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Posted on 11/4/17 at 10:54 pm to dbuchanon
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Please by all means. Wow us with your choices who will come to UF right now.
Saban supposedly turned down what, 100 mill from Texas?? Guys who are proven and settled are not leaving where they are to start over. Period
He wants Kiffin, which I guess I understand -- but has he actually been very successful at any College? Oh yeah, he's been run out of every job he's been at outside of Tennessee.
Really, Proven HC's are only looking for other jobs because they haven't been doing so hot.
Posted on 11/4/17 at 10:58 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
I thought we had determined that we aren't getting a bigboy from another school.
We are talking available coaches? List is much shorter then.
Look at who he's been coached by. Damn boy!!! Those are big names.
Frost was coached by Stanford’s Bill Walsh, Nebraska’s Tom Osborne, the New York Jets’ Bill Parcells and Bill Belichick, and Jon Gruden. He broke into the coaching ranks as a graduate assistant at his alma mater in 2002 before filling the same role at Kansas State in 2006.
We are talking available coaches? List is much shorter then.
Look at who he's been coached by. Damn boy!!! Those are big names.
Frost was coached by Stanford’s Bill Walsh, Nebraska’s Tom Osborne, the New York Jets’ Bill Parcells and Bill Belichick, and Jon Gruden. He broke into the coaching ranks as a graduate assistant at his alma mater in 2002 before filling the same role at Kansas State in 2006.
Posted on 11/4/17 at 10:59 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Id take Kiffin, but hes not proven as a HC.
That said
Id take him for his offensive prowess and his recruiting ability. Hes in my top 5.
That said
Id take him for his offensive prowess and his recruiting ability. Hes in my top 5.
Posted on 11/4/17 at 11:05 pm to dbuchanon
I've already listed my top choices. I think there's several experienced coaches out there that UF can get that actually know what they are doing. I've never, ever settled on a girlfriend. I always went after the best. I do not believe UF has to settle ever. We should have pride in ourselves and get out of the gutter. I do not believe we are some poor schleps waiting by the phone. I damn sure don't think we should gamble on this next hire. All these 1, 2, 3 year coaches are huge gambles. If you aim high, you'll never shoot your foot. Our 2 best coaches should be a blueprint. SOS and UM both had EXPERIENCE. Haven't we learned by now?
I'll support any coach UF hires BUT if it's another inexperienced, unproven one, I'll remain nonchalant, apathetic, like I have the last decade. I'll hope we succeed, but, I'll know we've settled again and most likely (odds are) it will fail eventually. Why should I care for the program more than the administration? If they are willing to take another chance on some hotshot, I damn sure won't be taking chances with my money.
I'll support any coach UF hires BUT if it's another inexperienced, unproven one, I'll remain nonchalant, apathetic, like I have the last decade. I'll hope we succeed, but, I'll know we've settled again and most likely (odds are) it will fail eventually. Why should I care for the program more than the administration? If they are willing to take another chance on some hotshot, I damn sure won't be taking chances with my money.
Posted on 11/4/17 at 11:06 pm to Bbobalou
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I thought we had determined that we aren't getting a bigboy from another school.
Apparently 4Lyfe hasn't gotten the memo.
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Look at who he's been coached by. Damn boy!!! Those are big names.
Frost was coached by Stanford’s Bill Walsh, Nebraska’s Tom Osborne, the New York Jets’ Bill Parcells and Bill Belichick, and Jon Gruden. He broke into the coaching ranks as a graduate assistant at his alma mater in 2002 before filling the same role at Kansas State in 2006.
He's got the pedigree, easily. He's a fan favorite for a reason. I think he's our next HC, but it's gonna be hard for him to walk away from an undefeated team.
Posted on 11/4/17 at 11:06 pm to Bbobalou
We need a recruiter who is known for his offense.
My big 3 in that regard are
Frost
Kiffin
Taggart
I also like
Gundy
Mullen
Norvell
Offensive guys who can develop QBs. Unsure if they could recruit at a high level though. This is why i have the other names higher.
My big 3 in that regard are
Frost
Kiffin
Taggart
I also like
Gundy
Mullen
Norvell
Offensive guys who can develop QBs. Unsure if they could recruit at a high level though. This is why i have the other names higher.
Posted on 11/4/17 at 11:09 pm to GatorNation4Lyfe
As usual Im 100% behind whoever we hire.
Posted on 11/4/17 at 11:12 pm to Bbobalou
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Frost was coached by Stanford’s Bill Walsh, Nebraska’s Tom Osborne, the New York Jets’ Bill Parcells and Bill Belichick, and Jon Gruden. He broke into the coaching ranks as a graduate assistant at his alma mater in 2002 before filling the same role at Kansas State in 2006.
What does this have to do with a successful coach? That sure didn't help Charlie Weiss (who I think is still on UF's payroll). It also didn't help Muschamp.
Now, I think Muschamp may do better at USC BECAUSE he had to learn on the job at UF. It's okay to take a coach that may not have had a lot of success at a couple of schools. Has he learned from his mistakes? Is he smart? Can he lead men? Can he motivate, out scheme, out work? We keep looking for young guys that have had little success. Why not find more mature guys that have had some failure? You learn more from your failures than you do from your successes. That's why win/losses is overrated. We've seen this with our last 2 coaches. Pile up a bunch of wins but still look like shite in the process.
Posted on 11/4/17 at 11:15 pm to dbuchanon
Even if it was bitch Jones?
Posted on 11/4/17 at 11:15 pm to Bbobalou
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I thought we had determined that we aren't getting a bigboy from another school.
Huh? What does that mean? Did we get turned down by coaches? Do you know something that no one else knows? Are you on the search firm?
Posted on 11/4/17 at 11:17 pm to GatorNation4Lyfe
What coach are you bringing in? Stop criticizing with no real substance on what you'd do different.
Who would you take before Frost? Make a list. A reasonable list, of people who might actually come here before him.
Who would you take before Frost? Make a list. A reasonable list, of people who might actually come here before him.
Posted on 11/4/17 at 11:19 pm to GatorNation4Lyfe
Here’s an idea, let’s go after Saban. And if that doesn’t work out, let’s try dabo.
Every coach we’ve hired that was successful never came from a big time school.
Spurrier - Duke
Meyer - Utah(wasn’t as big at the time of his hire)
Every coach we’ve hired that was successful never came from a big time school.
Spurrier - Duke
Meyer - Utah(wasn’t as big at the time of his hire)
This post was edited on 11/4/17 at 11:19 pm
Posted on 11/4/17 at 11:19 pm to finchmeister08
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Even if it was bitch Jones?
Id switch to hard liquor but yes.
Posted on 11/4/17 at 11:21 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
I already asked for his list, He wont give it
Posted on 11/4/17 at 11:22 pm to dbuchanon
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As usual Im 100% behind whoever we hire.
I'll be behind whoever we hire as well BUT I will not spend my money if it's another inexperienced HC until the product on the field is worth it. I use to donate to UAA and use to attend most home games. The last few years it's been shite show after shite show. It has not been fun traveling, spending money for my family to attend, staying in overpriced hotels, etc., to watch UF not even compete on the field. I stopped last year and this year and haven't missed a beat. I have better things to do with my money. I still watch and hope we turn it around but I refuse to patronize poor decisions.
My family use to look forward to Gator football. That's over. We spend our money on UF basketball now.
Posted on 11/4/17 at 11:51 pm to finchmeister08
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Every coach we’ve hired that was successful never came from a big time school. Spurrier - Duke Meyer - Utah(wasn’t as big at the time of his hire)
I said that the coach should have experience competing against Big Boy football/Big time schools.
Spurrier was the youngest coach in the pros/USFL. He had a lot of success with the Bandits, where his offense was one of the best in the league. He coached 3 years in that league with pro athletes. He then went to Duke and turned them around. Duke won their first and only conference title. Freaking Duke. His fast break offense revolutionized that school. His very first year he was competing with top schools. They beat several top 25 schools in his tenure, Clemson, UNC, Ga Tech, Wake, NC State. He spent 3 years there. SOS had 6 years coaching before he got to UF. He took 2 teams to success. Duke Played big boy football and he won there. That's proven and that's experience.
Urban Meyer took a bad Bowling Green program and turned them around immediately. He beat Mizzou and Northwestern in his first year and beat Mizzou again and Kansas in his 2nd year. This is what I'm talking about beating P5 teams. He went to Utah and in his first year, turned them around too. Went 10-2, beating Cal, Oregon and BYU that year. The next year he went undefeated while actually playing a big boy football. They beat Texas A&M, BYU, Arizona, North Carolina, and Pittsburgh. They went to a BCS bowl and undefeated season.
For me, a coach should have turned around a couple schools at a minimum or at least 4 or 5 years sustained experience with 1 school. 1, 2, 3 year coaches with 1 schools is a crap shoot IMO. Look at Mac and Champ in their first 2 years? It's pretty easy to look at both their records and think they are quality coaches, when the very next year is when shite started falling apart. Mac and Champ BOTH have a better record than Frost 21 games in. Why do you want to take a chance again?
Posted on 11/4/17 at 11:56 pm to GatorNation4Lyfe
Look at McElwain at CSU. What quality win did he have on his resume? What top 25 team did he beat? I'll help you. NO ONE. Not one quality win and not one team in the top 25. If Frost was beating several top 25 teams, I still would question if it was sustainable over at least 4 or 5 seasons. But he hasn't even beaten a quality opponent yet.
Posted on 11/5/17 at 12:15 am to GatorNation4Lyfe
Well, I'm not here to argue. There are coaches who are successful and never played the sport. Some take time to learn.
Frost was a successful player, and studied under some well respected coaches. He played the sport at the highest lvl on both sides of the ball. Kelly even mentored him. So if you want to use an proven coach then put Kelly on the list.
Not sure Kelly would come or if UF would want the baggage but a damned good coach, if he wasn't cheating. I'd consider him but I'd probably cheat if given the chance so take my opinion for what it is.
Frost was a successful player, and studied under some well respected coaches. He played the sport at the highest lvl on both sides of the ball. Kelly even mentored him. So if you want to use an proven coach then put Kelly on the list.
Not sure Kelly would come or if UF would want the baggage but a damned good coach, if he wasn't cheating. I'd consider him but I'd probably cheat if given the chance so take my opinion for what it is.
Posted on 11/5/17 at 12:37 am to Bbobalou
On another note: There's a thing of beauty going on in the USC vs. Arizona game. This game is taking forever because of penalties and reviews.
7 penalties in the third quarter.
7 penalties in the third quarter.
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