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Posted on 12/2/15 at 8:24 am to
Posted by scrooster
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Posted on 12/2/15 at 8:24 am to
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What's taking so long if they've known it was going to be Riley?


"They've known" is a relative term. He didn't say "known," and neither did I. He said they had been in contact with him for a month.

My contact down in Charleston telling me a week ago "they've been talking to Riley for a month," is not the same as "they" who are going to be doing the hiring.

He assumed, and admitted so, that based upon what he was being told ... "they" are serious about Riley. Then he went on to fill me in on Riley's background. I was not familiar with Riley at the time and was more focused on the Herman who, I knew for a fact, was our number one candidate at the time followed by Kirby Smart. (I had found out that day that Fuente did not pass the vetting process.)

So I let the Riley mention go through one ear and out the other.

My buddy, who I'll call Bill, is 70 years old and fairly connected, still doing business, refuses to retire and golf with me more often ... but he's always been laid back so he didn't press his prediction with me. He just said they had reached-out to Riley and had been talking with him and then he went on to say things like "search firm" and "search committee" and so-on and so-forth (that's the "they" in all of this) ... I maybe should have listened better. We'll see.

If this does turn out to be the case then I was wrong to accuse Tanner of not being a very good chess player and not thinking-out all the moves well in advance.

If this turns out to be true and does come to pass then I should have known better knowing who Tanner had guiding him through this process.

I'm knocking on wood and keeping my fingers crossed because, if potentially landing Lincoln Riley doesn't excite our fan base ... nothing will.

We wanted a young, energetic, offensive-minded coach ... this would be the one. We wanted a guy who could recruit in the state of Texas ... this would be the one. We wanted a guy who could recruit in North Carolina ... this would be the one. We wanted a guy with a strong resume ... this would be the one.

ETA: But now, and this is important, we need to see if Tanner can close the deal. He needs to get this done in a hurry, close the deal, get whomever out on the road recruiting and assembling a staff. Time is of the essence at this stage in the game. Timing is absolutely imperative for us right now ... that cannot be stressed enough. Ray Tanner has got to prove that he can close the deal.
This post was edited on 12/2/15 at 8:39 am
Posted by jackmanusc
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Posted on 12/2/15 at 8:38 am to
Posted by Porter Osborne Jr
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Posted on 12/2/15 at 8:48 am to
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No one expected UGA to go into panic mode and fire Richt because we were closing in on Smart.


Except that's not what happened but ok.
Posted by Porter Osborne Jr
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Posted on 12/2/15 at 8:51 am to
Gotcha. I guess I was just expecting something this week if it was Riley since they don't have a conference championship game. He honestly scares me more at USC than Smart or Muschamp would if he's hired and gets a great DC.
Posted by scrooster
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Posted on 12/2/15 at 8:53 am to
Lincoln Riley LINK

Title Offensive Coordinator
Team Oklahoma
Conference Big 12
Biographical details
Born September 5, 1983 (age 32)
Lubbock, Texas
Alma mater Texas Tech
Playing career
2002 Texas Tech
Position(s) Quarterback
Coaching career (HC unless noted)
2003–2005 Texas Tech (SA)
2006 Texas Tech (Assistant)
2007 Texas Tech (WR)
2008-2009 Texas Tech (IWR)
2010–2013 East Carolina (OC/QB)
2014 East Carolina (AHC/OC/QB)
2015–present Oklahoma (OC/QB)


https://www.thestate.com/sports/college/university-of-south-carolina/usc-football/article47495635.html

https://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/14271200/south-carolina-gamecocks-plan-talk-oklahoma-sooners-oc-lincoln-riley-head-coaching-job


Posted by scrooster
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Posted on 12/2/15 at 9:01 am to
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... if he's hired and gets a great DC.


And that's my major governor right now, the one that's keeping me from really being excited. This whole process has worn me out.

"If" he's hired and "if" he hires a great DC ... two big "IFs."

He would need to assemble a great staff around him and we would have to be willing to really pony-up with the money.

He could probably keep G.A. Mangus and Joe Rob and do okay. G.A. could continue to work the N.E. and Midwest and Joe could help him in Texas.

So that would cover QB coach and ST coach.

He would need to find a great DC, a great DLine coach, a great LB coach and great DB coach.

I'm not sure how he would feel about Everette Sands, but Everette would be a guy he could, conceivably, keep and probably do well with him.

Riley would probably want to be hands-on with the WRs from what I understand, but he would still need to find a great recruiter to fill that position.

Then, there is finding a great OLine coach that would fit-in well with his offensive system.

I have no idea who he would find to fill all those positions, but I'm sure he already has some idea ... I can remember when I was 32. I was at my peak in the business world, always five steps ahead of the game and assembly a strong team around me. He's already thinking about it - he's already got people in mind and IF he gets the job I'm sure he'll interview the ones I mentioned above.

ETA: With regard to G.A. as a QB coach ... that's iffy. You wanna keep him for his recruiting, but at the same time this year was a failure in terms of his QB coaching prowess. But, as I've been told, he fought Spurrier over playing Dylan every down in 2014 instead wanting to get Mitch more playing time. And there is the claim that it was Spurrier who was so dead-set on signing Mitch - hindsight is 20-20. And I know for a fact that G.A. and Elliott had words after the Citadel game when Elliott chose to override G.A.'s play calling ... so those two cannot work together in the future, they are at odds, and that is putting it lightly. Just not sure about keeping G.A. Mangus on.
This post was edited on 12/2/15 at 9:06 am
Posted by RoyalAir
Detroit
Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 12/2/15 at 9:03 am to
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Except that's not what happened but ok.


Seriously? Do you honestly think that Richt is fired if Smart were already wrapped up at USC?

I understand it, but the likelihood of Smart coming to USC absolutely forced McGarity's hand.
Posted by scrooster
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Posted on 12/2/15 at 9:11 am to
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Except that's not what happened but ok.


That's from our perspective.

I do understand that Georgia was probably already thinking about Smart after the Mizzou game. Or at least that was the week I first heard about it from my Georgia buddy. Smart was the logical choice which is why I started questioning Tanner's chess playing ability when everyone felt like we were putting all of our eggs in the Herman or Smart baskets.

But you do have to admit that there had to be a sense of urgency on the part of Georgia once Spurrier retired mid-season and Smart was on the short list. Especially with all the talk about Herman going to LSU or Texas or even FSU at the time. Fuente, it was being circulated, was not going to pass the vetting process and no SEC school was going to touch him ... so it had basically become a Herman/Smart race from SCAR's perspective, and Georgia's powers-that-be had to recognize that fact. Smart was not going to be at Bama next year, one way or the other.
Posted by CayceCock13
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Posted on 12/2/15 at 9:36 am to
Think I'm in the same boat with CIYE as in I'm in the pro-Muschamp group.

Who'd I'd like since Herman/Smart are done:

Muschamp
Beamer
Riley
Pruitt
Elliott

Just feel like Muschamp would be relentless on the recruiting trail and bring our recruiting to the next level. Really good defenses at Florida & seemed to have found his OC in Roper in his final year at Florida. Roper has also gotten some major props from Connor Shaw "thinks very highly of Roper and told someone recently that he is the best coach he has ever been around." QB situation would probably be better than he ever had at Florida with Nunez & Mcilwain having a lot of potential.

Regardless, whoever Tanner hires I'll be on board and supportive/excited about the new face of the program as we needed a new one desperately with how Spurrier's last 2 seasons went. Think the only person I'd be discouraged about hiring is Elliott, you can't have a guy that lost to The Citadel be your head coach, sorry.
Posted by scrooster
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Posted on 12/2/15 at 9:55 am to
Muschamp can coach D, and he can recruit evidently, but here's what worries me about Muschamp.

1 - He seems a bit unhinged at times. And that's super fine for a Coordinator, but not-so-much for a HC.

2 - His recruiting ... how will it translate here at SC?

3 - Would he be able to assemble a great staff to surround him?

4 - He's got history ... and it's not necessarily a positive history in some respects. You can bet others in this region would use that to recruit negatively against him.

5 - ... and this may be my biggest drawback where Muschamp is concerned. He had a chance to join us last season. We tried to hire him. He chose Auburn. I'm not holding that against him but it's like a girlfriend who dumps you for another guy, then comes back later because she realizes she screwed-up. I don't let her come back because I know she's had someone else's dick in her OR, worse yet, the other guy realized how fricked-up she was and ran her off and now she's running back to me to console her until she thinks she's found something better somewhere else once again. We all know the type and have been there. That's the way I feel about Muschamp. I wish him well, I enjoy his antics from afar, but I am not sold on him being the right head coach for the job here at SC knowing his personality could be just as destructive as it could be creative and successful. He's just too much of a gamble for me personally. But hey, if he's hired, I'll be pulling for him big time ... in a reserved sort of way. Like adopting a dog from the pound and hoping it turns out to be a good adoption rather than one that will bite me down the road. Muschamp does not have a lot of credits in his basket in my mind. Not a lot of endearing qualities.
This post was edited on 12/2/15 at 9:58 am
Posted by UpstateCock2007
Columbia, SC
Member since Mar 2009
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Posted on 12/2/15 at 10:01 am to
I would rather have:
1. Beamer - great pedigree, can recruit, experience in different programs.
2. Riley - young, hungry, brilliant offensive mind.

Give me one of those two guys, and lets bring on Pruitt or another proven DC, and I think that spells success.
Posted by CockInYourEar
Charlotte
Member since Sep 2012
22458 posts
Posted on 12/2/15 at 10:10 am to
quote:

I would rather have:
1. Beamer - great pedigree, can recruit, experience in different programs.
2. Riley - young, hungry, brilliant offensive mind.

Give me one of those two guys, and lets bring on Pruitt or another proven DC, and I think that spells success.



Beamer was a great recruiter for us, but he didn't do anything of note at Va Tech. I can't take him as a serious candidate.

Riley is a Leach disciple. He's a great OC, like Herman, but 1 year of P5 experience. He's never proven to be an elite recruiter either.

If Pruitt isn't retained at uga, then expect him to get a look at the bama or auburn DC opening. If he is offered bama's DC over Mel Tucker, he'll take that. If it's b/w auburn and SC, I would think he'll go to auburn b/c at least their talent level is higher, unless we throw in some AHC tag and offer maybe a little more $ than auburn.

Posted by CayceCock13
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Member since Oct 2012
17553 posts
Posted on 12/2/15 at 10:20 am to
Potential Elliott staff via Tony Morrell on TBS:

quote:

Ellis Johnson
Brad Lawing (Florida State) or another highly thought of DL coach
Shane Beamer ( Virginia Tech)
Stacy Searels (Virginia Tech)
Lance Taylor (Stanford)
Lonnie Galloway (West Virginia)
Jay Graham (Florida State)
Craig Fitzgerald (Houston Texans)
Marcus Lattimore (prominent off the field role)


Not bad, but still do not want Elliott.
Posted by jackmanusc
Columbia, SC
Member since Apr 2012
3948 posts
Posted on 12/2/15 at 10:40 am to
That reeks of recycling old staff to recreate success. Bama tried that for years
Posted by Porter Osborne Jr
Member since Sep 2012
43544 posts
Posted on 12/2/15 at 10:54 am to
You would hate Searels. He's a great guy but a terrible coach. Or at least he was at UGA.
Posted by Bluefin
The Banana Stand
Member since Apr 2011
13467 posts
Posted on 12/2/15 at 10:58 am to
Beamer has apparently been tied to the Eastern Kentucky HC position, and is very close friends with Kirby Smart. Not sure how we'd be able to retain his services unless it's for an OC role at least.

And that staff that TBS is reporting is just more of the same that we've had. We need new blood in our program.
Posted by lungbuster06
Member since Dec 2014
738 posts
Posted on 12/2/15 at 11:09 am to
I say bring on Riley and let him do his thing. He's going to make a helluva coach and I believe we'll regret passing on him if we do.
Posted by wt9
Savannah, Ga
Member since Nov 2011
1123 posts
Posted on 12/2/15 at 11:20 am to
WhoTF is Larry Williams, he tweeted that we have reached out to Jeff Scott to gage interest in being OC under Mushchamp. Got to be a Troll. WhatTF. This is getting out of hand. I see no reason why they can't announce a HC unless that coach is in a championship game. None of the names being thrown around fall into this category. I hope this is going to be a shock (good) the world event.
Posted by Porter Osborne Jr
Member since Sep 2012
43544 posts
Posted on 12/2/15 at 11:20 am to
quote:

That's from our perspective.


Ah, that makes a little more sense. I had heard Richt was out and Kirby was in before I was reading Kirby was a front runner for USC.
Posted by TigerCruise
Virginia Beach, VA
Member since Oct 2013
11898 posts
Posted on 12/2/15 at 11:30 am to
Why is SC not chasing after Fedora?
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