2019)
Power Spread (2020)

Without the pieces to run it in 2020 is just a fool's errand. We have a 10 year problem that's being fixed, and Mullen has already shown us that at least we can play it close and not get blown out a la Tennessee, Kentucky, Vanderbilt (where we were essentially with McElwain and Muschamp).

I don't envy him, though, because the best Quarterback on the team doesn't even fit his system and unfortunately for all of us is a pretty nice guy.
Posted by tjv305
Member since May 2015
12739 posts
Posted on 11/3/19 at 6:36 am to
Next year will be Mullen’s 3rd year here and he would have 3 of his own recruiting classes . What he was left by Mac has nothing to do with next year . If Mullen can’t find someone better the Trask by the start of next year then he may not be the coach we need. Mullen has done a great job with Trask but he needs a more talented QB if we going to have a chance on becoming elite.
Posted by real_gator8
Redington Shores
Member since Mar 2019
961 posts
Posted on 11/3/19 at 10:31 am to
Our offense yesterday was plain and simple: throw 5-8 yd passes...usually to sure handed Pitts. The problem reveals itself right there....dunk and dink requires a LOT of snaps to go down the field (witness our TD scoring drive to pull within 7 points...it took 17 snaps) The more snaps the more chances for mistakes, motion flags, illegal downfields, holding, sacks etc etc.

Honestly Mullen got the offense together and required them to execute. He got things all screwed up with any hurry up offense before. Getting playcalls in or getting the right play calls in was an ordeal that costs us early on. We kept shooting ourselves in the foot and that's why Mullen was so pissed at an assistant...because the team was getting wrong plays sent to them. Its basic ABCs or should be.

The game is over and we have to deal with it. None of us have a crystal ball to see 2020. The OL should be improved some (or Hevesy has to answer a lot of questions). WR will be ok...defensively we lose a lot of good talent though.

Say what you want about Carson Beck...but watching on ESPNU one night I could see him in Mullens system. He can run, is tall and threw accurate passes. Plays in the tough Jax area against good teams.

We have recruited a lot of OL this past two years and will get a few more this year....there has to be a few gems in that bunch. I didn't really notice Gouriage yesterday playing....but he is the kind of young OL who will be an asset for us. Need to find replacements for everyone on our OL....some frosh aren't ready yet.
Posted by boXerrumble
Member since Sep 2011
54005 posts
Posted on 11/3/19 at 10:40 am to
quote:

Say what you want about Carson Beck...but watching on ESPNU one night I could see him in Mullens system. He can run, is tall and threw accurate passes. Plays in the tough Jax area against good teams.


AR15 is a much better fit for Mullen's system than Beck.
Posted by Porter Osborne Jr
Member since Sep 2012
42131 posts
Posted on 11/3/19 at 10:55 am to
So is Del Rio. He'll need to put on a few pounds but he'll be better than Emory in a short time.
Posted by tjv305
Member since May 2015
12739 posts
Posted on 11/3/19 at 11:22 am to
The offense has been this way all year with Trask . We have been able to put talent every but LSU and Georgia. Trask is a good backup but he is not a starter unless your ok with losing 2-4 games .
Posted by StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Member since Sep 2013
21146 posts
Posted on 11/3/19 at 12:05 pm to
Trask is not the reason we lost LSU or Georgia.
Posted by AlbinoGator
Member since Oct 2016
2247 posts
Posted on 11/3/19 at 12:58 pm to
I wouldn't say the sole reason for losing is on trask but I will say that all trask can do is stand back there and throw the football he can not run hurry up,he can not scramble to keep plays,he definitely can not get a couple of yards on the ground if needed,and is not very smart with the football in certain situations on the 20 yard sack on 1st down could have thrown the ball away instead ran backwards, all of the fumbles he has had with 0 awareness about what is going on around him in the pocket.

Unfortunately play like this is only going to get you so far and yesterday we saw how far and UGA exposed that yesterday and watch Vandy and Mozzou give us fits
Posted by boXerrumble
Member since Sep 2011
54005 posts
Posted on 11/3/19 at 1:17 pm to
We aren’t losing to Vandy or Mizzou.

Anything less than 10-2 at this point is unacceptable.
Posted by StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Member since Sep 2013
21146 posts
Posted on 11/3/19 at 1:29 pm to
Not having a two-minute offense is squarely on the shoulders of Mullen, not Trask.

quote:

but I will say that all trask can do is stand back there and throw the football


You mean the only functioning part of our offense?

To think this was the same fan base that broke its back to defend Franks game after game after game when he couldn't even do that.
Posted by AlbinoGator
Member since Oct 2016
2247 posts
Posted on 11/3/19 at 1:51 pm to
Box I did not say we are going to lose those games but I think we struggle mightily in 2 maybe 3 of the of the remaining 4 games and have not played well in Missouri ever so not sure how this team will react especially if it is cold and raining.

I know this not sure what bowl game we will get the invite to at 10-2 but for sure no one wants to go to orlando if only 1 sec team makes the playoffs no way is 3 other sec teams making the new years 6 bowls unless the orange bowl just fights the NCAA to take Florida
Posted by boXerrumble
Member since Sep 2011
54005 posts
Posted on 11/3/19 at 2:02 pm to
If UF is in the top 10 to finish the year, we are going to a NY6 Bowl dude. Period.
Posted by AlbinoGator
Member since Oct 2016
2247 posts
Posted on 11/3/19 at 4:05 pm to
For sure this speech Mullen is giving about the season not being over and there is a lot to play for.
for the second year in a row not sure how much the players are buying in this year yes last year going 9-3 ending a season with a win in the peach bowl was great but giving the same speech this year at around the same time as last year may not resonate as well and probably the same speech next year on Halloween we will see.

All we can do is see if this team can win out and see where 10-2 takes us if they can win out
Posted by real_gator8
Redington Shores
Member since Mar 2019
961 posts
Posted on 11/3/19 at 5:22 pm to
First a correction...we only have 3 games left...Vandy Mizzou and the girls school. UGA has 4 games left, Mizzou, @ AU, Tex A&M then Ga Tech.

We are 11th in coaches poll and if we win out...we will be no worse than 7th with a bowl game to play. There is a lot to play for. UGA could fall to Mizzou and AU....then we could go to Hotlanta. Don't dismiss it. Mullen has to get the team ready to play Vandy and not let their heads hang down.
Posted by StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Member since Sep 2013
21146 posts
Posted on 11/3/19 at 5:28 pm to
They could fall to Texas A&M as well. I'm not sure why everyone is just writing them off like they're not a tough team.

We could easily get to Atlanta if Georgia stumbles a few more times going forward.
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