Started By
Message
re: Seems Manny is trying to soften the blow early
Posted on 8/17/19 at 1:35 pm to GatorOnAnIsland
Posted on 8/17/19 at 1:35 pm to GatorOnAnIsland
quote:
To say he was mediocre is a compliment to him. He basically got fired on the flight home when his defense was crushed by BYU in 2013.
Gatorwhatever2008 has no idea what he's talking about.
Manny's defense is the same as Muschamp's defense without the elite players.
Bend don't break, rely on turnovers and the offense runs the play clock down to ten seconds to lessen the snaps in the game.
Miami snaps:
Offense: 835
Defense: 839
Florida snaps:
Offense: 888
Defense: 869
Dude's a garbage DC.
1
Posted on 8/17/19 at 2:02 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
His defense is absolutely not bend don't break and to imply so means you have no comprehension of what the defense is. Manny pressures, often. That's why they were tops in TFL two straight years.
You have no clue you just ramble on about shite but you are so far off it's not even funny. You are absolutely, 100 percent wrong here. His defense literally led the nation in "havoc" which does not happen with bend don't break. His defense is known for the exact opposite. Just fricking study shite before you ramble on holy frick.
LINK /
"A very popular phrase for the previous defense was “bend but don’t break”, which reflected the ideals of the previous staff. The number 1 priority was to prevent the big play, even if that meant giving up easy 10 yard completions up and down the field. Diaz goes to about the opposite end of that spectrum that you can. He wants negative plays even if that means giving up chunk plays to the offense"
Some more proof you are wrong
LINK
LINK
LINK
I can do more. They literally led the nation in TFL last year. But yea...it's bend don't break.
You have no clue you just ramble on about shite but you are so far off it's not even funny. You are absolutely, 100 percent wrong here. His defense literally led the nation in "havoc" which does not happen with bend don't break. His defense is known for the exact opposite. Just fricking study shite before you ramble on holy frick.
LINK /
"A very popular phrase for the previous defense was “bend but don’t break”, which reflected the ideals of the previous staff. The number 1 priority was to prevent the big play, even if that meant giving up easy 10 yard completions up and down the field. Diaz goes to about the opposite end of that spectrum that you can. He wants negative plays even if that means giving up chunk plays to the offense"
Some more proof you are wrong
LINK
LINK
LINK
I can do more. They literally led the nation in TFL last year. But yea...it's bend don't break.
This post was edited on 8/17/19 at 2:26 pm
Posted on 8/17/19 at 4:52 pm to Gatorbait2008
Havoc is a made up ridiculous iteration.
I gave you the amount of plays to show you -- they shortened the games by taking time off of the clock.
It's okay to be wrong, lil' guy -- and when we run all over their trash defense you can disappear for a little while again.
I gave you the amount of plays to show you -- they shortened the games by taking time off of the clock.
It's okay to be wrong, lil' guy -- and when we run all over their trash defense you can disappear for a little while again.
Posted on 8/17/19 at 5:04 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Dude..I'm done, I love you Straws but you are going full retard. His defense is literally the OPPOSITE of what you said it was. Like directly opposite. As in not even remotely close to what you said.
Just drop it bro. You know you are wrong.
Just drop it bro. You know you are wrong.
This post was edited on 8/17/19 at 5:05 pm
Posted on 8/17/19 at 5:07 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Of course, I look up their turnovers on the year:
Turnovers from teams with winning records + P5: 7
Turnovers from the rest: 18
OH THE HAVOC, THE TENACITY OF THAT DEFENSE.
In the first six games of their last season they played a single team that had a winning record and was a P5 team -- LSU and they got the frick beaten out of them and their defense.
You want to suck Miami dick, you go right ahead, but they padded the hell out of their stats by playing a completely shitty schedule -- substituting G5s for FCS teams doesn't make their schedule any stronger.
Turnovers from teams with winning records + P5: 7
Turnovers from the rest: 18
OH THE HAVOC, THE TENACITY OF THAT DEFENSE.
In the first six games of their last season they played a single team that had a winning record and was a P5 team -- LSU and they got the frick beaten out of them and their defense.
You want to suck Miami dick, you go right ahead, but they padded the hell out of their stats by playing a completely shitty schedule -- substituting G5s for FCS teams doesn't make their schedule any stronger.
This post was edited on 8/17/19 at 5:15 pm
Posted on 8/17/19 at 5:10 pm to Gatorbait2008
No, you're taking a Havoc score that doesn't factor that they got a huge chunk of that score playing weak G5 teams. You're giving them more credit than they earned, and they were only "okay".
If they played a real schedule they wouldn't be able to do shite.
I'll show you more:
Miami's record vs. P5 teams with winning Records:
0 - 6 (Jesus frick I didn't know it was this bad.)
They literally did not beat a team with a winning record.
Florida: 4 - 3. (two top ten losses, two top ten wins)
If they played a real schedule they wouldn't be able to do shite.
I'll show you more:
Miami's record vs. P5 teams with winning Records:
0 - 6 (Jesus frick I didn't know it was this bad.)
They literally did not beat a team with a winning record.
Florida: 4 - 3. (two top ten losses, two top ten wins)
This post was edited on 8/17/19 at 5:26 pm
Posted on 8/17/19 at 6:01 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Once again you claimed their defense is literally the direct opposite. You can say whatever you want, it's all bullshite. You clearly have never watched them play. His defense is in zero way a "bend don't break" as you claimed. It's not even remotely close.
No one is sucking their dick. You are just acting like an idiot. Their defense IS good. Their defense WILL cause some issues because it is aggressive and our Oline is new. They are not paper tigers on defense. Every available metric shows it. Their offense is absolutely terrible, not their defense.
You just want shite to be true and make shite up to make it so. You calling his defense bend don't break just proves it. Which is why you are side stepping now to avoid it. No one said Miami is a great team. I said their defense is not a paper tiger. It isn't. Claiming other wise is just ridiculous.
No one is sucking their dick. You are just acting like an idiot. Their defense IS good. Their defense WILL cause some issues because it is aggressive and our Oline is new. They are not paper tigers on defense. Every available metric shows it. Their offense is absolutely terrible, not their defense.
You just want shite to be true and make shite up to make it so. You calling his defense bend don't break just proves it. Which is why you are side stepping now to avoid it. No one said Miami is a great team. I said their defense is not a paper tiger. It isn't. Claiming other wise is just ridiculous.
This post was edited on 8/17/19 at 6:04 pm
Posted on 8/17/19 at 6:55 pm to Gatorbait2008
Your argument is "their defense is good".
My argument is: Their defense is good against shite opponents.
The stats you are using are from teams that 1. didn't bowl or 2. aren't P5 teams.
You mentioned their S&P but you didn't mention that they played one ranked team the entire season.
One. LSU. And their defense got absolutely trucked to the point that LSU didn't even run their offense in the second half.
If those fricks played a real schedule they wouldn't bowl.
Take the L, dude. They rose their havoc rating playing shitty teams and when they played real teams the defense didn't do a goddamn thing.
We had more turnovers than they did against P5 teams with winning records you thick frick -- and we played 6 ranked teams. Four fricking top ten teams.
Your entire argument is from flawed systems and that you're stupidly plodding along to just not be wrong is a bad look.
My argument is: Their defense is good against shite opponents.
The stats you are using are from teams that 1. didn't bowl or 2. aren't P5 teams.
You mentioned their S&P but you didn't mention that they played one ranked team the entire season.
One. LSU. And their defense got absolutely trucked to the point that LSU didn't even run their offense in the second half.
If those fricks played a real schedule they wouldn't bowl.
Take the L, dude. They rose their havoc rating playing shitty teams and when they played real teams the defense didn't do a goddamn thing.
We had more turnovers than they did against P5 teams with winning records you thick frick -- and we played 6 ranked teams. Four fricking top ten teams.
Your entire argument is from flawed systems and that you're stupidly plodding along to just not be wrong is a bad look.
This post was edited on 8/17/19 at 6:58 pm
Posted on 8/17/19 at 7:21 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Miami's defense was 2013 UF good.
Meaning it would have been rock solid if it had any offensive support at all, but it didn't.
Even with that, they were #1 nationally in pass efficiency defense, #4 in total defense, #1 in passing yards allowed, #1 in 3rd down conversion defense, #18 scoring defense, and they forced 25 turnovers, which is strong, but their offense lost 26 LOL!
Their weak link was their rush defense. Which was #46 overall.
In the Wisconsin game, it was 14-3 late in the third quarter, and one of those TD's allowed was a pick 6. Miami's defense kept them in that game all day, but their offense was just SOOOO bad. Wisconsin could just casually run the ball over and over with no fear that Miami would ever score.
You could go back through every game and see how their offense totally screwed them, just like UF in 2013-2017.
Their defense, statistically, was solid. Say what you want about the schedule. You don't have the #1 3rd down and #1 PE defense just because of a soft schedule.
Meaning it would have been rock solid if it had any offensive support at all, but it didn't.
Even with that, they were #1 nationally in pass efficiency defense, #4 in total defense, #1 in passing yards allowed, #1 in 3rd down conversion defense, #18 scoring defense, and they forced 25 turnovers, which is strong, but their offense lost 26 LOL!
Their weak link was their rush defense. Which was #46 overall.
In the Wisconsin game, it was 14-3 late in the third quarter, and one of those TD's allowed was a pick 6. Miami's defense kept them in that game all day, but their offense was just SOOOO bad. Wisconsin could just casually run the ball over and over with no fear that Miami would ever score.
You could go back through every game and see how their offense totally screwed them, just like UF in 2013-2017.
Their defense, statistically, was solid. Say what you want about the schedule. You don't have the #1 3rd down and #1 PE defense just because of a soft schedule.
Posted on 8/17/19 at 7:42 pm to slayerxing
quote:
Their defense, statistically, was solid. Say what you want about the schedule. You don't have the #1 3rd down and #1 PE defense just because of a soft schedule.
I'm pretty sure if Florida and Miami switched schedules Miami's defensive numbers would suffer considerably.
quote:
Miami's defense was 2013 UF good.
The defense that gave up 400 yards of rushing to Georgia Southern?
Not helping your case.
Posted on 8/17/19 at 9:20 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
They weren’t 2013 injured tho lol.
Seriously what team with a crap defense was ever #1 in pe defense and 3rd down defense?
Seriously what team with a crap defense was ever #1 in pe defense and 3rd down defense?
Posted on 8/17/19 at 9:21 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Also Alabama gave up over 300 rushing to ga southern recently but I guess their defense sucked that year? Cmon
Posted on 8/17/19 at 11:32 pm to slayerxing
You want a list of the teams that gave up 300 yards on the ground to Wisconsin?
New Mexico. (3 - 9)
Nebraska. (4 - 8)
Illinois. (4 - 8)
Rutgers. (1 - 11)
Purdue. (6 - 7)
I guess all of their offenses sucked, too, right?
Or, maybe, if Miami was in a different conference and didn't play 11 unranked teams their defense would have had very different numbers.
Their division had 45 wins on the year.
The SEC East had 57.
We'd probably have the #1 defense in the country too if we played one ranked team instead of 5.
New Mexico. (3 - 9)
Nebraska. (4 - 8)
Illinois. (4 - 8)
Rutgers. (1 - 11)
Purdue. (6 - 7)
I guess all of their offenses sucked, too, right?
Or, maybe, if Miami was in a different conference and didn't play 11 unranked teams their defense would have had very different numbers.
Their division had 45 wins on the year.
The SEC East had 57.
We'd probably have the #1 defense in the country too if we played one ranked team instead of 5.
Posted on 8/17/19 at 11:47 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
You can still be a good defense and play nobodies. The two aren’t mutually exclusive.
Also you keep focusing on Wisconsin. They only had 7 points through 3 full quarters. Sounds like the defense did it’s job till the offense ran them out of gas. Did you even watch the game?
Also you keep focusing on Wisconsin. They only had 7 points through 3 full quarters. Sounds like the defense did it’s job till the offense ran them out of gas. Did you even watch the game?
Posted on 8/18/19 at 12:53 am to slayerxing
quote:
Also you keep focusing on Wisconsin. They only had 7 points through 3 full quarters. Sounds like the defense did it’s job till the offense ran them out of gas. Did you even watch the game?
I did, and I watched LSU, too, and watched them go ahead and stop running their offense right after halftime.
If Miami played Georgia, Kentucky, Michigan and Mississippi State they'd give up 300 yards to all of them, too.
Florida's SOS was 14th in the country.
Miami's was 72nd. To say that didn't contribute to their defensive statistics is retarded.
This post was edited on 8/18/19 at 12:58 am
Posted on 8/18/19 at 2:56 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Can we stop the arguing about stats. We all know the u is in deep doo doo. Our defense will be all over their QB and cause turnovers.
Their defense will not stop our offense all night..aint happening. Lets agree to disagree if you think the game will hinge on 4th FG to win.
Their defense will not stop our offense all night..aint happening. Lets agree to disagree if you think the game will hinge on 4th FG to win.
Posted on 8/18/19 at 6:18 am to real_gator8
I think Florida is gonna win I just think saying their defense isn’t good is silly but I guess it doesn’t matter.
Posted on 8/18/19 at 12:25 pm to slayerxing
Their defense was good -- when facing the 72nd strongest SOS in the country.
What's silly is pretending that playing a weak schedule doesn't bolster stats.
What's silly is pretending that playing a weak schedule doesn't bolster stats.
Posted on 8/18/19 at 2:17 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Totally accept the bolstering stats part. But not to the point that you are ranked #1 statistically.
A bad defense is never ranked #1 in 3rd down defense.
Period.
They are a good defense.
All the adjusted stat guys think so too.
It's the offense that holds them back. As a Florida fan having seen it myself it is easy to see.
A bad defense is never ranked #1 in 3rd down defense.
Period.
They are a good defense.
All the adjusted stat guys think so too.
It's the offense that holds them back. As a Florida fan having seen it myself it is easy to see.
Posted on 8/18/19 at 2:39 pm to slayerxing
quote:
Totally accept the bolstering stats part. But not to the point that you are ranked #1 statistically.
They are literally only ranked #1 because of bolstered stats, I already gave the statistics for their "havoc rating".
Turnovers from teams with winning records + P5: 7
Turnovers from the rest: 18
If you don't think 18 turnovers from cupcakes didn't help them achieve that record you're out of your mind.
Just for perspective: Florida had 8 turnovers from teams with winning records + P5 -- and hilariously we had the 14th toughest schedule in the country vs. their 72nd.
Do you think Miami is even remotely close to the top ten if they played our schedule? Come on, man.
Similarly, they are not ranked #1 by S&P, they are outside of the top ten.
Page 2 of 3
Popular
Back to top
Follow SECRant for SEC Football News