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re: NegaGators, WTF?

Posted on 8/10/18 at 12:24 am to
Posted by StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Member since Sep 2013
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Posted on 8/10/18 at 12:24 am to
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Straws me and you both know there isn’t a damn thing I can say that’s going to change your mind about anything


Because you don't have an argument.

It's white noise, it's nonsense. You have no idea what Mullen's team is going to look like. No statistics, nothing pointing to something bad about him without context.

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I think the mans average, I don’t need him to coach a game to have that opinion.


You don't need to see his on field production to know he's an average coach? Based on what? Give me something for you to feel that way, if you have any evidence whatsoever.

You could say his record against Top 25 teams, but of course, he's at MSST. I'm sure if we went back 9 years before he got there they probably didn't have a single ranked win. In fact, their program has net losses.

So tell me what evidence that you have, not what you feel.
This post was edited on 8/10/18 at 12:32 am
Posted by slayerxing
Gainesville
Member since Feb 2010
11045 posts
Posted on 8/10/18 at 8:21 am to
I will say one thing I am optimistic about is QB development.

Mullen has proven over and over that he can do that, and it's been the biggest piece that UF has been missing in recent years.

Traditionally, if UF has a QB that can walk and chew gum at the same time, the team is pretty good.

Don't know if UF has a QB like that on the roster right now, but I'm sure Mullen will find one in the next couple of years if there isn't one already.
Posted by Muthsera
Member since Jun 2017
7319 posts
Posted on 8/10/18 at 8:29 am to
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It is hard to explain why some are so ardently negative.


A substantial amount of the truly negative, always bitching Gator fans online are young people (15-25 years old) who missed out on the Spurrier and Meyer days. Many of them didn't become UF fans until they got to college (something I had no idea was a thing until the internet taught me not everyone grew up watching football). So, you're on campus with all the energy of a big-time program and you see statues and trophies and everyone around you is talking about how you just missed the time when we were the absolute shite, the fricking kings of college athletics. Then you get 4-8 and Clarabelle at QB - kinda easy to see the attitude that would foster.

The older fans that are negative are the "Spurrier woulda dropped 80 on em" when we win 35-10 types. They are no less annoying midseason, maybe worse, but I never really see them dump on the team before they even step on the field.
Posted by slayerxing
Gainesville
Member since Feb 2010
11045 posts
Posted on 8/10/18 at 11:33 am to
I was at games in the 90s.

We would be up 20 and people in the stands on the alumni side would be screaming bloody murder at spurrier.


Posted by UFMatt
Proud again to be an American
Member since Oct 2010
12876 posts
Posted on 8/10/18 at 1:10 pm to
I like what I heard today that Coach Mullen wants to name a starter ASAP and not wait until game week. Pick your man and coach him up!!!
Posted by boXerrumble
Member since Sep 2011
54317 posts
Posted on 8/10/18 at 1:38 pm to
I dont know what a good Gator QB looks like anymore.

I am sold on our offense being a complete pile of garbage until I see us scoring 30+ points again and looking somewhat competent on a play to play basis.
Posted by UFMatt
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Posted on 8/10/18 at 2:13 pm to
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I am sold on our offense being a complete pile of garbage until I see us scoring 30+ points again and looking somewhat competent on a play to play basis.


Then get your ticket for Saturday Sept. 1, it's a new day in Gator football. Go Gators.
Posted by StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Member since Sep 2013
21146 posts
Posted on 8/10/18 at 2:13 pm to
I know Trask can see the field better (as evidenced by the Spring Game), but we'll just have to see going forward. Franks has a lot of work to do, and so too does Trask but I feel like ultimately it comes down to who can read the defense better pre-snap and adjust the offense with little help.

Mullen's offense is very QB "think" heavy. I would never say this on TWitter, but I actually think Jalon Jones is our future, not Emory.
Posted by UFMatt
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Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 8/10/18 at 2:59 pm to
Is Gatorbait24 an alt for TJgator1215? Sounding a lot alike.
This post was edited on 8/10/18 at 3:01 pm
Posted by GatorBait24
Pensacola
Member since Jul 2016
6136 posts
Posted on 8/10/18 at 3:19 pm to
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You don't need to see his on field production to know he's an average coach? Based on what? Give me something for you to feel that way, if you have any evidence whatsoever. You could say his record against Top 25 teams, but of course, he's at MSST. I'm sure if we went back 9 years before he got there they probably didn't have a single ranked win. In fact, their program has net losses. So tell me what evidence that you have, not what you feel.

I really wish you would pump the brakes on thinking you know me. I promise you have know idea who I am or what I know.
I don’t like that he uses his QB as a battering ram 15 times a game.
I don’t like the coaching staff he has put together.
I think demoting Sieder for Knox was a bad decision.
The emphasis he put on California in recruiting was borderline mental retardation.
What is he doing with the gimmicky workouts and Butch like sayings?
How many times are we going to hear relentless effort while we are sitting in #30th place in recruiting?
Why didn’t he bring in a grad transfer like Burrow?
This is just off the top of my head would you like me to keep going?
Posted by GatorBait24
Pensacola
Member since Jul 2016
6136 posts
Posted on 8/10/18 at 3:21 pm to
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Is Gatorbait24 an alt for TJgator1215? Sounding a lot alike.

TJ has been here quite a bit longer than I have. I say positive things from time to time about our Gators so I may be bad but I’m not him.
Posted by GatorBait24
Pensacola
Member since Jul 2016
6136 posts
Posted on 8/10/18 at 3:23 pm to
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Mullen's offense is very QB "think" heavy

I thought we had no idea what Mullen’s offense will be like??? Are you suggesting his past gives us a good baseline for his future performance? No way, you can’t contradict yourself like that.
Posted by GatorBait24
Pensacola
Member since Jul 2016
6136 posts
Posted on 8/10/18 at 3:26 pm to
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substantial amount of the truly negative, always bitching Gator fans online are young people (15-25 years old) who missed out on the Spurrier and Meyer days. Many of them didn't become UF fans until they got to college (something I had no idea was a thing until the internet taught me not everyone grew up watching football). So, you're on campus with all the energy of a big-time program and you see statues and trophies and everyone around you is talking about how you just missed the time when we were the absolute shite, the fricking kings of college athletics. Then you get 4-8 and Clarabelle at QB - kinda easy to see the attitude that would foster.

What a beautiful explanation of what many of us feel. Nicely done.
Posted by StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Member since Sep 2013
21146 posts
Posted on 8/10/18 at 4:40 pm to
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I really wish you would pump the brakes on thinking you know me. I promise you have know idea who I am or what I know.


You could clear this up if you wanted,

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I don’t like that he uses his QB as a battering ram 15 times a game.


Why not? His Quarterback almost had a thousand yards rushing, and we won a championship with a Rushing Quarterback. (Really won two because of him, but we'll say for one.) IF you point to the injury, Tebow had a clean run to a championship, so.

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I don’t like the coaching staff he has put together.


What coaching staff do you think is better in the SEC? Just for an example, our coaching staff has 22 / 23 years of experience in their respective positions, while UT has only 2 split between their HC, OC and DC.

So we'll say behind UGA, Alabama and maybe A&M at this point?

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I think demoting Sieder for Knox was a bad decision.


Seider decided to go before he was even changed according to insiders.

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The emphasis he put on California in recruiting was borderline mental retardation.


The #1 CB in the country in two different agencies calls you and says he wants to visit and has high interest, what do you say?

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What is he doing with the gimmicky workouts and Butch like sayings?


Building team cohesion. Our team has looked much more united over the past off-season than ever before and they look like they're having fun.

They're allowed to have fun if they're making strides in the S&C portion.

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How many times are we going to hear relentless effort while we are sitting in #30th place in recruiting?


When do people sign their LOIs?

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Why didn’t he bring in a grad transfer like Burrow?


Promises to future and current Quarterbacks, who are our future. Emory might not pan out (we'll have to see) for his size and style, but Jalon Jones is a stud Quarterback that would have been pissed off if we brought in a bandaid like we did with McElwain.

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This is just off the top of my head would you like me to keep going?


Yes, because depending on how you answer you're 0 - 8. But maybe you'll give me a good answer to the California question.
Posted by GatorBait24
Pensacola
Member since Jul 2016
6136 posts
Posted on 8/10/18 at 7:16 pm to
“ I don’t like that he uses his QB as a battering ram 15 times a game.”
“Why not? His Quarterback almost had a thousand yards rushing, and we won a championship with a Rushing Quarterback. (Really won two because of him, but we'll say for one.) IF you point to the injury, Tebow had a clean run to a championship, so.”

Because it’s a QB injury waiting to happen, Tebow and Dak are rare. I like keeping my QB’s upright and healthy they aren’t running backs.

“I don’t like the coaching staff he has put together.”
“What coaching staff do you think is better in the SEC? Just for an example, our coaching staff has 22 / 23 years of experience in their respective positions, while UT has only 2 split between their HC, OC and DC. So we'll say behind UGA, Alabama and maybe A&M at this point?”

Experience isn’t everything, he didn’t hire enough coaches that have Florida ties. He brought 4 position coaches that have all glaring weaknesses as recruiters and that’s simply to many on one staff. Sure there may be some really good coaches, but it doesn’t feel or seem like the right mesh to me. Just my opinion though.

“I think demoting Sieder for Knox was a bad decision.”
“Seider decided to go before he was even changed according to insiders.”

Rubbish, I’ve heard very different, all Sieder wanted was to remain RB coach, get a slight bump in pay which he very clearly deserved, and a promise that there was an opportunity to move up in title at some point. CDM told him to take a hike if he didn’t like coaching TE’s. Those are the facts as I know them, do with that what you want.

“The emphasis he put on California in recruiting was borderline mental retardation.”
“The #1 CB in the country in two different agencies calls you and says he wants to visit and has high interest, what do you say?”

I certainly take the phone call and invite him to visit, what I certainly do not do is, ignore Zipperer and spend all my time on Ethan Rae who was clearly using us to make USC give him the go ahead. Or send all my coaches on visits to California when a highly rated DE and FSU recruit is coming on campus to visit leaving only my DC in town. On top of that Pittman was a bust, and we spent entirely to much time evaluating and sending offers to average players over there that we very easily could’ve been spending time on the same caliber player in state. That’s my opinion though.


“What is he doing with the gimmicky workouts and Butch like sayings”
“Building team cohesion. Our team has looked much more united over the past off-season than ever before and they look like they're having fun. They're allowed to have fun if they're making strides in the S&C portion.”

Then keep that shite in house, it look ridiculous to everyone else and it’s not helping the “brand” CDM seems to care so much about.

“How many times are we going to hear relentless effort while we are sitting in #30th place in recruiting?”
“When do people sign their LOIs?”

Sieder is the reason he was able to close so well last year, he isn’t here to bail him out this time. Black won’t qualify, he’s our best recruit. We aren’t leading for a single other top 40 player. How are we going to make up so much ground without an ace recruiter, and being so far behind already? It’s not unrealistic to think we will barely finish in the top 20 and that’s just not acceptable. I understand you think it’s going to be great after we win some games but I simply don’t see that happening and that’s my opinion I’m allowed to have it.

“Why didn’t he bring in a grad transfer like Burrow?”
“Promises to future and current Quarterbacks, who are our future. Emory might not pan out (we'll have to see) for his size and style, but Jalon Jones is a stud Quarterback that would have been pissed off if we brought in a bandaid like we did with McElwain.”

That’s ridiculous he was hired to win games, not protect his players feelings. If he doesn’t have a QB ready go find one that is. Develop Emory along the way. A grad transfer would be gone before Jalon gets here anyway. If Jalon is fine with coming after Emory a grad transfer would have made no difference.

It’s okay to have different opinions Straws we’ll see soon how it will play out.

This post was edited on 8/10/18 at 7:21 pm
Posted by StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Member since Sep 2013
21146 posts
Posted on 8/10/18 at 7:40 pm to
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Because it’s a QB injury waiting to happen, Tebow and Dak are rare. I like keeping my QB’s upright and healthy they aren’t running backs.


Weird how only one of his Quarterbacks have had a season ending injury and it happened in the last year of his last regular season game.

Do you need lessons on statistics?

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Experience isn’t everything, he didn’t hire enough coaches that have Florida ties. He brought 4 position coaches that have all glaring weaknesses as recruiters and that’s simply to many on one staff. Sure there may be some really good coaches, but it doesn’t feel or seem like the right mesh to me. Just my opinion though.


You don't think it's really early? Look, if you're so convinced without seeing a game you're obviously not taking things very objectively or intelligently.

It's not your position that makes it that way, it's that you've made a decision before seeing any results. That alone is objectively stupid.

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Rubbish, I’ve heard very different


So if we've heard different things, why don't you take it with a grain of salt like I do? I heard one thing, you heard other, but you're convinced.

Yet again your cart is in front of your horse.

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I certainly take the phone call and invite him to visit, what I certainly do not do is, ignore Zipperer


Where in the frick are you getting your "facts"? You think we've been ignoring Zipperer? He visited us in late July, man.

I have to stop here because you are clearly talking to the wrong people/not actually following the team activity.

Wuff.

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It’s okay to have different opinions Straws we’ll see soon how it will play out.


Any Gator fan following this conversation will notice just how out of the loop you are.

My whole position is: Let's wait until the end of the year.

Much like a little kid throwing a tantrum, you want your results and you want them now -- without even knowing the circumstances.

Stopped talking to Zipperer lmfao.
Posted by GatorBait24
Pensacola
Member since Jul 2016
6136 posts
Posted on 8/10/18 at 7:49 pm to
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Stopped talking to Zipperer lmfao.

This is all I will respond too because you clearly don’t want to hear what I have too say (which is weird because you did ask me to continue) and I’m tired of wasting my time. I meant while our staff thought they were getting Rea. Zipperer was all Miami then, I know we have since gotten back into things with him, but my point was if we never flirt with Rae he would probably be commited by now. Have a nice night.
This post was edited on 8/10/18 at 7:53 pm
Posted by StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Member since Sep 2013
21146 posts
Posted on 8/10/18 at 7:53 pm to
Bro, Zipperer was in fricking Gainesville for Friday Night Lights.

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This is all I will respond too because you clearly don’t want to hear what I have too say




I'm listening to you, you just don't know what the frick you're talking about.
Posted by GatorBait24
Pensacola
Member since Jul 2016
6136 posts
Posted on 8/10/18 at 7:54 pm to
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I'm listening to you, you just don't know what the frick you're talking about

When did I say he wasn’t at Friday night lights? I clearly said “I know we have since gotten back into it with him. “ It’s fine Straws continue beating your drum you are the only one who knows anything my man.
Posted by StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Member since Sep 2013
21146 posts
Posted on 8/10/18 at 9:04 pm to
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what I certainly do not do is, ignore Zipperer and spend all my time on Ethan Rae


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“I know we have since gotten back into it with him.


Perhaps you should debate with yourself.

Might want to at least go check his 247 profile beforehand, and stop listening to people who have no idea what the program is doing.
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