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Ya'll are over analyzing things
Posted on 9/11/16 at 11:27 am
Posted on 9/11/16 at 11:27 am
We have a shitty QB, shitty QB's lead to shitty offenses. We also have a first year coach still installing the offense. Yes we looked like shite, but don't give up on the coaches just yet. Once we actually get a competent QB (whenver that might be). Things will look up. This is a 4 year rebuilding process. Spurrier spoiled us all. Look at Arky, they were shite and had like a 20 SEC losing streak under Bielema and look how he turned it around in what is now year 4 for him.
Posted on 9/11/16 at 11:36 am to Gcockboi
pls stfu
no one is giving up on the coaches and we are all aware of our problems
and don't compare us to Arkansas
thanks
no one is giving up on the coaches and we are all aware of our problems
and don't compare us to Arkansas
thanks
Posted on 9/11/16 at 11:37 am to Gcockboi
This team has more issues than shitty QBs
Posted on 9/11/16 at 12:12 pm to Cockopotamus
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This team has more issues than shitty QBs
This.
I will say that I have probably been Orth's biggest defender on here. He can throw a pretty pass with touch at times but then the bad Orth shows up. He is a terrible option to run our offense's read option part because he will never keep the ball and run it when the read is there to keep it and run it. His time as a starter has come to an end imho after watching last night. Granted our Oline is way more inept than he is but he can't adjust to whats going on and so it's time for us to stick Bmac in and take our lumps with "freshman" mistakes because he runs the offense more fluidly even with his mistakes.
We are terribly thin all across the board depth-wise but no where near the thinness of our Oline. They are horrible. We have good receivers and our offense is struggling to get them the ball and we have no backup for AJ Turner.
While the defense is improved they can not overcome our inept offense and they will be well conditioned this year because they will be playing A LOT in every game.
We were prison raped by msu last night and a freshman QB. I can deal with getting beat but the effort that was shown in the vandy game did not show up constantly last night, it was here or there or not at all. Playing young guys will do that but hopefully it becomes a very good reality check for a team that was riding high from the vandy win. That is exactly what slacking up looks like and the coaches will do well to point to the msu week and game as future motivation of what happens when you do not keep your head to the grindstone.
Tough to swallow a beating like that but we knew going into this year that we will have WTF games and moments and we aren't going to be that good. The only way we move to a 6-6 or 7-5 is by busting arse all year long.
msu suffered from that last week in south alabama and it showed in their improvement last night. They followed through with fakes, they stayed aggressive, they took nothing for granted. Our guys looked lost, were constantly faked out, and did not respect msu as a solid team and we paid the price for it.
It's easy when you're winning, lets see if the coaches can refocus these guys going into the next game. That is the measurement and difference between good coaches and what we had last year.
Posted on 9/11/16 at 1:23 pm to Mr.Sinister
Orth is suited for a team like Bama where everything is in place around him. With the way our o line is we need a player like Mac that can roll out when protection breaks down and extend plays. We suffered more last night from stubborn coaches more than anything else as far as the offense. To be honest I believe that defense just got gassed last night.
Posted on 9/11/16 at 7:39 pm to Gcockboi
I agree that it is mostly on Orths ability. We tackled at a shitty level the 1st half but then improved the defense in tge 2ns half reulting in only allowing 3 pts.
The OL poorly executed yesterday as well. They know that and admitted it. I think we will see a different level of energy/focus from them going forward.
The OL poorly executed yesterday as well. They know that and admitted it. I think we will see a different level of energy/focus from them going forward.
Posted on 9/11/16 at 7:58 pm to CockInYourEar
I'm watching this game for the third time right now ... should have been a targeting call on Richie Robinson at 3 min mark of the 1st quarter but anyways, our OLine blew donkey slongs last night. I'd have been gun-shy too if I had taken as many pops as Orth took in that 1st quarter. Sheesh they were teeing-off on the poor kid. I counted six hard hits, one should have been called targeting - three sacks - good gosh he took more punishment in the 1st qtr than most QBs should have to take in an entire game.
Wish Fry would have hit that 55 yarder. Wish Samuel had not pulled up lame on the first post pattern.
Wish I could bang that gal in that Viagra commercial.
Man our OLine sucks.
Wish Fry would have hit that 55 yarder. Wish Samuel had not pulled up lame on the first post pattern.
Wish I could bang that gal in that Viagra commercial.
Man our OLine sucks.
Posted on 9/11/16 at 9:02 pm to Gcockboi
Orth really doesn't have a chance back there with the OLine he's having to play with and the lack of playmakers around him.
McIlwain just fits what Roper is trying to do better with the read option & QB run element of the offense, he's also mobile so he can mask or deal with the OLine deficiencies because he's so mobile.
McIlwain just fits what Roper is trying to do better with the read option & QB run element of the offense, he's also mobile so he can mask or deal with the OLine deficiencies because he's so mobile.
Posted on 9/11/16 at 11:29 pm to scrooster
Rooster I'm am coming into your corner on this one. I have always been middle of the road on Elliot as our Oline coach. We have absolutely regressed in our Oline dept and I know we are thin and have some injuries etc.. But why have we regressed? We have had the same Oline system and coach for awhile now.
I am starting to think that Elliot was kept on for 2 reasons. 1. He was probably the best choice to help transition the team into a completely new staff because he had a good foundation with all of the guys. 2. The guy WM wanted as Oline coach was not available or there were no other suitable options at the time.
I fully expect this to be Elliot's last season in Columbia. We can not develop our young skill positions with such an inability to gameplan against good rushers or give them enough time to view the field before having to run for their lives.
How on earth do you wait until your QB has been leveled 4 times before you decide to double team the oppositions best rusher is beyond me. Establishing the trenches is a must and it appears that Elliot is incapable of it.
I am starting to think that Elliot was kept on for 2 reasons. 1. He was probably the best choice to help transition the team into a completely new staff because he had a good foundation with all of the guys. 2. The guy WM wanted as Oline coach was not available or there were no other suitable options at the time.
I fully expect this to be Elliot's last season in Columbia. We can not develop our young skill positions with such an inability to gameplan against good rushers or give them enough time to view the field before having to run for their lives.
How on earth do you wait until your QB has been leveled 4 times before you decide to double team the oppositions best rusher is beyond me. Establishing the trenches is a must and it appears that Elliot is incapable of it.
Posted on 9/12/16 at 10:22 am to Cockopotamus
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This team has more issues than shitty QBs
O Line was garbage. Read Option didn't work because Orth can't run and O line can't block for the backs.
Orth cannot throw either. So many passes thrown off target.
Felt like I was watching A&M play us in 2014. So many arm tackles broken and players just blindly throwing themselves in for tackles. Embarrassing.
Posted on 9/12/16 at 1:34 pm to Mr.Sinister
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I am starting to think that Elliot was kept on for 2 reasons. 1. He was probably the best choice to help transition the team into a completely new staff because he had a good foundation with all of the guys. 2. The guy WM wanted as Oline coach was not available or there were no other suitable options at the time.
I can tell you exactly why Elliott was kept-on ... and it's not pretty.
1 - Because he is a master bullshitter.
2 - Because Muschamp could not find anyone better in a short period of time who had decent recruiting skills in this neck of the woods.
3 - He knows where a skeleton is buried.
4 - And finally, most importantly, Jeff Dillman played a key role in convincing Muschamp to keep him on board. Dillman, who is very close with Muschamp, and Elliott go way back to their App State days together.
5 - Elliott played the hometown-boy card and actually finagled it into a raise ... which left many of us shaking our heads in disbelief.
I do believe his days of back-stabbing and manipulation, in order to climb the ladder, are just about numbered though ... it's all about to catch-up with him this season it would appear. Some of the guys he used to work with on the old staff ... they'll be happy to see him eventually get his comeuppance.
Posted on 9/12/16 at 2:21 pm to scrooster
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3 - He knows where a skeleton is buried.
I have heard this, too. But I will be honest... I have no idea what the skeleton is being referred to.
Posted on 9/12/16 at 2:21 pm to scrooster
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He knows where a skeleton is buried.
Posted on 9/12/16 at 5:02 pm to RoyalAir
The first rule about bagman is that you dont talk about bagman.....
Posted on 9/12/16 at 6:53 pm to RoyalAir
If we have a bagman, he better be going to get some refunds judging by the talent on the field Saturday night.
Posted on 9/12/16 at 9:06 pm to KingSlayer
With Elliott it is ALWAYS someone else's fault. He's famous for it.
Posted on 9/12/16 at 10:06 pm to scrooster
Well at least I wasn't completely wrong.
Thanks for the info
Thanks for the info
Posted on 9/12/16 at 11:20 pm to Mr.Sinister
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Well at least I wasn't completely wrong.
No you were completely correct ... I just added the rest of the story.
It's about to catch up to him. He really back-doored some of the old staff and if we all stop and think about it, his highly rated recruits have been underdeveloped and most of his lower rated prospects have not really paid off.
He gets away with mediocrity and has for awhile now. What he does do is make friends with his players and keeps them loyal to him ... but there is some history there that I am not allowed to expound upon that could be construed as problematic.
The only real concerns I have had about the new staff have all been Elliott related:
1 - An unhealthy tie-in with Dillman.
2 - Muschamp praised him after watching film?
3 - Lance referred to them as "the real deal?"
4 - I was limited to one closed scrimmage this summer and came away totally unimpressed with the OLine.
5 - I've seen good OLine coaches work dating back to the Dietzel and Carlin years and even including Guge ... and Shawn Elliott is not doing it right. He's a screamer and all that, but he does not teach solid fundamentals IMHO. He does not teach them how to compete and win in the SEC trenches. They look the part until the ball is snapped. And oh, btw, Zandi was absolutely molested in Starkville ... and all the blame for that should lay on Elliott's shoulders. Along with the rest of that OLine shite show we saw Saturday.
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Posted on 9/13/16 at 11:12 am to CockInYourEar
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