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Posted on 12/1/15 at 9:04 pm to Carolina_Girl
Posted on 12/1/15 at 9:04 pm to Carolina_Girl
If it's Muschamp I want ray's head on a platter.
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Posted on 12/1/15 at 9:18 pm to TiptonInSC
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Tanner killed his legacy.....
Along with the Gamecock football program...and he crushed the souls of Gamecock Nation.
Only small sliver of hope I see are reports coming in that Smart plans on taking Muschamp with him to UGA as DC.
ETA: And now there are reports circulating that we're trying to lure Orgeron back to USC from LSU as DC. WTF are we doing?!?!?!!?!?!?!?!
All these assistant rumors about us but no HC?
How does that even make any fricking sense?
This post was edited on 12/1/15 at 9:20 pm
Posted on 12/1/15 at 9:19 pm to mikeboss550
It's gonna be Muschamp.......unless Herman (and UH) realizes he just lost all his options, and he backs out of it with them. It might be too late for him to do that now though, unless this was all planned from the get go. Muschamp will have a formal offer tomorrow and we'll go from there.
Posted on 12/1/15 at 9:22 pm to Carolina_Girl
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Along with the Gamecock football program...and he crushed the souls of Gamecock Nation.
Why?
Muschamp is a phenom recruiter. He assembled a great Def Coaching staff. He failed at bringing in OC's though, although Roper had them going in the right direction but it was too little too late.
Muschamp checks all the boxes:
young
elite recruiter
staff builder
experience
championship level experience
Many of us were looking for him to come in last year as a HCIW/DC.... it didn't happen.
We have a lot of talent on defense right now, but we've just had complete shite level coaching at DL and DB. He'll be able to fix that this spring/summer and he knows recruiting in the SouthEast extremely well. He'll hopefully get Brad Lawing back as our DL Coach.
He's a better option than Fedora, Chiz, Riley, or any of the 30 other remaining candidates who said they were interested.
This post was edited on 12/1/15 at 9:25 pm
Posted on 12/1/15 at 9:22 pm to CockInYourEar
I hope to God the rumors are true about Smart taking him to UGA with him as DC.
Can I just say again...THIS IS frickING RIDICULOUS!
Can I just say again...THIS IS frickING RIDICULOUS!
Posted on 12/1/15 at 9:25 pm to CockInYourEar
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experience
That experience at HC was pretty bad.
Posted on 12/1/15 at 9:35 pm to Carolina_Girl
Imo it will be boom or Pruitt with Shane coming back in some capacity.
Either way there should be solid recruiting and a stout defense ahead. Our 3 best years in school history were predicated on defense. If we can hire an offensive coordinator worth a crap we should do just fine.
Either way there should be solid recruiting and a stout defense ahead. Our 3 best years in school history were predicated on defense. If we can hire an offensive coordinator worth a crap we should do just fine.
Posted on 12/1/15 at 9:36 pm to CockInYourEar
What about the reports that Smart is taking him to UGA as DC?
I don't get why he'd prefer another DC position as opposed to HC...and I'm afraid I don't have the same confidence in him as you do...but it's getting to the point where we really don't have many options.
I don't get why he'd prefer another DC position as opposed to HC...and I'm afraid I don't have the same confidence in him as you do...but it's getting to the point where we really don't have many options.
Posted on 12/1/15 at 9:37 pm to theGarnetWay
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That experience at HC was pretty bad.
He also had 3 different OCs and Jeff Driskel as his QB all 4 years.
Obviously I'm on board the Shane Beamer pain train but if Muschamp can keep refrain from getting 15 yard penalties from the refs I won't be upset.
Posted on 12/1/15 at 9:38 pm to CockInYourEar
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He's a better option than Fedora, Chiz, Riley, or any of the 30 other remaining candidates who said they were interested
I disagree. Hiring Muschamp will further deflate morale among the fans, maybe even the players. How quick are we to forget what a failure his tenure at UF was? He walked into a mess, sure, but it was a mess full of 4 and 5 star recruits, with far more resources than he'll have at SC. It was a better mess than our current situation. And that is what is scary.
Are we to expect that he has learned what he did wrong in the little over a year since he's been fired? Since he's been a DC at Auburn, they've actually gotten worse. Hell, there's no way our players have forgotten that he was fired AFTER WE BEAT HIM.
At the beginning of this search, I didn't even think about guys like Pruitt or Riley, but I definitely didn't think about Muschamp, mainly because I thought we'd be out of our minds to even consider it.
I know I should try to look at the positives here, but I'm really having trouble finding them. Pruitt or Riley is the way to go, but in typical SC fashion, we're heading the other direction.
/rant
Posted on 12/1/15 at 9:39 pm to Carolina_Girl
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What about the reports that Smart is taking him to UGA as DC?
I don't get why he'd prefer another DC position as opposed to HC
He wouldn't. Smart probably wants Muschamp but if we offer him the HC job he'll come here and Smart will stick with Pruitt
Posted on 12/1/15 at 9:42 pm to Bluefin
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How quick are we to forget what a failure his tenure at UF was? He walked into a mess, sure, but it was a mess full of 4 and 5 star recruits
One of his first moves was to dismiss a bunch of those 4 and 5 stars from the team.
If we don't block a FG and punt in the last 3 mins of our game with them last year its very likely that Muschamp isn't fired and he is coaching in Atlanta on Saturday.
Posted on 12/1/15 at 9:43 pm to Cockopotamus
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If we don't block a FG and punt in the last 3 mins of our game with them last year its very likely that Muschamp isn't fired and he is coaching in Atlanta on Saturday.
That's very optimistic.
Posted on 12/1/15 at 9:46 pm to Bluefin
I'm hopping on the Beamer train.
Posted on 12/1/15 at 9:46 pm to Bluefin
If Muschamp brings in a legit OC you guys will be pretty good.
Posted on 12/1/15 at 9:56 pm to Bluefin
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disagree. Hiring Muschamp will further deflate morale among the fans, maybe even the players. How quick are we to forget what a failure his tenure at UF was? He walked into a mess, sure, but it was a mess full of 4 and 5 star recruits, with far more resources than he'll have at SC.
This isn't my info, I'm copying it from another site, but I completely agree with what the guy wrote:
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Will Muschamp is a great football coach. He walked into a less than ideal situation at Florida. He had to kick off 23 players. Suffered through an inordinate amount of injuries, especially in year three .
If you think about it, four years ago, Will Muschamp was Tom Herman and Kirby Smart on steroids. He was coach in waiting at Texas, turned down Tennesee, then was offered Florida.
What you get with Muschamp is a ferocious coach and recruiter, who is the best in the business at flipping recruits. A guy that will hire a staff familiar with the SEC footprint that will,be able to hit the ground running. (I add this, he had 3 Top10 Recruiting Classes and 2 Top 5 recruiting classes. He is one of the best in the business at flipping recruits.)
Muschamp has Four years head coaching experience in the SEC. He was not a loser. He had a 28-21 record, with one sure win rained out. His 4-8 season was marred by a horrific amount of injuries.
Obviously the biggest knock on Muschamp was his offense and lack of great QB play. Let's examine that.
Jeremy Foley forced Will Muschamp to hire Charlie Weis and hi OL coach. Weis was a disaster. He tried to implement an NFL system. It was far too complicated to master in the time permitted with college athletes.
Muschamp finally got it right with Kurt Roper, whom I have been told by a longtime SEC assistant coach is one of the most brilliant minds in college football. I was told it's not fair to judge him on his one season at Florida. Driskell suffered from anxiety attacks and they were forced to play a true freshman, who just wasn't ready.
He runs a multiple system, and it's very difficult to defend. Look at his 6 years at Duke. They broke HBC's offensive records at Duke.
I would also remind you that Roper was one of Brandon McIlwains favorite recruiters.
Defensively, Muschamp will have one of the best staffs in the SEC.
Muschamp is not a Hall of Fame coach. He has no laurels to rest upon. He's highly motivated to make am eds for what happened at Florida and I have no doubt he will learn from the mistakes he made and will be better the second time around. He has already faced a lot of adversity as a head coach. He doesn't have to go through that for the 1st time at South Carolina like a Kirby Smart would.
I was told he is more organized and pays more attention to detail than Nick Saban. That is from someone I know who has worked for both.
Look for Jeff Dillman to be head of strength and conditioning. I was told he is better than Fitz. Mike Summers or Stacey Searles as OL coach. I think Bobby Bentley will be on the offensive staff, as they will incorporate a good bit of what Auburn does best on offense.
I wouldn't look for anyone on staff or admin. Staff to be retained. I think a purging is in order.
For the first time in the 21st Century Carolina will recruit and have a support staff like the big boys. Carolina will have a full time head coach for the 1st time in the 21st Century. A very highly motivated head coach.
Recruiting will be fun in January for the first time in years.
Posted on 12/1/15 at 9:56 pm to Cockopotamus
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He also had 3 different OCs and Jeff Driskel as his QB all 4 years.
And whose responsibility is that? To land the right OCs and recruit the right QBs?
Posted on 12/1/15 at 9:59 pm to Porter Osborne Jr
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If Muschamp brings in a legit OC you guys will be pretty good.
I tend to agree ... Muschamp may be custom made for us if he assembles the right staff and can do the recruiting.
I'm worried about the recruiting though.
Oh, and then there is Dino Babers ... LINK
I'm about to get drunk I think.
Posted on 12/1/15 at 10:00 pm to theGarnetWay
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And whose responsibility is that? To land the right OCs and recruit the right QBs?
He failed on the first 2, but you he was right on the 3rd, Roper. Weiss sucked, he was failing out of coaching and too fat to recruit and be active. Brent Pease came in and wasn't ready for the defense in the SEC coming from Boise St.
Posted on 12/1/15 at 10:02 pm to theGarnetWay
Yep.
I don't care how much lipstick you put on a pig....it's still a damned pig.
I don't care for Muschamp and nothing is going to sway that. Opinions and perceptions here are based on his prior HC experience..which was a complete and total disaster no matter how you dress it up.
I don't care how much lipstick you put on a pig....it's still a damned pig.
I don't care for Muschamp and nothing is going to sway that. Opinions and perceptions here are based on his prior HC experience..which was a complete and total disaster no matter how you dress it up.
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