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Lets Examine The OL Shall We?
Posted on 8/11/19 at 3:04 pm
Posted on 8/11/19 at 3:04 pm
The most talked about "weakness" of the Gators is the OL and I want to dispel that notion.
At worse imo we equal the ability of the 2018 unit. Martez Ivey never lived up to his billing and all you have to do is watch the UK loss to see how inept he was in this game. He was owned by Josh Allen time and again.
Part of this I will attribute to the Mac hangover that, in my eyes caused us to give so much rushing yds and perform poorly. Franks had a bad night and was off target frequently. Some of it was caused by UKs defense in his face and mostly due to the still developing ability to complete accurate passes.
Our entire Ol did not do well and create a run game for us. True, the OL did perform better as the season went on. The ability of last years unit to run block got much better but pass blocking was middle of the road. Quick passes allowed fewer sacks so that is misleading, and a good run game always helps the QB.
The 2019 version has a lot of experience on it, maybe not starts, but in snap counts.
Noah Banks is practicing now and a transfer sr.
Nick Buchanan is a returning starter at center and a sr
Brett Heggie is probably one of most valuable OL and a jr
Stone Forsthye is a jr and is huge at 6'7" 325
Jean Delance is a jr transfer from Texas
Chris Bleich is a r/s frosh along with Richard Gouriage, Kingsley Eguakun, Michael Traquin and all of them may compete for a starter position this year or next.
At worse imo we equal the ability of the 2018 unit. Martez Ivey never lived up to his billing and all you have to do is watch the UK loss to see how inept he was in this game. He was owned by Josh Allen time and again.
Part of this I will attribute to the Mac hangover that, in my eyes caused us to give so much rushing yds and perform poorly. Franks had a bad night and was off target frequently. Some of it was caused by UKs defense in his face and mostly due to the still developing ability to complete accurate passes.
Our entire Ol did not do well and create a run game for us. True, the OL did perform better as the season went on. The ability of last years unit to run block got much better but pass blocking was middle of the road. Quick passes allowed fewer sacks so that is misleading, and a good run game always helps the QB.
The 2019 version has a lot of experience on it, maybe not starts, but in snap counts.
Noah Banks is practicing now and a transfer sr.
Nick Buchanan is a returning starter at center and a sr
Brett Heggie is probably one of most valuable OL and a jr
Stone Forsthye is a jr and is huge at 6'7" 325
Jean Delance is a jr transfer from Texas
Chris Bleich is a r/s frosh along with Richard Gouriage, Kingsley Eguakun, Michael Traquin and all of them may compete for a starter position this year or next.
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Posted on 8/11/19 at 6:43 pm to real_gator8
Didn’t Banks retire just now?
Posted on 8/11/19 at 7:03 pm to Daddyof4
Yes daddy of 4 Banks has announced a medical retirement because of epilepsy.
Posted on 8/11/19 at 7:28 pm to real_gator8
It's not that they aren't talented. It's that they haven't played together enough to gel. New OL's are hard to predict. However, having the center back makes a big difference. You just never know until they start playing games.
Posted on 8/11/19 at 7:57 pm to real_gator8
In 2006, Florida only really had 7 OL that they could rely on. LG Jim Tartt, LT Phil Trautwein; C Steve Rissler; RG Drew Miller; RT Carlton Medder started every game in 2006 except for Vanderbilt where Tartt was hurt. Of those guys, only one of them had started at the same position in 2006 as he did in 2005. They only had two guys on the bench, Justin Watkins and RS Freshman Ronnie Wilson. Mo Hurt was on the team but was maybe the 8th OL and he barely played. Coming into the season, UF only had 17 starts returning on the OL, and no depth.
UF won the national title that year, mostly because they had a really good OL coach (John Hevesy, does that name sound familiar?) and because they only had one starter miss game time because of injury. Just one.
So if UF can stay healthy, with this OL coach, they should be fine.
To contrast, UF has the same OL coach and OC as that 2006 team, and they have 24 starts returning, with one senior, 3 juniors and a RS freshman. The 2006 line had 1 senior, 3 juniors, and a sophomore, and the depth behind them was all freshmen.
So yeah... I'm not worried about the OL right now.
UF won the national title that year, mostly because they had a really good OL coach (John Hevesy, does that name sound familiar?) and because they only had one starter miss game time because of injury. Just one.
So if UF can stay healthy, with this OL coach, they should be fine.
To contrast, UF has the same OL coach and OC as that 2006 team, and they have 24 starts returning, with one senior, 3 juniors and a RS freshman. The 2006 line had 1 senior, 3 juniors, and a sophomore, and the depth behind them was all freshmen.
So yeah... I'm not worried about the OL right now.
This post was edited on 8/11/19 at 8:02 pm
Posted on 8/11/19 at 8:04 pm to Porter Osborne Jr
On the site I go to it was reported by insiders that Banks was practicing just a few day days ago and he is cleared.
Memo to Peter, just remember that although you seem like a decent guy, you are allowed status here and I wouldn't let a single dawg on this site unless Gators have equal access to your board. Maybe one Gator, one dawg, another Gator, another dawg.
Back to your point...actually a lot of those listed have been backups and played together...we wont be weak on the line. How about WRs for jawja? It doesn't matter if they are great athletes...can they separate from elite corners like we have? Doubtful. I predict a rise in the number of sacks Fromm will suffer while looks for open receiver. Tell me Im wrong.
Nothing personal but it isn't fair that Gators aren't allowed (or very very few) on the dawg board and before you ask, yes...I did request access there and of course denied. I am heartbroken
Memo to Peter, just remember that although you seem like a decent guy, you are allowed status here and I wouldn't let a single dawg on this site unless Gators have equal access to your board. Maybe one Gator, one dawg, another Gator, another dawg.
Back to your point...actually a lot of those listed have been backups and played together...we wont be weak on the line. How about WRs for jawja? It doesn't matter if they are great athletes...can they separate from elite corners like we have? Doubtful. I predict a rise in the number of sacks Fromm will suffer while looks for open receiver. Tell me Im wrong.
Nothing personal but it isn't fair that Gators aren't allowed (or very very few) on the dawg board and before you ask, yes...I did request access there and of course denied. I am heartbroken
Posted on 8/11/19 at 8:48 pm to real_gator8
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just remember that although you seem like a decent guy, you are allowed status here and I wouldn't let a single dawg on this site unless Gators have equal access to your board. Maybe one Gator, one dawg, another Gator, another dawg.
Good thing you aren't the admin on here then
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Back to your point...actually a lot of those listed have been backups and played together...we wont be weak on the line.
I hear you but it takes time to gel. There's a feel to it that you have to develop with those around you.
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How about WRs for jawja? It doesn't matter if they are great athletes...can they separate from elite corners like we have? Doubtful. I predict a rise in the number of sacks Fromm will suffer while looks for open receiver. Tell me Im wrong.
No doubt that UF's WRs this year will be better as a unit than UGA's. We've got some talented ones with Simmons and DRob. I'm not worried about them. Then we have some newbies who will have to step up big time. Fromm's favorite passes have always bee the deep out or back shoulder fade. We may give up some more sacks but I don't think it will be significantly more.
Posted on 8/11/19 at 11:19 pm to Porter Osborne Jr
I stand corrected, he was practicing with the team but another mild seizure...wish him the best and football is never important enough to risk serious health issues.
Posted on 8/12/19 at 9:59 am to slayerxing
In 2006, C Steve Rissler was the only returning starter from the 2005 OL.
A lot of similarities between 2006 and 2019 on offense.
I trust in Mullen proven playcalling and Hevesy's ability to develop OL.
A lot of similarities between 2006 and 2019 on offense.
I trust in Mullen proven playcalling and Hevesy's ability to develop OL.
Posted on 8/13/19 at 11:05 am to BloodSweat&Beers
Well the news is out and its something that the coaches don't put out there for the media...Gators now have another behind the scenes recruiter who has a lot of contacts in south Fla...he previously was on Macs staff but that was a disaster...he was swayed from the noles and now is ours. It is believed with our coaching staff and recruiting staff we are now going to see better results.
John Herron, or Hova as he is called, will be scouting talent and contacting parents, but he wont be signing recruits...just setting the table. Willie offered him more money to stay but he is ours.
John Herron, or Hova as he is called, will be scouting talent and contacting parents, but he wont be signing recruits...just setting the table. Willie offered him more money to stay but he is ours.
Posted on 8/13/19 at 11:20 am to real_gator8
I think they will be okay but it will take time to fully gel. Oline is not about individual talent, but a combined effort of guys. So all it takes is one weak link and we are in trouble.
Posted on 8/13/19 at 2:19 pm to Gatorbait2008
I think that's really Chicken Little reasoning, though. Many teams have trouble on the line. It's very hard to maintain a healthy, experienced and cohesive offensive-line.
The point is much more in the direction of: Do we have a coach who can scheme around them when they're not doing as good as they should be?
Remember the Mississippi State game? We killed them with bubble screens and the short pass game, one of Franks' best games considering it was on the road at MSST.
Jet-sweeps, flanker screens, option -- a lot of these things can mitigate a bad offensive line.
People have to forget Muschamp + McElwain standing tall in the pocket offenses, that's not going to be the standard going forward. Franks will not be standing in the pocket all day like he was last year looking for targets.
I'm extremely confident in Mullen's gameplanning and playcalling abilities.
The point is much more in the direction of: Do we have a coach who can scheme around them when they're not doing as good as they should be?
Remember the Mississippi State game? We killed them with bubble screens and the short pass game, one of Franks' best games considering it was on the road at MSST.
Jet-sweeps, flanker screens, option -- a lot of these things can mitigate a bad offensive line.
People have to forget Muschamp + McElwain standing tall in the pocket offenses, that's not going to be the standard going forward. Franks will not be standing in the pocket all day like he was last year looking for targets.
I'm extremely confident in Mullen's gameplanning and playcalling abilities.
Posted on 8/14/19 at 5:22 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Moo State had a killer DL that was for all purposes an NFL squad and the beauty of the short passes to the flanks was we started to wear their defense out and I noticed in the 4th qt they had to sub often.
We are replacing Miss State's DL with AU's this year, but even though AU has a good one...its not quite as good as MSU's.
Mullen will always try to run the ball first and enough passes to "soften em up" and get safetys and LBs to back off some to open the runs.
We are replacing Miss State's DL with AU's this year, but even though AU has a good one...its not quite as good as MSU's.
Mullen will always try to run the ball first and enough passes to "soften em up" and get safetys and LBs to back off some to open the runs.
Posted on 8/14/19 at 7:34 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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Remember the Mississippi State game? We killed them with bubble screens and the short pass game, one of Franks' best games considering it was on the road at MSST.
Jet-sweeps, flanker screens, option -- a lot of these things can mitigate a bad offensive line.
That's solid coaching and what I expect to see a lot of early in the year from UF.
Posted on 8/14/19 at 11:55 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
I agree that despite the score, the Miss State game was actually brilliantly called.
Still. Run game is dependent on the Oline getting a push. If we have to scheme around the Oline all year, that will cost us games. You can't do it every game and win the SEC. I honestly think it will be a decent Oline, and certainly better than it was in 2017.
But the key question is on that big 3rd and 2...can they get that push? That we don't know yet.
Still. Run game is dependent on the Oline getting a push. If we have to scheme around the Oline all year, that will cost us games. You can't do it every game and win the SEC. I honestly think it will be a decent Oline, and certainly better than it was in 2017.
But the key question is on that big 3rd and 2...can they get that push? That we don't know yet.
Posted on 8/14/19 at 10:26 pm to Gatorbait2008
Delance is rumored to be hurt and missing the Miami game. Exactly the kind of thing UF doesn’t want this year. Gouriage to play lt and Forsythe sliding over was the word at gc.
Posted on 8/14/19 at 11:01 pm to slayerxing
Yea not good. Their DEs are very good. Gouriage should be okay but its def not something we needed.
Posted on 8/15/19 at 9:38 am to slayerxing
Thigh bruise for Delance and he should be fine going forward. Questionable for Miami but fine after that.
Posted on 8/15/19 at 9:50 am to atlgator
As weak as it sounds those actually severely hurt if you put a lot of weight on them. Luckily they heal quick. Have had them before.
Posted on 8/15/19 at 10:27 am to Gatorbait2008
9 days until the game then 2 weeks off until the next game. Gotta dig deep and protect “your” job if you are Delance.
Gouraige gets in there and performs and Delance may never get that opportunity back
Gouraige gets in there and performs and Delance may never get that opportunity back
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