re: I wanted to post this on the Florida board and not tRant.

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I completely disagree these are not kids. I'm not saying they are Mature adults and I'm sure most of them are really good guys. I'm not sure where you act like I said they are all scum or whatever you are insinuating that I never said.

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I didn't insinuate that at all. I told you that you were wrong with all this chest thumping about how they are men. Based on what? It's just a back-in-my-dayism completely divorced from reality.

By the legal definition of what an adult is, yes, if they shoot someone, they get tried as an adult. But practically, a college student, particularly the first couple of years, is far, far closer to still being a teen than even having the same maturity of a 25-year-old.

If you think a 21-year-old is substantively different than a 17-year-old and has been at least since the Baby Boomer generation, good luck with that. You know why they continually disappoint you? Because you continue to hold them to some made up standard.

Nothing magical happens the day the government says you're 18 except I guess you can buy smokes. At 21 you can buy beer.

Plus, a great many of these athletes have been in a bubble since the day they showed some talent. They've been playing fantasy draft for years and surrounded by people reinforcing that notion. They go from high school to a complete bubble in college. Their classes, meals, and tutors are all picked for them.

But please, continue with the fantasy that there is a serious difference in cognitive development between your average high school senior and college sophomore. If you're lucky, some of them may actually start getting some sort of perspective by the time they are seniors, but even that isn't guaranteed.

But keep stamping around about how they are 20 or 21 and so they are different by god because their driver's license says so! And be prepared to continue getting disappointed when they continue to act like a bunch or dumb 20-somethings who have a legal distinction that their brain still hasn't gotten to yet.

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He said college adults not mature adults.

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What's the point of the distinction. Are we quibbling over semantics, or are we talking about actual behavioral differences? The point isn't the adjective before the word "adult."

If you want to special plead into a special class of adult who still tends to act like a kid, fine. That's a bit of missing the substance whilst grasping for the shadow in my opinion.

If we want to use "college adult" as a euphemism for "immature," Fine, they're college adults, very immature college adults who prone to act way more like they are 15 than 25 pretty damn often.