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Posted on 8/6/21 at 3:23 am to BigBro
Posted on 8/6/21 at 3:23 am to BigBro
UT has 2 football NCs - '51 & '98. Round here count wire service (AP, UP/Coaches) NCs from the beginning of the AP in 1935, otherwise you have programs like Bama who have been selected by someone in 30+ years (many of the non wire service ones are a joke), OU could claim far more than 7, UTx more than 4, OM could claim 3, etc. That's why Bama has only 17, 13 since 1935. 1941 is a fraud, don't know why the UofA continues to claim it.
OM, Ark and UK have zero, UGA has one, the others are legit wire service NCs. Prior to 1935 is more nebulous.
For those interested, Alabama has 2 undefeated, untied seasons (10-0, 11-0) where they beat USC in the Rose Bowl (1945 season) and Neb in the Sugar (1966) but they do not claim a NC even though there was a selector(s) who chose them but not a wire service (winners were Army in '45 and ND in '66). In 66 Bama was 2 time defending NC.
OM, Ark and UK have zero, UGA has one, the others are legit wire service NCs. Prior to 1935 is more nebulous.
For those interested, Alabama has 2 undefeated, untied seasons (10-0, 11-0) where they beat USC in the Rose Bowl (1945 season) and Neb in the Sugar (1966) but they do not claim a NC even though there was a selector(s) who chose them but not a wire service (winners were Army in '45 and ND in '66). In 66 Bama was 2 time defending NC.
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Posted on 8/6/21 at 6:32 pm to tattoo
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OM, Ark and UK have zero
NCAA recognizes one of Ole Miss’ three claimed national championships in football.
Posted on 8/6/21 at 7:06 pm to tattoo
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OM, Ark and UK have zero, UGA has one, the others are legit wire service NCs. Prior to 1935 is more nebulous.
indeed
If you let those go there are about a dozen more to claim across the conference with equal validity.
there are rules
Posted on 8/6/21 at 9:44 pm to tattoo
Take a look at General Neyland teams at UT and you will see multiple undefeated seasons where UT didn’t claim a natty. 1938-1940 they didn’t lose and in 1939 they outscored there opponents 212-0. In 216 coached, there was 109 games where the other team didn’t score. As you will see below not only should UT claim more, but the General was one of the best coaches of all time.
Neyland finished his Tennessee coaching career with 173 wins, 31 losses and 12 ties, for an .829 winning percentage.
When he retired from coaching after the 1952 season, Neyland ranked first on the all-time winning percentage list of any man in modern major college football history with at least 20 years in the business.
Neyland preached readiness, maintaining that, "Almost all close games are lost by the losers, not won by the winners."
Of his 216 games coached, the Vols shut out their opponents 109 times.
From 1938 to 1940, his teams recorded an amazing 17 consecutive regular season shutouts.
In the 1939 regular season, Tennessee outscored its opposition 212-0. The Vols are the last major college football program to shut out every regular season opponent.
Neyland coached the Vols to six undefeated seasons, nine undefeated regular seasons, seven conference championships and four national championships.
He reeled off undefeated streaks of 33, 28, 23, 19 and 14 games.
Neyland coached 21 Vols to first-team All-America honors. Eleven of those players went on to the College Football Hall of Fame.
At one time, more than 175 former Neyland players were active head coaches in the United States and Canada.
Neyland's starting assistant coaching salary at UT in his first year of 1925 was $750. Factor inflation and that translates to approximately $9,757 in
Neyland was a superb student-athlete. He won 35 games (20 consecutive) pitching for Army.
In his first outing, Neyland struck out 12 in beating NYU, 2-1. Later in front of a crowd of 15,000, Neyland was the pitching and hitting star in Army's 2-1 win over Navy. His outstanding performance excused Neyland from "hell-week" activities normally assigned to West Point plebes.
During a 1915 game against Syracuse, Army trailed by one and had a runner at third with one out. Strang decided to replace Bradley, a .385 hitter, with Neyland, who promptly grounded to third and the runner was thrown out at home. Neyland then was picked off first for the final out. Afterward, Bradley confronted Neyland and said, "Well I think I could have done as good as that." Neyland replied, "Well Brad, it wasn't my idea in the first place."
Neyland graduated from the Academy in 1916.
He was recruited to play professional baseball by the New York Giants, Detroit Tigers and Philadelphia Athletics, but instead went to World War I as soon as he graduated and served in France.
Neyland later served on the U.S.-Mexican border in pursuit of Pancho Villa.
The new assistant Neyland made his presence felt that first UT season of 1925 when he filled in one game for head coach M.B. Banks, who was sick. Neyland led the Vols to a 12-7 home win over Georgia. Newspapers proclaimed it the biggest upset of the year in the South. Banks left that December for the head coaching job at Knoxville Central High School, and Neyland was promoted to Tennessee head coach.
Neyland came to UT as a U.S. Army captain. On Sept. 20, 1926, six days before his first game as a college head coach, Neyland was promoted to the grade of Major in the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers.
Before Neyland, 10 head football coaches had been hired and fired at Tennessee between 1900 and 1925, their principal failing being the inability to field teams that could beat Vanderbilt.
UT Dean Nathan W. Dougherty made the final decision to promote Neyland, telling his new coach to "even the score with Vanderbilt." He did just that and more.
The Commodores led 17-2-2 in the series against Tennessee when Neyland took charge. Vandy won 20-3 in Nashville that first year against Neyland, but the Vols are 71-9-3 against their state rival since 1927.
In Neyland's first four seasons as Tennessee head coach, UT was 34-1-3. Over his first seven seasons, the Vols were 61-2-5.
Neyland was a voracious reader while learning the game of football. Among his favorite authors (and their books) were Pop Warner (A Course in Football for Players and Coaches), John Heisman and Grantland Rice (Principles of Football; and Understanding Football), Walter Camp (The Spalding Guide) and Knute Rockne (Coaching; and Coaching, the Way of the Winner).
Neyland was the first coach in the South to use press box-to-sideline phones. He was the first anywhere to use game films for evaluation, lightweight tear-away jerseys, low-top shoes and lightweight hip pads to enhance speed. He also came up with a canvas tarp to protect the field.
Neyland developed 38 "team maxims" from different sources over the years that he referenced from time to time. The seven Game Maxims still used by Tennessee teams today were his favorites.
Twice Neyland's UT coaching career was interrupted by military service. He served in 1935 at the Panama Canal Zone, and then during the Second World War from 1941-45.
He was recalled to active duty in advance of World War II in May 1941, to Norfolk, Va. While stationed there, Neyland was promoted first to lieutenant colonel and then, in July 1942, to full colonel. Later commands during the war years took him to Dallas; Kunming, China; and Calcutta (now Kolkata), India. Neyland received his final promotion to brigadier general on Nov. 10, 1944, when he was transferred to India.
His highest salary as head coach was believed to be $20,000, or approximately $204,182 in 2012 dollars.
Hall of fame broadcaster Lindsey Nelson and Knoxville ad executive Edwin Huster Sr., helped form UT's first radio network. Nelson thought it should be called the Volunteer Network and approached Neyland with his idea. Neyland had the ultimate veto power and said, "Let's call it the Vol Network." Nelson immediately replied, "Yes, sir. Let's call it the Vol Network."
Neyland offered his opinions throughout the athletics department. Those comments reportedly included advice for groundskeeper John "Dean" Hoskins about the shape of the football playing surface. One such critique came during a year in which the Vols were struggling to score.
At the Neyland Testimonial Dinner, held Aug. 18, 1953, to celebrate the end of his coaching career, Neyland concluded his speech with the words of his former chief, Gen. MacArthur, saying they applied to every campus where football is played: "There on the fields of friendly strife are sown the seeds which on other days will yield the fruits of victory."
President Eisenhower also was a classmate and teammate of Neyland's at West Point.
Neyland served as chair of the NCAA Football Rules Committee from the mid-1950s until his death.
Neyland was inducted to the College Football Hall of Fame in 1956.
The Neyland Statue was dedicated Nov. 12, 2010. The 9-foot-tall, nearly 1,500-pound bronze memorial sits between gates 15A and 17 on the west side of Neyland Stadium.
Hall of famer Bear Bryant never defeated a Neyland-coached team, and was said to have muttered at Neyland's retirement banquet, "Thank God the old guy finally quit."
Neyland finished his Tennessee coaching career with 173 wins, 31 losses and 12 ties, for an .829 winning percentage.
When he retired from coaching after the 1952 season, Neyland ranked first on the all-time winning percentage list of any man in modern major college football history with at least 20 years in the business.
Neyland preached readiness, maintaining that, "Almost all close games are lost by the losers, not won by the winners."
Of his 216 games coached, the Vols shut out their opponents 109 times.
From 1938 to 1940, his teams recorded an amazing 17 consecutive regular season shutouts.
In the 1939 regular season, Tennessee outscored its opposition 212-0. The Vols are the last major college football program to shut out every regular season opponent.
Neyland coached the Vols to six undefeated seasons, nine undefeated regular seasons, seven conference championships and four national championships.
He reeled off undefeated streaks of 33, 28, 23, 19 and 14 games.
Neyland coached 21 Vols to first-team All-America honors. Eleven of those players went on to the College Football Hall of Fame.
At one time, more than 175 former Neyland players were active head coaches in the United States and Canada.
Neyland's starting assistant coaching salary at UT in his first year of 1925 was $750. Factor inflation and that translates to approximately $9,757 in
Neyland was a superb student-athlete. He won 35 games (20 consecutive) pitching for Army.
In his first outing, Neyland struck out 12 in beating NYU, 2-1. Later in front of a crowd of 15,000, Neyland was the pitching and hitting star in Army's 2-1 win over Navy. His outstanding performance excused Neyland from "hell-week" activities normally assigned to West Point plebes.
During a 1915 game against Syracuse, Army trailed by one and had a runner at third with one out. Strang decided to replace Bradley, a .385 hitter, with Neyland, who promptly grounded to third and the runner was thrown out at home. Neyland then was picked off first for the final out. Afterward, Bradley confronted Neyland and said, "Well I think I could have done as good as that." Neyland replied, "Well Brad, it wasn't my idea in the first place."
Neyland graduated from the Academy in 1916.
He was recruited to play professional baseball by the New York Giants, Detroit Tigers and Philadelphia Athletics, but instead went to World War I as soon as he graduated and served in France.
Neyland later served on the U.S.-Mexican border in pursuit of Pancho Villa.
The new assistant Neyland made his presence felt that first UT season of 1925 when he filled in one game for head coach M.B. Banks, who was sick. Neyland led the Vols to a 12-7 home win over Georgia. Newspapers proclaimed it the biggest upset of the year in the South. Banks left that December for the head coaching job at Knoxville Central High School, and Neyland was promoted to Tennessee head coach.
Neyland came to UT as a U.S. Army captain. On Sept. 20, 1926, six days before his first game as a college head coach, Neyland was promoted to the grade of Major in the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers.
Before Neyland, 10 head football coaches had been hired and fired at Tennessee between 1900 and 1925, their principal failing being the inability to field teams that could beat Vanderbilt.
UT Dean Nathan W. Dougherty made the final decision to promote Neyland, telling his new coach to "even the score with Vanderbilt." He did just that and more.
The Commodores led 17-2-2 in the series against Tennessee when Neyland took charge. Vandy won 20-3 in Nashville that first year against Neyland, but the Vols are 71-9-3 against their state rival since 1927.
In Neyland's first four seasons as Tennessee head coach, UT was 34-1-3. Over his first seven seasons, the Vols were 61-2-5.
Neyland was a voracious reader while learning the game of football. Among his favorite authors (and their books) were Pop Warner (A Course in Football for Players and Coaches), John Heisman and Grantland Rice (Principles of Football; and Understanding Football), Walter Camp (The Spalding Guide) and Knute Rockne (Coaching; and Coaching, the Way of the Winner).
Neyland was the first coach in the South to use press box-to-sideline phones. He was the first anywhere to use game films for evaluation, lightweight tear-away jerseys, low-top shoes and lightweight hip pads to enhance speed. He also came up with a canvas tarp to protect the field.
Neyland developed 38 "team maxims" from different sources over the years that he referenced from time to time. The seven Game Maxims still used by Tennessee teams today were his favorites.
Twice Neyland's UT coaching career was interrupted by military service. He served in 1935 at the Panama Canal Zone, and then during the Second World War from 1941-45.
He was recalled to active duty in advance of World War II in May 1941, to Norfolk, Va. While stationed there, Neyland was promoted first to lieutenant colonel and then, in July 1942, to full colonel. Later commands during the war years took him to Dallas; Kunming, China; and Calcutta (now Kolkata), India. Neyland received his final promotion to brigadier general on Nov. 10, 1944, when he was transferred to India.
His highest salary as head coach was believed to be $20,000, or approximately $204,182 in 2012 dollars.
Hall of fame broadcaster Lindsey Nelson and Knoxville ad executive Edwin Huster Sr., helped form UT's first radio network. Nelson thought it should be called the Volunteer Network and approached Neyland with his idea. Neyland had the ultimate veto power and said, "Let's call it the Vol Network." Nelson immediately replied, "Yes, sir. Let's call it the Vol Network."
Neyland offered his opinions throughout the athletics department. Those comments reportedly included advice for groundskeeper John "Dean" Hoskins about the shape of the football playing surface. One such critique came during a year in which the Vols were struggling to score.
At the Neyland Testimonial Dinner, held Aug. 18, 1953, to celebrate the end of his coaching career, Neyland concluded his speech with the words of his former chief, Gen. MacArthur, saying they applied to every campus where football is played: "There on the fields of friendly strife are sown the seeds which on other days will yield the fruits of victory."
President Eisenhower also was a classmate and teammate of Neyland's at West Point.
Neyland served as chair of the NCAA Football Rules Committee from the mid-1950s until his death.
Neyland was inducted to the College Football Hall of Fame in 1956.
The Neyland Statue was dedicated Nov. 12, 2010. The 9-foot-tall, nearly 1,500-pound bronze memorial sits between gates 15A and 17 on the west side of Neyland Stadium.
Hall of famer Bear Bryant never defeated a Neyland-coached team, and was said to have muttered at Neyland's retirement banquet, "Thank God the old guy finally quit."
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