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re: Pro Football Focus grades UF players vs. Miami.
Posted on 8/27/19 at 12:13 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Posted on 8/27/19 at 12:13 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Fair enough. I’m not ready to give up on the dude yet. But if we barely beat KY and TN, or god forbid lose to one of them, I’ll be behind you %100
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Posted on 8/27/19 at 1:20 am to JortsOnTheRise
And allow me to explain my consternation:
We were [ ] that close to losing to Miami and losing 100% of the progress we built last year. Imagine how hard it would have been to recruit Florida after a first year head coach came in and beat us with a redshirt freshman at QB and an entire offensive line on skates the entire game.
It would literally be worse than losing to Kentucky, way worse.
Imagine if we lost after Franks mugged the camera and threw that interception.
We were [ ] that close from being the absolute fricking clownshoes of not just the SEC but the country.
We have a QB who is a redshirt junior -- a senior, someone who has been on campus for four years -- someone everyone has been telling me that is maturing, getting better week to week, becoming that leader we need, the next Tebow, an NFL first rounder, maybe even someone who could make the Heisman list.
All of this hype and talk to come out and do that. He never looked comfortable, and the guy on the other side of the field did. First game starting against a rival with a horrendous offensive line and their QB looked more calm, collected and while he made mistakes (I mean, he literally got sacked 10 times and fumbled like five), he was still way more focused than our guy.
tl;dr
If Franks has a come to Jesus moment and starts to focus on the game like he should he could literally be an all-star. His numbers are decent, but it comes in such an unappealing package that it makes it hard to support his behavior.
I'm just tired of being scared every single game wondering which guy is going to show up. Jekyll or Hyde?
We were [ ] that close to losing to Miami and losing 100% of the progress we built last year. Imagine how hard it would have been to recruit Florida after a first year head coach came in and beat us with a redshirt freshman at QB and an entire offensive line on skates the entire game.
It would literally be worse than losing to Kentucky, way worse.
Imagine if we lost after Franks mugged the camera and threw that interception.
We were [ ] that close from being the absolute fricking clownshoes of not just the SEC but the country.
We have a QB who is a redshirt junior -- a senior, someone who has been on campus for four years -- someone everyone has been telling me that is maturing, getting better week to week, becoming that leader we need, the next Tebow, an NFL first rounder, maybe even someone who could make the Heisman list.
All of this hype and talk to come out and do that. He never looked comfortable, and the guy on the other side of the field did. First game starting against a rival with a horrendous offensive line and their QB looked more calm, collected and while he made mistakes (I mean, he literally got sacked 10 times and fumbled like five), he was still way more focused than our guy.
tl;dr
If Franks has a come to Jesus moment and starts to focus on the game like he should he could literally be an all-star. His numbers are decent, but it comes in such an unappealing package that it makes it hard to support his behavior.
I'm just tired of being scared every single game wondering which guy is going to show up. Jekyll or Hyde?
Posted on 8/27/19 at 8:23 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
That was a good analysis of Franks without calling him trash or worse. If you would just do that, you wouldn't catch as much shite from other Gator fans as you do. 
Posted on 8/27/19 at 10:34 am to UFMatt
Straws needs to talk about other parts of the team instead of the fixation of Franks....never discusses WRs, OL, LBs or usually anything else. It would be a nice breath of fresh air.
Posted on 8/27/19 at 11:37 am to UFMatt
I really don't care about Gators fans giving me shite. Really, really don't.
If people want to stick up for him it just gives me some time to kill for the day. The more excuses floated out, the more I talk. Really, if we just accepted that he's really not the answer unless there are drastic changes I'd probably stop posting.
For instance, reel wants to talk about the receivers:
They'd be a lot better if we had a QB who could find them when they're wide open.
OL + Run Game: Is inextricably tied to the pass game. Our OL was in fantastic position for pass coverage, and a lot of people losing their mind about them were proven wrong.
Football is synergistic and in the end, the QB position is the most important position on the field and usually the linchpin to everything having flow.
If you have an erratic, inconsistent Quarterback, you will have an erratic, inconsistent offense.
Talking about the OL, our WRs, our RBs and TEs is a waste of time if we don't have a QB who can lead them with a modicum of maturity.
Defense is just like last year. We start fast, sloppy and really just look like a backyard football team but by the end of the year their unit is going to be scary.
If people want to stick up for him it just gives me some time to kill for the day. The more excuses floated out, the more I talk. Really, if we just accepted that he's really not the answer unless there are drastic changes I'd probably stop posting.
For instance, reel wants to talk about the receivers:
They'd be a lot better if we had a QB who could find them when they're wide open.
OL + Run Game: Is inextricably tied to the pass game. Our OL was in fantastic position for pass coverage, and a lot of people losing their mind about them were proven wrong.
Football is synergistic and in the end, the QB position is the most important position on the field and usually the linchpin to everything having flow.
If you have an erratic, inconsistent Quarterback, you will have an erratic, inconsistent offense.
Talking about the OL, our WRs, our RBs and TEs is a waste of time if we don't have a QB who can lead them with a modicum of maturity.
Defense is just like last year. We start fast, sloppy and really just look like a backyard football team but by the end of the year their unit is going to be scary.
Posted on 8/27/19 at 12:43 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
we're gonna give up lots of passing yards this year.
Posted on 8/27/19 at 12:52 pm to SailorGator
We'll get our starting safety back soon (hopefully) and that will help shore up a lot of the problems that we've had regarding the pass defense. I didn't think it was too bad, but again, we can't expect the defense to be on the field for so long every game and bail us out.
Offenses are designed to beat defenses, period.
Miami had 66 plays to our 54.
They only had two more yards against our defense with 12 more plays -- we have got to stop blaming our defense for basically shutting teams down while our offense fails to get the job done.
This isn't to say that the defense was perfect, there are obviously a lot of things that need to be fixed -- but when you turn the ball over 4 times and fail to get first downs (we got less first downs than Miami's offense which is a huge red flag considering the personnel) the tackling invariably starts to fail more often than not.
They got 8 yards in the third quarter.
8. Total offense.
We had the ball for 2 minutes in the 4th quarter.
Offenses are designed to beat defenses, period.
Miami had 66 plays to our 54.
They only had two more yards against our defense with 12 more plays -- we have got to stop blaming our defense for basically shutting teams down while our offense fails to get the job done.
This isn't to say that the defense was perfect, there are obviously a lot of things that need to be fixed -- but when you turn the ball over 4 times and fail to get first downs (we got less first downs than Miami's offense which is a huge red flag considering the personnel) the tackling invariably starts to fail more often than not.
They got 8 yards in the third quarter.
8. Total offense.
We had the ball for 2 minutes in the 4th quarter.
Posted on 8/27/19 at 2:25 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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I really don't care about Gators fans giving me shite. Really, really don't.
That's not true Straws...you were quiet as a church mouse last year when Franks played well in the last few games and the team played well also...you knew your bashing of Franks would have been rejected and your cause for bashing even more revealed by Gator fans.
You posted that that a QB recruit would cause Franks to transfer and we know who transferred after sexual assault was alledged. Be careful what you wish for. If Jones or Trask are handed the reins tomorrow I would pull for them cause they would be our starter. You, on the other hand wishes ill will on our starter. Mullen is smarter than both of us and he knows who to start.
I have come to the conclusion that Franks is going to still be acting like he is in the hood. I don't act like it cause Im old school...but look around and most kids today between 18-21 are acting like that. Mullen seems to have accepted it. That's why I posted the locker room video clip. Mullen even said in pre game interview that Franks dances around in the locker room before game time and so do 98% of our players.
The season still has 11 games to go...fix the OL issues and run the ball well and we can win a lot of games.
Posted on 8/27/19 at 2:55 pm to real_gator8
You're so ill-informed and dishonest it hurts.
I wasn't quiet, I was praising him and also saying that we should temper our expectations because we faced a bad defense at SCAR, an FCS, a terrible FSU team and a really good Michigan team.
He did well in those games, maybe even a little above average.
He just regressed, especially mentally. Dude is no where near where he should be as a redshirt junior strutting around like a peacock while having the worst PFF grade on our team.
I wish he was the guy you guys pretend he is, that's it.
I wasn't quiet, I was praising him and also saying that we should temper our expectations because we faced a bad defense at SCAR, an FCS, a terrible FSU team and a really good Michigan team.
He did well in those games, maybe even a little above average.
He just regressed, especially mentally. Dude is no where near where he should be as a redshirt junior strutting around like a peacock while having the worst PFF grade on our team.
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You, on the other hand wishes ill will on our starter.
I wish he was the guy you guys pretend he is, that's it.
Posted on 8/27/19 at 4:09 pm to real_gator8
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Straws needs to talk about other parts of the team instead of the fixation of Franks....never discusses WRs, OL, LBs or usually anything else. It would be a nice breath of fresh air.
Along those lines my concerns from Saturday night in order are
1) Tackling
2) Attitudes, including Franks but others too
3) Penalties
4) Run blocking
5) Franks poor decision making at critical times
6) Some of the play calling
Posted on 8/27/19 at 4:44 pm to UFMatt
Our defense gave up 8 total yards in the entire 3rd quarter, deep into the second half.
Tackling is a problem, but absolutely not the first.
If I had to put the problems in order, without naming anyone:
1. Consistency on offense.
2. Playbook options. If we have weaknesses we need to scheme around them.
3. Attitude adjustments -- we didn't play fired up.
4. Discipline.
I thought run blocking was fine, but I think the playcalling was pretty vanilla. It may just be that we're saving some things for down the road (Mullen 100% did it last year, so this isn't a comparison for McElwain or Muschamp.)
Tackling is a problem, but absolutely not the first.
If I had to put the problems in order, without naming anyone:
1. Consistency on offense.
2. Playbook options. If we have weaknesses we need to scheme around them.
3. Attitude adjustments -- we didn't play fired up.
4. Discipline.
I thought run blocking was fine, but I think the playcalling was pretty vanilla. It may just be that we're saving some things for down the road (Mullen 100% did it last year, so this isn't a comparison for McElwain or Muschamp.)
Posted on 8/27/19 at 6:54 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Run blocking was fine? We watched different games. our OL couldn't get a push to get a decent run game going. miamuhs rushing totals are slightly skewed by the TFLs and sacks of course....especially in the second half and our defense shut down their run game for the most part.
# 51 Ventral Miller was crucial midway in the 1st qt when he stopped the easy swing passes Williams was able to throw. Once those easy pas plays evaporated he had to look more downfield and it was sack city. Imo Miller was MVP of the game...he sacked or got a lot of pressure on Williams inside the pocket and Greenard and Zuniga were beasts.
As for being dishonest...my statement was you stopped bashing Franks at the end of the season and that is the basis for being "quiet". I didn't say you stopped making comments. Keep up.
# 51 Ventral Miller was crucial midway in the 1st qt when he stopped the easy swing passes Williams was able to throw. Once those easy pas plays evaporated he had to look more downfield and it was sack city. Imo Miller was MVP of the game...he sacked or got a lot of pressure on Williams inside the pocket and Greenard and Zuniga were beasts.
As for being dishonest...my statement was you stopped bashing Franks at the end of the season and that is the basis for being "quiet". I didn't say you stopped making comments. Keep up.
Posted on 8/27/19 at 7:03 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
UF adjusted well at half time for sure.
Had it not been for egregious broken tackles, UF probably wins 24-13, even with the turnovers.
I can't say this enough tho - those 4 turnovers KILLED UF. Ruined Momentum. Killed drives. Took the offense off the field.
UF may not have another 4 turnover game all year.
And maybe the defense will come up with a few more of their own next time.
Had it not been for egregious broken tackles, UF probably wins 24-13, even with the turnovers.
I can't say this enough tho - those 4 turnovers KILLED UF. Ruined Momentum. Killed drives. Took the offense off the field.
UF may not have another 4 turnover game all year.
And maybe the defense will come up with a few more of their own next time.
Posted on 8/27/19 at 7:36 pm to slayerxing
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I can't say this enough tho - those 4 turnovers KILLED UF. Ruined Momentum. Killed drives. Took the offense off the field.
I mean, just look at the drive chart.
Miami: Field Goal. (Sustained drive.)
Florida: Touchdown.
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Miami: 3 and out.
Florida: Fumble.
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Miami: 3 and out.
Florida: Fumble.
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Miami: Field goal. (This is when our defense starts to fail.)
Florida: 3 and out.
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Miami: Touchdown.
In the second Quarter, our first fumble happened at 13:18.
The next three drives would have a grand total of 9 plays. 2 for the second fumble, a three and out, and of course the terrible ending to the second Quarter.
So really, when Miami started to really drive and score was when our offense turned it over and failed to get first downs.
The Fourth Quarter, too, was an abomination.
Florida: 2 plays, Interception.
Miami: 8 plays, missed field goal.
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Florida: 4 plays, Touchdown.
Miami: 7 plays, Downs.
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Florida: 1 play, Interception.
In 3 possessions we averaged 2.5 downs. That is inexcusable.
Tackling could be better, but when your offense is consistently giving the ball up at crucial times and has them practically back to back, any defense is going to start to gas and lose its discipline.
At the end of the day, as with every Gator team in the past decade: We're going to watch the defense play lights out but get blamed for basically the offense being completely incapable of sustaining drives.
Posted on 8/27/19 at 10:30 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
I never stated that Franks had a great game, a lot of miscues....the fumbles have been analyzed by others smarter than us and the Davis fumble wasn't on Franks. The one pick is even questionable and the only one on this board who saw what happened is finch. There were two Gators just a few yds from each and the pass was intended for the second WR, not Swain...who tipped it.
That's two of the turnovers and Im not going to say Perine was at fault for the fumble exchange, cause it looked like Franks was trying to pull the ball out and run an option....it just was poor execution all the way around. Score there and its 14-3 and we have them on their heels. BTW the second pick Franks threw resulted in no points for the canes when they missed a FG.
The fact our team is so well conditioned late in games is a credit to Savage.
That's two of the turnovers and Im not going to say Perine was at fault for the fumble exchange, cause it looked like Franks was trying to pull the ball out and run an option....it just was poor execution all the way around. Score there and its 14-3 and we have them on their heels. BTW the second pick Franks threw resulted in no points for the canes when they missed a FG.
The fact our team is so well conditioned late in games is a credit to Savage.
Posted on 8/27/19 at 11:46 pm to real_gator8
Miami didn't capitalize, teams like Georgia will.
We can't have our redshirt junior leader throwing into triple coverage and then crying about it on the sideline, period.
We can't have him fumbling with zero pressure like he did all throughout his career.
He was almost wholly to blame for keeping Miami in the game. Whether or not you want to say that it was tipped and it was intended for another receiver -- he should have been throwing it to the closer receiver anyway.
He consistently seeks to make big plays instead of smart plays and that's the bottom line.
I don't think I have ever seen a Quarterback who people made such grand, acrobatic attempts to excuse poor play or behavior. If we saw this kid at another school we'd be just like every other single fan base and saying:
Dude's clownshoes.
We can't have our redshirt junior leader throwing into triple coverage and then crying about it on the sideline, period.
We can't have him fumbling with zero pressure like he did all throughout his career.
He was almost wholly to blame for keeping Miami in the game. Whether or not you want to say that it was tipped and it was intended for another receiver -- he should have been throwing it to the closer receiver anyway.
He consistently seeks to make big plays instead of smart plays and that's the bottom line.
I don't think I have ever seen a Quarterback who people made such grand, acrobatic attempts to excuse poor play or behavior. If we saw this kid at another school we'd be just like every other single fan base and saying:
Dude's clownshoes.
Posted on 8/28/19 at 6:06 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Straws I think for most of us we have just reached the acceptance phase with Franks.
It's obvious he's the guy that Mullen has chosen.
We just have to take the good with the bad.
It's obvious he's the guy that Mullen has chosen.
We just have to take the good with the bad.
Posted on 8/28/19 at 8:13 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
In the quarters when we didn't have many plays, the reasons were turnovers on offense in the second, and penalties that extended drives on the defense in the fourth, not just general poor play.
If that makes sense.
If that makes sense.
Posted on 8/28/19 at 8:43 am to slayerxing
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Spurrier expounded on his reaction in footage caught by sports director Courtney Mims of WMBBTV ABC 13.
“I was just like everybody else like, ‘man, what is he doing? What happened,'” Spurrier said. “They had a pass play on and it just wasn’t there. He tried to force it I guess and threw it right to the guy. Fortunately, we got the guy down. And fortunately they had a penalty on the play that put them from the 25 (yard line) all the way back to the 40.
"If they had been on the 25, they might would’ve kicked a field goal … I don’t know. Somehow another it all worked out for the Gators.”
Posted on 8/28/19 at 12:08 pm to boXerrumble
I almost feel bad for Spurrier, because he couldn't even hold it back. Everyone knew what he was thinking, and the hilarity of his face made everyone pay a lot of attention.
Well, thankfully he didn't go in deeper or Franks might tag him in his next Instagram post.
Well, thankfully he didn't go in deeper or Franks might tag him in his next Instagram post.
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