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finchmeister08
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Member since Mar 2011
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I have a gut feeling Grantham returns next season...


dbuchanon
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Member since Nov 2014
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re: I have a gut feeling Grantham returns next season...
Same here. Gonna be hard to watch.


reel_gator8
Florida Fan
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Member since May 2012
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re: I have a gut feeling Grantham returns next season...
I wont be surprised if he is our DC next season...but it pains me that we have trouble with hurry up offenses and cant have signals called. We will have to be patient with the next incoming class....as they will need to be slowly added to the mix. True frosh can cost us....just look at what happen after Trey Dean got injured...TreVez Johnson was put in and cost us six. He will be a good player for it because of the experience...but true frosh need to be really elite to play many snaps.

I think we will need one more class and then can use the bench as the motivator. Thats why Bama is so good...the players know there is someone behind them ready to play.

What will happen, as in every year...the coaches will all sit in a room and evaluate the year...what was right and what was wrong. Last night our defense got 2 stops right at the start of the second half....and of course our offense sliced up Bama. Im sure there was a come to Jesus meeting during halftime. The offense and defense both played better. We missed Shawn Davis a lot the past 2 games.


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Jorts 'R Us
Member since Aug 2013
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re: I have a gut feeling Grantham returns next season...
I sure hope not. If this was even an average defense it changes the complexion of this season.


StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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Member since Sep 2013
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re: I have a gut feeling Grantham returns next season...
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I sure hope not. If this was even an average defense it changes the complexion of this season.


We scored 38, 34 and 46 points and still lost to three teams.



I'll also tell you guys what's going to happen: We'll do well with our bowl game, shut down the opposing team, and Mullen will say: "Well look at the last six games of the season...we didn't give up 20 points for three straight games, had a bad game vs. LSU and faced the #1 offense in the country, he just needs one more year..."

The thing is: If Grantham has the talent we know he can run the defense, but he's basically hoping the other team can't execute, and that's just not what we need.

We need sort of a Mullen on defense. A guy who no matter what type of pieces are available can get the job done. A guy who loves the Power Spread but can change to the Air Raid on a dime.

We need someone who will do the same on defense.


reel_gator8
Florida Fan
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Member since May 2012
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re: I have a gut feeling Grantham returns next season...
Straws please tell us who that DC is? Of course we have had issues on defense...but listen to Murf on Top Billin and he says that everyone has had issues on defense year. What separated us from Bama was a good run game and a helluva OL....and it didnt hurt that the refs made it 12 vs 11....just look at Jones throwing the ball into the ground because he was being sacked..if it had been Trask? I saw many times Gator jerseys grabbed by Bamas OL. It would be nice if the field was level.

In this age of air raids no team is safe. Thats why UT sucked...no elite wrs, no elite qb. Look at how Ole Miss got so many yds against Bama earlier in the season...and they dont have a defense! UGA had issues with Bama and us because of mediocre qb play and lack of elite wrs...now that JT Daniels is the qb..they have been throwing and use the run game less. All teams will now start to change their offenses to compete if they dont have an air raid offense.

We now face OU in the Cotton Bowl and I would have preferred Sugar or Orange for recruiting.
This post was edited on 12/20 at 2:37 pm


StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Florida Fan
Member since Sep 2013
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re: I have a gut feeling Grantham returns next season...
We gave up 35 points in one half.

The conversation ends there.

If you want a more damning statistic:

This season's defense is officially worse than the defense in 2017, the year that McElwain was fired.

Let it ferment a bit in your mind. Randy Shannon and Jim McElwain had a better defensive showing than Grantham this year. In a year when the team completely gave up.


reel_gator8
Florida Fan
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Member since May 2012
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re: I have a gut feeling Grantham returns next season...
Mac didnt face any air raids like this year either. You still havent told us WHO the hell can be our next DC? We all wanna win...but you know me Straws...I defend coaches to an extent. What you and I think doesnt matter....what does Mullen think?

BTW did you see Saban chewing his DC a new arse on the sideline?


StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Florida Fan
Member since Sep 2013
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re: I have a gut feeling Grantham returns next season...
This is among your worst arguments by far.

We gave up over 74+ plays 6 of the 11 games this year.

South Carolina, Ole Miss, A&M, LSU (starting a true freshman in his first game as a starter all year), Alabama and Tennessee.

That's dogshit, my man.

The worst part is that we had an offense that could hold the ball, get first downs and score. So this pitiful showing is even with the offense acting as a gigantic crutch and taking the pressure off of them all season.

Grantham's never going to kiss you, no matter how much you cape for him.


reel_gator8
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re: I have a gut feeling Grantham returns next season...
Again...name the DC?


StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Florida Fan
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re: I have a gut feeling Grantham returns next season...
I would rather take a chance on an up and comer than have this blowhard come back with younger players next year.

The only reason we stopped teams this season is because of dropped passes. I would rather give Robinson a chance to make a name for himself than watch Grantham mail it in another season.


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dbuchanon
Mississippi St. Fan
Member since Nov 2014
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re: I have a gut feeling Grantham returns next season...
Everyone I see just throws out the same ol rejects. Give me a fresh name who’s done more with less that’s energetic like State did with Arnett.


StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Florida Fan
Member since Sep 2013
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re: I have a gut feeling Grantham returns next season...
Using a coach's past to justify his present isn't solid reasoning. Kirby would be a National Championship tier coach if we just went off of 2017. Instead, he's second in the East after getting blown out by a team he can never beat and his rival with less talent.

Grantham is not there mentally these days, call it being old or washed up, whatever you want. His defense has given up more points per game than McElwain's did when he got fired around mid-season.

That's terrible.


dbuchanon
Mississippi St. Fan
Member since Nov 2014
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re: I have a gut feeling Grantham returns next season...
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Using a coach's past to justify his present isn't solid reasoning.


It’s this thinking that got us Todd G


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LuciusSulla
Florida Fan
Oxford, MS
Member since Nov 2010
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re: I have a gut feeling Grantham returns next season...
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Again...name the DC?



The real answer here is the whole reason we have the athletics administrators that we do is so we don't have to do that. A fan doesn't need to have a name in the hat to recognize that having the #62 defense overall and #7 in the SEC is a problem. A fan doesn't need to have a name in the hat to see all the same problems still being there after three years. A fan doesn't need to have a name in the hat to have noticed our defense was regularly completely lost this season.

Your logic is that if we can't name a solution this instant then we shouldn't bother even bringing it up. However, that's not our fricking job as alumni. You see, we pay people like ADs and Coaches millions of dollars a year based on the fact that we know we don't have the time or expertise to thoroughly vet every coaching candidate who may be out there even in an instance where everyone and their brother can see there's a fricking problem with the current guy.

So, honestly Reel, I'm glad you aren't dead because I actually worried the COVID got you, but that is just a plain stupid fricking retort.

But since you made it, sure, how about:

Let's start with every D1 DC whose players can at least line up and get set when the opposing offense decides to go hurry-up. The "modern offense" excuse is one thing, but it doesn't make up for constantly having a defense that seems lost and confused pre-snap.

As far as passing offenses killing us -

Najee Harris rushed for 178 yards and two touchdowns with his long being 29 yards.

Isaiah Spiller rushed for 174 yards and two touchdowns with his long being 24 yard in the aTm game.

And on that note, every fricking high powered passing offense is not an "Air Raid" offense. The spread has been in the SEC for decades now, but there is a reason there was all the discussion about Leach "bringing" the Air Raid to the SEC.

Pretty sure LSU is still running a pro spread, and Mullen still digs the smashmouth spread. None of these offenses are Air Raids simply because they are producing a lot in the pass game any more so than Spurrier's were.

Just because it's up tempo with some passing doesn't mean it's a fricking Air Raid. That's a specific version of a spread offense, and we didn't play anyone that runs it this year. Though I'm sure MSU would have hung 30+ on us too.

LINK

This post was edited on 12/21 at 2:04 pm


AlbinoGator
Member since Oct 2016
963 posts

re: I have a gut feeling Grantham returns next season...
Unfortunately I have a feeling he will be back.

Hopefully all those young D-Lineman that red shirted will be ready in 2021. As much as I am not a fan if he stays ill do my best to support him just not sure how long that support will last.

One thing is for sure at least Wilson & Stiner won't be in the defense backfield next year


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dbuchanon
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Member since Nov 2014
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re: I have a gut feeling Grantham returns next season...
Per Hal Mumme, the Air Raid is based on 3 offenses.
The West Coast Offense. Hal would go to clinics put on by Bill Walsh every year
The BYU Offense. While he coached at UTEP, Hal would study Lavell Edwards offense as much as he could since he had access to all their film being in the same conf. He once beat them by running their own plays against them, which gained him an invite to their facility to talk ball.
The Run and Shoot. Hal met Mouse while Mouse was on the road recruiting, pretty much locked him in a room with him and talked ball for 8 hours. His staff was also one of the few who didn’t walk out of Mouse’s clinic when passing was seen as “too risky” by other HCs.

Hal and Mike came up with the Tempo part of the offense while on a recruiting trip to a Florida. Watching a practice run their 2 min offense or “bandit drill” it occurred to Hal that that was the final piece of the puzzle to make his offense what it is today.

Hal will tell anyone that he didn’t create anything, he just packaged plays that put strains on defenses and repped the hell out of em.


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dbuchanon
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Member since Nov 2014
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re: I have a gut feeling Grantham returns next season...
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we didn't play anyone that runs it this year. Though I'm sure MSU would have hung 30+ on us too.


Unless we could get pressure, Rogers would Mesh and Fade our secondary to death


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gatorsimz
Florida Fan
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re: I have a gut feeling Grantham returns next season...
We will never be a championship caliber team with Grantham as DC. I've never seen so many WRs running wide open (at least not since that garbage 07 D). Fortunately most of the QBs we played sucked and couldn't hit the broad side of a barn.


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