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Posted on 10/26/17 at 9:33 am to Gatorbait2008
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Set it back four years? God...you can't be that dumb. The right hire has it right by year two.
That time frame is more the exception than the norm. Year 2 will probably be the amount of time the Negagators give a new coach to win a NC, if history is any indicator.
This post was edited on 10/26/17 at 9:35 am
Posted on 10/26/17 at 9:43 am to dbuchanon
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Kiffin generated further controversy when he told wide receiver recruit Alshon Jeffery that if Jeffery chose the Gamecocks, "he would end up pumping gas for the rest of his life like all the other players from that state who had gone to South Carolina."
that actually sounds like something spurrier would say.
Posted on 10/26/17 at 10:39 am to UFMatt
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there is a chance that he may leave on his own due to the negativity surrounding the program right now and this will set the program back another 4 years,
Mac is taking a beating right now in the press, not the fans. These are self-induced wounds. To make matters even worse, he has now soured his relationship with two different AD's in a span of 3 years.
Posted on 10/26/17 at 11:25 am to UFMatt
Why do you Mac supporters make up reasons for why we want him fired and our expectations? Show me where any gator fan on this board said the new coach should be fired if he doesn’t win a championship in 2 years? We want to see the offense improve. That will improve everything else . We may just need to have a different play caller on offense. One that will call plays to his players strengths.
Posted on 10/26/17 at 12:21 pm to tjv305
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Why do you Mac supporters
First off, I am not a Mac supporter, I am a Gator football fan that supports the overall program.
Any coach, (insert name) that inherited the shite show that Muschump left should be given 4 years to change the path of the program before passing judgement. If we are not better at the end of 2018, I will support a coaching change. We can't be know as a school that lets fans bully the university into coaching changes too early based on unrealistic expectations or we will struggle to get good coaches in the future. We are already close to that point in public perception.
Posted on 10/26/17 at 12:55 pm to UFMatt
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Any coach, (insert name) that inherited the shite show that Muschump left should be given 4 years to change the path of the program before passing judgement.
typically, i would agree with you. but seeing as to how his tenure has gone so far leads me to believe that 2018 will also be a waste of time. unless we're supposed to sky rocket into domination, which i doubt we will, 2018 will be just another disappointment losing games 17-16, 19-17 and the like.
Posted on 10/26/17 at 1:17 pm to finchmeister08
At the very least he won't have the quarterback excuse. I'd say that Corral is more ready than Franks just by his willingness to show up early but his admittance that the mental aspect of College football is faster. He's said multiple times ''I have to be smarter, keep watching film'' -- really exciting things that you want to hear from your next big QB. Acknowledgment of the speed difference, diligence to study the game at a fundamental level.
This next year I fully expect to see Trask, too. I just don't think Franks has the mental fortitude nor football IQ for this level right now. Much like Florida isn't a place to ''learn the job as you go'', nor is college football for a QB, especially in the SEC where, technically, we still play defense.
This next year I fully expect to see Trask, too. I just don't think Franks has the mental fortitude nor football IQ for this level right now. Much like Florida isn't a place to ''learn the job as you go'', nor is college football for a QB, especially in the SEC where, technically, we still play defense.
Posted on 10/26/17 at 1:27 pm to UFMatt
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bully the university into coaching changes
Bully the university into a decision? Mac has now soured his relationship with 2 different AD's in a span of 3 years. The fans didn't bully Foley into getting rid of Muschamp and they won't bully Stricklin into getting rid of Mac, if he does it will be because he has zero confidence in Mac's ability to run of program of this size.
Posted on 10/26/17 at 2:20 pm to UFMatt
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Any coach, (insert name) that inherited the shite show that Muschump left should be given 4 years to change the path of the program before passing judgement.
I would agree if the offense had shown some improvement over his 2.5 years . Now he is talking about death threats which seems to be made up . I don’t understand the idea of keeping him for a 4th year with no improvement on offense. If we just improve to a average SEC offense next year which should be easy with the talent and experience returning , we would likely be 8-4/9-3 . Then do you fire him for having a average offense and 8-4/9-3 record in his 4th season? You guys are saying we want to run off coaches and we are not giving him a enough time but it will be tough to fire him next . And if he is 8-4 or worse next year then we wasted our best chance to be good on a coach we know is likely to be fired . The only reason to keep Mac is if you keep the entire staff to wait another year or 2 to get a coach because non of the ones available want the job. I have a hard time believing that we can’t get a better coach this year.
Posted on 10/26/17 at 2:26 pm to tjv305
I agree with most of what you said, But IMO, if we don't improve next year and we make a change at the end of 2018, we will in the eyes of potential coaches appear to be school that gives you an appropriate amount of time to turn the program around before dropping the axe. Sure we will lose another year, but in the long run, again IMO, we will be better off and hopefully land that top tier coach that we all want to have at UF. Or heaven forbid Mac proves to be the right guy. Go Gators!
Posted on 10/26/17 at 2:32 pm to bgator85
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Bully the university into a decision?
Guys, IMO there is 1% chance out of 100 that Mac gets fired this year. It's not going to happen. Now he may leave on his own, i could see this happen if we beat UG and FSU and he flips some Gator fans the bird on the way out, but he isn't getting fired. I would bet a life ban from this Gator board on that, not going to happen.
Posted on 10/26/17 at 5:16 pm to UFMatt
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Guys, IMO there is 1% chance out of 100 that Mac gets fired this year. It's not going to happen. Now he may leave on his own, i could see this happen if we beat UG and FSU and he flips some Gator fans the bird on the way out, but he isn't getting fired. I would bet a life ban from this Gator board on that, not going to happen
A week ago I was convinced the only thing that would happen is Mac would have to change coaches and I was more than OK with it. Now? I think there is a decent chance he won't be at UF next year. You can't have friction with your bosses in the middle of a massive fundraising campaign, just don't see it ending well.
Posted on 10/26/17 at 5:24 pm to bgator85
Before i had 70/30 Mac keeps his job no matter what.
Now
50/50 if we lose half the remaining games and keeps the class together
0 percent if we lose games big and class starts to fall apart
Now
50/50 if we lose half the remaining games and keeps the class together
0 percent if we lose games big and class starts to fall apart
Posted on 10/26/17 at 5:34 pm to UFMatt
So your saying that no coach is worth firing Mac for after this year ? I think we could get a good coach this year and not have to wait a 2 years. I don’t think even Mac could screw up next year enough to get fired so we would waste 2 years just to show coaches that we will give them plenty of time to turn things around . I think that keeping Mac is worse for our future then firing him after this year . He has shown that he is not good enough to fix the offense and keeping him and hoping anew IC can fix the offense for him is a horrible idea.
Posted on 10/26/17 at 6:18 pm to Vols&Shaft83
I just learned today that Mike Whites (UF's basketball coach) brother is the AD at UCF. Now that is interesting.
Posted on 10/26/17 at 6:33 pm to UFMatt
No you're a Mac supporter. You don't care about The program.
Posted on 10/26/17 at 6:36 pm to olemc999
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I just learned today that Mike Whites (UF's basketball coach) brother is the AD at UCF. Now that is interesting.
Posted on 10/26/17 at 6:36 pm to UFMatt
Wrong. You strike while you have the chance. Scott Frost is that chance. Mac is a waste of time and $
Posted on 10/26/17 at 6:58 pm to UFMatt
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That time frame is more the exception than the norm. Year 2 will probably be the amount of time the Negagators give a new coach to win a NC, if history is any indicator.
Year two is a show year at a major University. Outside of Clemson, who still won the ACC mind you, coaches have shown an amazing jump between years one and two. Good coaches that is.
Nick Saban - LSU - 4 years for title
Pete Carroll - 2 years for title
Bob Stoops - 2 years for title
Mack Brown - 7 years(outlier)
Les Miles - 3rd year
Jimbo Fisher - 4th year
Dabo - 6th year(weakest program to win a title in 20 years)
Gene Chizik - 2nd year
Urban Meyer - 2nd year at both Florida and Ohio State
Nick Saban - 3rd year at Bama
The results kind of speak for themselves. Dabo and Brown took the longest. Dabo built a mid tier program and made it elite. Florida is elite. They don't need six years.
With Davis, Toney, Cleveland, Wilson, etc. A lot of young talent and a lot of returning starters.
A new coach could come here, and win quickly. It's a lot like what Zook left Meyer, except not as many blue chips.
So saying it sets us back five years is absolutely absurd.
If we hire the right coach, meaning an elite coach. It will take him a year to get his system in place, handle transfers, adjust the roster a bit and get his own class in like Meyer. Year two should be special. Would still have Franks, Davis, Matt possibly pending keeping him, Toney, and two likely first round corners as well.
Should not be an issue winning quickly at UF. Mack leaving would not harm this University that much. Add in him leaving means we don't pay his buyout. Which means we actually GET the money back. So that is actually the single best thing that can happen. He leaves, we make a paycheck for the next coach, and cna put a ton of money in the next hire. The UAA had a substantial budget increase. The amount we can pay a coach could easily be the highest in the nation if we choose(which we won't).
So no. It would not set us back, unless we make a bad hire.
I don't see the UAA letting Strickland take a risk this time around after the last two hires. I expect a proven coach, or one that is too good to pass up(Frost).
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