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Game 6: 3-2 LSU @ #18 4-1 Florida - Noon - ESPN

Posted on 10/3/16 at 12:05 pm
Posted by slayerxing
Gainesville
Member since Feb 2010
11045 posts
Posted on 10/3/16 at 12:05 pm
Ok here's the situation:

Mac just spoke - Sherit and Ivie are definitely out on the DL. Brantley is hurt but may play, and Cox is the only one that is more certain to play. So LSU will be facing UF's 2nd and 3rd string DL on Saturday.

You are probably looking at a starting line up of Cox, Bryan, Clark, and Zuniga, with Davis, CeCe, Polite, Clayton, and now even Ancrum getting in on the action.

Needless to say, this will probably be the smallest SEC DL that LSU faces this year.

Anzalone is also a little dinged up in his hand but will play and Daniel Mcmillan is back, FWIW.

On offense, Del Rio is still a mystery, Tyler Jordan is back on the OL (thank god) and their are rumblings that Ivey will move to tackle, Jordan to LG, and Sharpe won't play - but obviously we don't know that for sure right now.

The rest of the offense seems pretty healthy, although Brandon Powell and Antonio Callaway aren't 100% - but who is in mid season.

LSU is looking mostly healthy, and Fournette is expected to play, but even if he doesn't LSU has a number of good backs.

LSU has only given up 3 yards per carry this year against some pretty good running teams. They have only given up 2 rushing TD all year. Given how UF's OL has played, it's pretty fair to expect that UF is not going to run the ball well enough to beat LSU. Their pass defense has been good, but not great. They've given up 3 TD to 4 INT, and about 56% completions. Most of it has been short stuff. The big issue for Florida though, is that their DL has been great in pass rush. Arden Key, Davon Godchaux, and Lewis Neal have combined for 12.5 sacks and 14 TFL already. So when UF does try to win the game by passing, they will be facing a relentless pass rush.

Finally, they have really good 3rd down conversion defense, and only allowed 25% conversions against Power 5 teams this year.

So let's just be real - Florida is realistically not going to be able to run the ball consistently. They will have to beat LSU passing, which is going to be a challenge with this OL vs. the LSU DL. I would also not be surprised, given LSU's play on 3rd down, if UF reasonably has 3 or 4 three-and-outs on Saturday. That might even be conservative.

LSU's offense, on the other hand, has averaged over 6 yards per carry on the ground this year against some good defenses. Their weakness has been their passing game and an ability to finish drives, but the fact is, they WILL run the ball, and with UF's offense certainly in for a struggle, the defense is going to be tired, especially with a noon kick off in the Florida heat.

IMO - Florida's only chance to win is to play bend, but don't break, defense, holding LSU to multiple FGs. Hopefully this will frustrate LSU and they will take some chances in the air that UF can turn into interceptions. It'll be tough though, because despite the fact that LSU is mediocre at QB, they have fantastic WR, and UF was torched by the only other decent unit they have faced this year.

UF does have advantages in the kicking game, where townsend is about 10 yards better on average per kick, and where Eddy has more range. UF also has the advantage on kick off. So far, LSU is far more dangerous in the PR game, so UF has to be on their game there. UF ABSOLUTELY must win the special teams and field position battle if they want to have any chance of winning. This is a fricking MUST HAVE this week.

At the end of the day, LSU is just a better team right now, with less key injuries. I would be surprised if they run for less than 250 yards on Saturday, as they wear Florida down and pull away late.

Add your thoughts here!


This post was edited on 10/3/16 at 12:08 pm
Posted by gatorsimz
cafe risque
Member since Feb 2009
8135 posts
Posted on 10/3/16 at 12:47 pm to
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Sherit and Ivie are definitely out on the DL. Brantley is hurt but may play, and Cox is the only one that is more certain to play. So LSU will be facing UF's 2nd and 3rd string DL on Saturday.

Not good. Sherit was playing at a high level, we really missed him against Vandy. I really hope LSU tries to spread it out against us, because all they need to do to win is line up and run it down our throats.

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Anzalone is also a little dinged up in his hand but will play and Daniel Mcmillan is back

Anzalone needs to step up his run support, he really struggled against Vandy.

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Tyler Jordan is back on the OL (thank god) and their are rumblings that Ivey will move to tackle, Jordan to LG, and Sharpe won't play - but obviously we don't know that for sure right now.


Sharpe has been abused all year. I'd like to see Ivey and Taylor at tackle.

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At the end of the day, LSU is just a better team right now, with less key injuries. I would be surprised if they run for less than 250 yards on Saturday, as they wear Florida down and pull away late.


We lose unless we force some key turnovers.

And please, just wear the orange helmets, blue tops, white pants.
Posted by finchmeister08
Member since Mar 2011
35589 posts
Posted on 10/3/16 at 2:08 pm to
so, the tl:dr summary is that we lose? got it.
Posted by StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Member since Sep 2013
21146 posts
Posted on 10/3/16 at 2:17 pm to
It's not a good look, because coach O seems to have given them new life, too.

Hopefully the early game, accompanied by the away factor can make them sluggish as we were.

If only Coach Mac hadn't hurt his players so much.
Posted by atlgator
Jacksonville, Atlanta, Gainesville
Member since Aug 2014
5520 posts
Posted on 10/3/16 at 2:28 pm to
quote:

summary is that we lose? got it.





It must be so miserable to be you

Posted by finchmeister08
Member since Mar 2011
35589 posts
Posted on 10/3/16 at 2:43 pm to
believe me, i read every line of that post. and my conclusion is that we lose this saturday. who knows though. my trip to the swamp may result in a tim tebow autograph if he's still part of the SEC Nation crowd. so i have a chance to have a somewhat decent experience this year.
Posted by slayerxing
Gainesville
Member since Feb 2010
11045 posts
Posted on 10/3/16 at 2:59 pm to
I posted these stats on gc. Thought I'd share.

LSU has held Power 5 opponents to 2.9 yards per carry this year. They have held all of their opponents well below their season averages in this statistic and have only given up 2 rushing TD this year.

Florida will have, based on rushing YPC, the weakest P5 running game that LSU will have faced to date. It will take a monumental effort from Florida to run the ball this weekend. Overall, LSU's opponents have been about 1-1.5 YPC below their season average when playing them, so with UF averaging 4.28 an attempt right now you can imagine that statistically you could predict UF to go for about 2.7-3.3 YPC on Saturday, which probably isn't going to get the job done without help from the passing game.

Conversely, LSU is averaging 6.19 YPC against P5 teams this year. That has been somewhat inflated by the recent destruction of Missouri, but even before that they were doing well on the ground, which shouldn't surprise anyone. On average, they are running at a clip of about 2-3 YPC on average better than their opposition's defensive average for the year.

So based on that, UF is currently giving up 2.5 YPC, LSU could reasonably be expected to run for 4.5-5.5 YPC. UF needs to find a way to keep that number as close to 4.5 as possible. Wisconsin held LSU to 4.34 YPC (about 1.5 worse than Wisconsin's 2.81 season average without the LSU game) and were able to win a low scoring game 16-14. Auburn held them to 4.96 and won a thriller.

Posted by TJGator1215
FL/TN
Member since Sep 2011
14174 posts
Posted on 10/3/16 at 3:27 pm to
We wouldn't be in the DT mess if he recruited more than 1 DT last year.
Posted by TJGator1215
FL/TN
Member since Sep 2011
14174 posts
Posted on 10/3/16 at 3:30 pm to
LSU will run for 300 yards Saturday. They'll make craters for their RBs and we won't wrap up. I'll expect more excuses from Reel, Straws, and ATL.But but we were hurt!!! LSU is gonna ruin our big recruiting weekend.
Posted by TJGator1215
FL/TN
Member since Sep 2011
14174 posts
Posted on 10/3/16 at 4:03 pm to
Interesting stat. If we lose Saturday, mac will have the same record as muschamp through his first 20 games, 14-6. Also, mac has had 5 games with 14 points or less so far. Muschamp had 8 total in his 4 years here.
:boom:
Posted by reel_gator8
Seminole,Fl
Member since May 2012
11060 posts
Posted on 10/3/16 at 4:03 pm to
quote:

LSU's opponents have been about 1-1.5 YPC below their season average when playin


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imagine that statistically you could predict UF to go for about 2.7-3.3 YPC on Saturday
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So based on that, UF is currently giving up 2.5 YPC, LSU could reasonably be expected to run for 4.5-5.5 YPC. UF needs to find a way to keep that number as close to 4.5 as possible. Wisconsin held LSU to 4.34 YPC (about 1.5 worse than Wisconsin's 2.81 season average without the LSU game) and were able to win a low scoring game 16-14. Auburn held them to 4.96 and won a thriller.


Slayer, did you major in math? Hope not...$$ wasted. I like the twisting of figures to suit your belief that we are probably doomed. WTF? We are # 1 in the SEC in total defense...and that includes UT...but lets overlook that. We are finally playing at home and I imagine the film room was used to vent some frustrations by our offensive coaches especially.

I could be totally wrong but dont think I am. Think we smashy them in the mouth and give the Swammp something to cheer about early.

The Swamp will be our biggest ally and hard to overlook that...just as AU & Wisconsin had home fields....and before anyone says anything...Green Bay is located in Wisconsin last I checked.

WTF are we scared of? The big bad tigahs are coming to town? Screw that....all we need is some first downs and take care of the ball. Defense can handle a lot if we arent a 3 and out machine and at home we shouldnt be...relax. Gators 20 Kittens 13
Posted by slayerxing
Gainesville
Member since Feb 2010
11045 posts
Posted on 10/3/16 at 5:26 pm to
Hey I hope you are right. I just looked at the stats. relative to their season averages everyone gets run on more than normal by LSU. Key is to make them beat you in the air. Hopefully the crowd shows up. I'll be there to help if I can lol.
Posted by StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Member since Sep 2013
21146 posts
Posted on 10/3/16 at 5:27 pm to
quote:

Interesting stat. If we lose Saturday, mac will have the same record as muschamp through his first 20 games, 14-6. Also, mac has had 5 games with 14 points or less so far. Muschamp had 8 total in his 4 years here.
:boom:


Even more interesting stat: Mac has the same amount of wins through five games that Muschamp had through 12.

:Boom:
Posted by montanagator
Member since Jun 2015
16957 posts
Posted on 10/3/16 at 8:09 pm to
This is a crazy idea but maybe we let CeCe be CeCe and quit making a guy with All American talent at DE into a back up DT. Now I realize we're light at DT due to Mac being a below average recruiter but turning one of his best recruits into a backup after a promising freshman year at the position he was recruited to play seems moronic and short sighted.
This post was edited on 10/3/16 at 8:10 pm
Posted by TJGator1215
FL/TN
Member since Sep 2011
14174 posts
Posted on 10/3/16 at 8:13 pm to
Exactly. It's wasting ceces talent and time here
Posted by gatorbait_007
Clemson, SC
Member since Oct 2013
924 posts
Posted on 10/4/16 at 12:21 am to
Good write up Slayer.

quote:

We are # 1 in the SEC in total defense...and that includes UT...but lets overlook that.


We have played UMass, North Texas, Vandy and Kentucky we have the #1 defense in the SEC because we haven't played anyone with a pulse yet besides Tennessee. We will know who our defense is over the next 4 games.

LSU is a completely different team right now. Their secondary decided to show up last week and shut down Lock who is 8th nationally in passing yards and 6th in TD's with a ratio of 14/4 TD/Int leading the SEC in all those categories. They are still only giving up about 15 ppg.

Slayers stat's even if you think they are twisted show that LSU has won in the trenches. If you don't remember last year we had a better defense especially on the line and we still gave up 35. We let Brandon Harris look like a QB for once and our secondary got burned by Dupre. With our dinged up DL and the way our OL has played it is going to be a tough game.

We will need great OL play and great DL and LB play to win this game. We cant give up a 28pt quarter like we did last year. It would suck the life out of the stadium especially with it being a noon game and the fans not being properly lubed by their beverage of choice yet.

If the fans are in it and if our team decides to show up and play that Ole Miss game from last year we can win. If we show up and go through the motions we lose.

My prediction:
24-17 LSU if our offense cant get going and the D stays on the field.
24-21 UF if we can sustain drives and our DL stays healthy.
Posted by TJGator1215
FL/TN
Member since Sep 2011
14174 posts
Posted on 10/4/16 at 1:28 am to
Depth Chart for LSU:
This post was edited on 10/4/16 at 2:05 am
Posted by slayerxing
Gainesville
Member since Feb 2010
11045 posts
Posted on 10/4/16 at 6:08 am to
Also for the record my stats are great.

I looked at each of LSU's P5 opponents average rushing against everyone on their schedule except LSU and then compared that stat to their game against LSU.

I did that on offense and defense.

So when you look at the stats, on the average, LSU rushes for about 2-3 YPC better that a team's season average would suggest. So UF allows 2.5 YPC right now, LSU may average 4.5-5.5 using simple stats as a predictor.

It's not rocket science, it was just for fun, but they have been consistent in this regard.

The stats aren't twisted. But I only looked at one variable so it might not tell the whole story.
Posted by montanagator
Member since Jun 2015
16957 posts
Posted on 10/5/16 at 5:10 pm to
Before anyone again doubts that the Swamp still has power-- go read the bitch threads LSU is filibustering the Rant with its 1/9/12 again for the coonasses. I can only assume Katrina PTSD is bad.

(Seriously though stay safe y'all-- pulling out of West Palm tonight)


Also, it annoyed me on Saturday when people talked shite about how the defense was doing-- they gave up 6 points, they got run on a bit but the defense won that game, that it was close late is in no way on them-- hell after the offense failed for the umpteenth time, the defense saved the team again. I swear it's like we're the Dungy Bucs- hold a team to 6-14 points but get the blame because the expectation level is so much higher.
This post was edited on 10/5/16 at 5:13 pm
Posted by reel_gator8
Seminole,Fl
Member since May 2012
11060 posts
Posted on 10/5/16 at 7:16 pm to
Thats the spirit Montana....we are going rock those gold and purple shits on their azzs.
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