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Posted on 10/22/19 at 3:50 pm to UFMatt
Posted on 10/22/19 at 3:50 pm to UFMatt
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Did y'all read my post wrong? Let me simplify. Trask is playing too good to not start next year! It would be stupid to start Jones for the future as gbait2008 posted. Jones may or may not be the future but Trask is the present.
That's what I was saying. Unless Trask starts to really play badly there is zero reason he shouldn't start next season. Especially if Mullen fixes the run game.
If he's doing this now, just imagine what he can do against defenses in the future when they have to play the run.
INB4: "bUt wE'rE lOsInG oUr ReCeIvErS" -- Pitts is coming back, we'll be fine.
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Jones is portal bound if hes not the guy next season.
Trask waited seven years to start, Jones can wait one more. He'd be stupid to transfer. He's an injury away from playing at Florida and will likely be rotated in a lot more next year than he will this year.
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Posted on 10/22/19 at 4:43 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
All I know is...I want Trask or Jones. I couldn't handle having Franks back as the starters. I'd cry. A lot.
Posted on 10/22/19 at 5:10 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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Trask waited seven years to start, Jones can wait one more.
Trask came in knowing his situation and the perception of him by other P5 teams, no one was beating his door down. Emory is a 4 Star guy who’s expecting to play. Highly doubt he sits 3 years.
Posted on 10/22/19 at 5:25 pm to dbuchanon
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Trask came in knowing his situation and the perception of him by other P5 teams, no one was beating his door down. Emory is a 4 Star guy who’s expecting to play. Highly doubt he sits 3 years.
If Trask keeps playing the way he's playing he may not have a choice. It would be incredibly stupid to have Trask transfer as a 5th year senior so we can run a project team with new receivers and a new Quarterback in 2020 during our easiest season in...a long time.
We replace Miami with an FCS/G5.
We replace Auburn with Ole Miss.
Our toughest games are at home (LSU, Missouri, SCAR, UGA**) and our easiest games are away (FSU, Ole Miss, Tennessee).
Veteran line with a veteran experienced QB is better than rolling out yet another offensive philosophy. Our line is already above average in pass protection, our QB is already above average in passing (he's currently rating out better than Fromm despite having no run game and facing tougher competition).
This OL is not a power-spread OL, no matter how bad we and Mullen want it to be.
Posted on 10/22/19 at 5:30 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
This aint about Trask, the OL or the schedule. Im saying this kid had offers from teams like Ohio State, he wants to play and has options. Again, highly doubt this kid is gonna take a 3rd yr on the bench.
Posted on 10/22/19 at 6:47 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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so we can run a project team with new receivers and a new Quarterback in 2020 during our easiest season in...a long time.
Actually, wouldn't this be the perfect time? Get all of your young guys game experience vs the easiest schedule we've had in years? js
Posted on 10/22/19 at 7:38 pm to dbuchanon
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This aint about Trask, the OL or the schedule. Im saying this kid had offers from teams like Ohio State, he wants to play and has options. Again, highly doubt this kid is gonna take a 3rd yr on the bench.
So the frick what?
This Quarterback held offers from Alabama and Georgia, he was a finalist in The Opening, a captain at the U.S. Army All-American Bowl part of the Elite 11 Final Roster and was highly recruited.
Current Total QBR: 24th (74.3)
This Quarterback held offers from LSU, Alabama, Clemson, Georgia, Florida State, Miami and Texas.
2018 Total QBR: 48th (68.1)
THIS Quarterback held offers from Georgia, Florida State, Michigan, Oregon, Clemson, USC.
2018 Total QBR: 10th (81.0)
Kyle Trask: 10th (80.0)
The first is Jake Fromm this year.
The second is Feleipe Franks.
The third is Will Grier.
We have a really, really good Quarterback right now and we've already played all of our toughest games except for one. And he's doing it without a rushing offense.
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Actually, wouldn't this be the perfect time? Get all of your young guys game experience vs the easiest schedule we've had in years? js
frick no. That's the perfect time to take your stud RS Senior Quarterback behind a veteran offensive-pass blocking line and dominate your easy schedule as you ride into the National Championship.
Especially since we're replacing a lot of people on defense. We are going to need to score and score fast, and we have a Quarterback who can score.
Posted on 10/22/19 at 8:01 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
You can paint it up however you want, the fact is we lose Emory, we're fricked at QB for 2 more years. Im sure the depth chart as it stood at the time was a heavy recruiting point for Mullen when he talked to Emory. Franks was starting and had a 2 star as the backup.
"You'll be playing by your mid 2nd or 3rd year at the worst, son."
I'm just stating the facts, you guys can scoff at it and try to justify it all you want, guys like Emory aren't going to wait 3-4 years to play. Did you see Pierce talking to Emory after the SC game? He looked pretty pissed standing there with his helmet still on.
"You'll be playing by your mid 2nd or 3rd year at the worst, son."
I'm just stating the facts, you guys can scoff at it and try to justify it all you want, guys like Emory aren't going to wait 3-4 years to play. Did you see Pierce talking to Emory after the SC game? He looked pretty pissed standing there with his helmet still on.
Posted on 10/22/19 at 8:06 pm to dbuchanon
I'm fine with losing Emory. Anthony Richardson and Carlos Del Rio are on the way with both of them taking over in 2021 if that's the case.
That 2-star backup outperformed Franks in every facet and will finish this season with more yards, touchdowns and likely a much better QBR.
I rather go for a championship in year three than watch us struggle to adjust an offense to a Quarterback that doesn't fit it.
The OL is a pass blocking OL, period. I'm not sure an entire off-season (another off-season, at that) can fix it. So we might as well stick with the guy that we know is working right now than try to take a shot with an unknown.
Trask is the guy until he starts to suck, and it should be that way.
That 2-star backup outperformed Franks in every facet and will finish this season with more yards, touchdowns and likely a much better QBR.
I rather go for a championship in year three than watch us struggle to adjust an offense to a Quarterback that doesn't fit it.
The OL is a pass blocking OL, period. I'm not sure an entire off-season (another off-season, at that) can fix it. So we might as well stick with the guy that we know is working right now than try to take a shot with an unknown.
Trask is the guy until he starts to suck, and it should be that way.
Posted on 10/22/19 at 8:19 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Again, save your typing. This has nothing to do with Trask and Franks and what they did or didn't do.
Posted on 10/22/19 at 9:20 pm to dbuchanon
You mentioned him as a backup but he is clearly the better option.
This board has some serious psychosis when it comes to Quarterbacks.
"We have the #3 Quarterback in Total QBR (a much more efficient breakdown of statistics) who is also #3 in Touchdown Passes...better give it to the guy who hasn't done anything so he doesn't transfer."
I'm willing to let go of Emory for Trask. Trask is a proven commodity.
#3 in Total QBR.
#3 in Touchdown Passes.
#4 in Completion Percentage.
Unless he drops to below average (#8) in any of those categories, there is no way we can let that kind of production go just to keep his backup.
This board has some serious psychosis when it comes to Quarterbacks.
"We have the #3 Quarterback in Total QBR (a much more efficient breakdown of statistics) who is also #3 in Touchdown Passes...better give it to the guy who hasn't done anything so he doesn't transfer."
I'm willing to let go of Emory for Trask. Trask is a proven commodity.
#3 in Total QBR.
#3 in Touchdown Passes.
#4 in Completion Percentage.
Unless he drops to below average (#8) in any of those categories, there is no way we can let that kind of production go just to keep his backup.
Posted on 10/22/19 at 9:45 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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You mentioned him as a backup but he is clearly the better option.
Here is what I said, not a thing about any other QB.
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Jones is portal bound if hes not the guy next season
Posted on 10/22/19 at 9:54 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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#3 in Touchdown Passes
In what alternate universe is this? He's not top 25 in td passes, is tied for 23rd in Comp % and is 20th in Rtg
Posted on 10/23/19 at 12:34 am to dbuchanon
All of those numbers are from the SEC.
Why else would I say below average and say #8?
Clearly talking about the SEC.
^ ^ ^ That is what you said, I politely corrected you that Trask, so far, has proven that he is a better Quarterback than Franks and is a more consistent alternative.
He also seems to learn very fast.
Why else would I say below average and say #8?
Clearly talking about the SEC.
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Franks was starting and had a 2 star as the backup.
^ ^ ^ That is what you said, I politely corrected you that Trask, so far, has proven that he is a better Quarterback than Franks and is a more consistent alternative.
He also seems to learn very fast.
Posted on 10/23/19 at 1:14 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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Franks was starting and had a 2 star as the backup. ^ ^ ^ That is what you said,
I said
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Im sure the depth chart as it stood at the time was a heavy recruiting point
Sigh:
Posted on 10/23/19 at 1:15 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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All of those numbers are from the SEC.
Because SEC Qbs are the standard of the position
Posted on 10/23/19 at 1:18 am to dbuchanon
Yeah, the point is that offers and stars don't eclipse production.
Right now Kyle is the most productive Quarterback since Chris Leak and as I've said: Possibly even Rex.
The point of the matter is:
1. The offensive line is naturally better at pass blocking than they are run blocking.
2. None of those fat fricks are leaving early to go to the NFL, so they're likely all back next year.
3. The Quarterback matches the offensive line and is good at passing.
4. The coaching staff had an entire off-season to identify and fix these glaring problems and couldn't.
Conclusion: If we started Emory we'd be putting him behind a line that doesn't match his talents and running off a Quarterback that does gel with the offensive line -- guys who have worked with Kyle for almost an entire year and who understand his tendencies.
I don't think there is any way that we can trade Kyle for Emory when we have his clones AR15 and Carlos Del Rio coming in the two years after next year. Both of those guys are absolute monster athlete QBs who can pass.
All's I'm saying is that in the end we know what we have in Kyle.
Right now Kyle is the most productive Quarterback since Chris Leak and as I've said: Possibly even Rex.
The point of the matter is:
1. The offensive line is naturally better at pass blocking than they are run blocking.
2. None of those fat fricks are leaving early to go to the NFL, so they're likely all back next year.
3. The Quarterback matches the offensive line and is good at passing.
4. The coaching staff had an entire off-season to identify and fix these glaring problems and couldn't.
Conclusion: If we started Emory we'd be putting him behind a line that doesn't match his talents and running off a Quarterback that does gel with the offensive line -- guys who have worked with Kyle for almost an entire year and who understand his tendencies.
I don't think there is any way that we can trade Kyle for Emory when we have his clones AR15 and Carlos Del Rio coming in the two years after next year. Both of those guys are absolute monster athlete QBs who can pass.
All's I'm saying is that in the end we know what we have in Kyle.
Posted on 10/23/19 at 1:41 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
My point isn't about what Kyle, the OL or the defense is or is not doing. EJ wants to play, he came here to play, not sit 3 years. That's all I said
Posted on 10/23/19 at 1:46 am to dbuchanon
...Do you think that Kyle didn't come here to play?
Who cares what Emory wants? Everyone wants to play.
Who cares what Emory wants? Everyone wants to play.
Posted on 10/23/19 at 2:20 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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Do you think that Kyle didn't come here to play?
The coach who vouched for and brought him here is gone, the new HC who runs a system that he isnt the prototypical fit for walked up and asked, do you really wanna be here, want me to help you find another team?
You honestly think after that convo that Trask expected to play or thought he'd ever see the field in a starting role? Like I said, not many teams were at his door. At that point he probably just thought he'd ride it out and get his degree from a top university.
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